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brickies · Guru

RE: Same sex marriage in New Zealand

Rip and Rosie · Guru

Ontos45 wrote:
.................................................just sick of the majority having to roll-over every time someone feels they are discriminated against.

"roll-over" ?

How exactly are you, or anyone else,going to have to do anything in relation to 2 same sex people making a legal committment to each other?

Will they impact on you, or your bank balance, or your church, or your job, or your family?

Will they send you the bill?

Will the sun not rise tomorrow, or your children not give cheek, or will you break out in pimples?

How exactly will you "roll over"?

-- Edited by Rip and Rosie on Saturday 20th of April 2013 08:33:15 PM

jules47 · The Happy Helper

I think the words "civil union" are very cllinical and almost business like, whereas "marriage" is a commitment to another person, and very personal. Whether you are heterosexual or homosexual, the marriage ceremony is a celebration of a loving union.

My opinion for what it is worth.

Congratulations to NZ for their stand on the issue. The PM's very funny speech said it all!!!!

GaryKelly · Guru

Anyone who believes that same sex marriage is a gay issue should read the comments on this thread, especially Rip and Rosie's. After reading R&R's comments, it suddenly dawned on me that same sex marriage is not just a gay issue at all, it's a people's issue. And that means all people regardless of sexuality. Good onya R&R for making your points so well and so convincingly. It's been quite an eye-opener for me today.

It was interesting to hear Premier Barry O'Farrell's comments last night. He's listened to the arguments and is now a supporter of same sex marriage. I haven't mentioned it before, but I put together a short video on the subject last year.

Beth54 · Guru

I'm so glad you brought this subject up Gary.

I had seen the video of the announcement and the singing afterwards, and was very moved by it. Watching this video was the cream on top! Mr Williams was not only funny, but abso-bloody-lutely correct in say it's about two people who love each other wanting to be married.

I have a 'claytons' niece and 2 'claytons' nephews who are gay. It was obvious with these three young people from a young age, but when my 'real' niece, my sisters daughter, 'came out' last year, it was a mighty revelation to all of us. Not even her parents had an inkling. And the reason she came out was that she'd fallen head over heals in love with a lovely young woman who she intends to marry later this year. Of course it won't be legal here, so maybe they will now take to a trip across the ditch to get hitched. biggrin

And I must say it's wonderful to see her, them so happy.

vk6tnc · Guru

Take a trip across the ditch and get yourself hitched.

Sounds like the start of a successful advertising campaign....

Beth54 · Guru

vk6tnc wrote:
Take a trip across the ditch and get yourself hitched.

Sounds like the start of a successful advertising campaign....

I must confess, I stole it from a letter to the editor in the Brisbane Courier Mail yesterday. wink biggrin

Ontos45 · Guru

It just seems to me....that the majority are bending over-back wards to satisfy every vocal minority.....the squeaky wheel gets the most grease.
They, the gay people can have anything they want up to taking over the last bastion of a male and female....marriage.
This just my opinion, nothing to do with religion...far from it, just sick of the majority having to roll-over every time someone feels they are discriminated against.

BohemianGypsy · Guru

I'm not "rolling over" at all. I think it is a wonderful thing that all human beings should embrace. It is not a case of us against them we all belong to the human race. I am so sick and tired of people wanting to segregate the community into sub sections or similar. Marriage is just that . . . two "people" making a lifelong commitment to love and cherish each other in sickness and in health for the rest of their natural lives. I would put money on it that the gay community actually mean what they say when they marry and make their vows and don't often divorce but two hetrosexual people quite often divorce after only a few years of marriage. Marriage doesn't mean what it used to mean to hetrosexuals, it is so very easy to marry and then when you have had enough to get divorced. I have not heard of two gay people divorcing yet. . .anywhere in the world that is because they consider it a gift to marry their soul mate and don't abuse the privilege which I think is fantastic. I think people in general should be allowed to follow their bliss whatever that means whether is means same sex marriage or not.

Michelle

brickies · Guru

Scared of the unknown , If you live long enough one of your grand children or great grand children may be Gay would you turn your back on them hope not

Beth54 · Guru

Well said Rosie & Michelle.

Beth54 · Guru

And remember, they don't choose to be gay. Most of them go through hell as teens when they realise. And that's mainly because of other peoples ignorance.

EllenajoeL · Senior Member

One day (maybe) before I cant read/hear/see/breathe, I truly hope that all Australians will simply get on with what is important for the progress of a civilised world .....

IMHO this will surely include the capacity to accept-as-equal (ie stop focussing on, singling out or leveraging their position according to) another's sexuality....or for that matter their age/skin colour/gender/disability/intellect/place of birth/.............

Kia Ora, indeed!

Rip and Rosie · Guru

EllenajoeL wrote:
One day (maybe) before I cant read/hear/see/breathe, I truly hope that all Australians will simply get on with what is important for the progress of a civilised world .....
IMHO this will surely include the capacity to accept-as-equal (ie stop focussing on, singling out or leveraging their position according to) another's sexuality....or for that matter their age/skin colour/gender/disability/intellect/place of birth/.............
Kia Ora, indeed!

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Duh · Guru

Rip and Rosie wrote:
EllenajoeL wrote:
One day (maybe) before I cant read/hear/see/breathe, I truly hope that all Australians will simply get on with what is important for the progress of a civilised world .....
IMHO this will surely include the capacity to accept-as-equal (ie stop focussing on, singling out or leveraging their position according to) another's sexuality....or for that matter their age/skin colour/gender/disability/intellect/place of birth/.............
Kia Ora, indeed!
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Ontos45 · Guru

Ontos45 wrote:
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.................................................just sick of the majority having to roll-over every time someone feels they are discriminated against

Do you prefer the word "concessions" better?
What concession am I giving up? My right to have a certain set of morals and thought of what to me, is right and wrong, nothing tangible, but worth a lot to me.

I wish you well in your cause to get same sex marriage here and not have to wait the 9 years that women waited for the vote here after NZ. but just remember that there are folks out there that won't speak-up against for fear of being labeled. Any Happy Hour should show you that.

Wont comment on this thread again can see it getting carried "off-topic" but will leave you with this,

"I may not agree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it"

Peter

-- Edited by Ontos45 on Sunday 21st of April 2013 12:55:49 PM

jules47 · The Happy Helper

Triple like!

billeeeeeee · Guru

LOVE does not segregate, Soooo who are we to tell love ,what is right or wrong,,,,,, that song from the 60s ,,What the world needs now is love sweet love ,not just for some, BUT for every one,,,, Billeeeeeeeee

Old Crofter · Senior Member

Is that you Billiee, its only 8:45, up already, whats wrong, are you ok?

"BOT" I agree with the sentiments previously given, just get on with it though I say rather than media making big of it.

Bob

Gerty Dancer · Guru

EllenajoeL wrote:
One day (maybe) before I cant read/hear/see/breathe, I truly hope that all Australians will simply get on with what is important for the progress of a civilised world .....
IMHO this will surely include the capacity to accept-as-equal (ie stop focussing on, singling out or leveraging their position according to) another's sexuality....or for that matter their age/skin colour/gender/disability/intellect/place of birth/.............
Kia Ora, indeed!

Also triple-like!

Martin Luther King had a similar dream....

jules47 · The Happy Helper

Yep - hear,hear nomads - a discussion without heat, allowing each to have their opinion - congratulations on the level of maturity shown

-- Edited by jules47 on Sunday 21st of April 2013 05:42:40 PM

billeeeeeee · Guru

florinhill wrote:
Is that you Billiee, its only 8:45, up already, whats wrong, are you ok?

"BOT" I agree with the sentiments previously given, just get on with it though I say rather than media making big of it.

Bob

Howdyeeee Bob , im sleep deprived, the pygmy wanted to go to the markets this morning,,sooooooooooooo ,,,,,give Rhonda a big hug for me , hope to meet up soon soooooo we can share a ..... or two,,,,,,heheheh Billeeeeeee

way2gokev · Senior Member

G'day

Like religion I accept the fact that everybody has the right to choose how they wish to live in this world. The gay people of this world have come along way in changing entrenched perseptions of what it means to be gay. I think they are pushing the barrow a bit to far to ask for a piece of paper that say's you are now married, They have the same rights as defacto's, they are not discriminated against as it is law now that they are protected. Will a piece of paper change that, I dont think so.

The world has changed alot and people who live in this world have had to change at a faster rate in these modern times, like others I agree that the religish side of marriage does not mean much nowdays, civil marriage is the norm just like funerals without religion they are more common nowdays.

So will a piece of paper change the majority of peoples opinions, I personnaly dont think so, It will take the dying out of my generation, then we wont have to worry about what is right and what is wrong.

Another thing that I cant get my head around is AIDS, who inflicted this curse on society????

Just my thoughts on this subject, live and let live how and whereever one chooses.

Cheers

Kev

billeeeeeee · Guru

Another thing that I cant get my head around is AIDS, who inflicted this curse on society????

Just my thoughts on this subject, live and let live how and whereever one chooses.

Cheers

Kev

Ontos45 · Guru

Just fixed a typo....big fingers small keyboard...lol

Duh · Guru

Apologies to our Kiwi friends and cousins, this is definitely not my beliefs but I had to chuckle when I saw it in an email sent to me under the title Equal Rights and the next vote in the Kiwi Parliament......thought it might lighten the subject up a bit, no offence meant to anyone...

-- Edited by Duh on Sunday 21st of April 2013 11:00:13 PM

GaryKelly · Guru

billeeeeeee wrote:
Another thing that I cant get my head around is AIDS, who inflicted this curse on society????
Just my thoughts on this subject, live and let live how and whereever one chooses.
Cheers
Kev

Your smilies speak volumes, Billeeee. Well put. But although the question is off topic, I would like to propose an answer, which is heterosexuals. Hehe. Without heterosexuals, we'd have neither gays nor AIDS. Sorry... I know I'm naughty but I just couldn't resist. biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

Judes and Bazz · Senior Member

Here is the link to the waiata the gallery sung in Parliment house after bill was passed.
This is the Kiwi unofficial national anthem and there wouldnt be any kiwi that doesnt know it.
http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Waiata-and-celebration-as-bill-passes/tabid/370/articleID/294677/Default.aspx
Hope this works
Jude

billeeeeeee · Guru

GaryKelly wrote:
billeeeeeee wrote:
Another thing that I cant get my head around is AIDS, who inflicted this curse on society????
Just my thoughts on this subject, live and let live how and whereever one chooses.
Cheers
Kev

Your smilies speak volumes, Billeeee. Well put. But although the question is off topic, I would like to propose an answer, which is heterosexuals. Hehe. Without heterosexuals, we'd have neither gays nor AIDS. Sorry... I know I'm naughty but I just couldn't resist.

Garry , may I say this , very humbly, your off to hell, for that one ,,, Ill be there too,,unless, we eat 27 hot dogs each for repentance, heheheheh,,, yes you vare very naughty for that statment,,,,,,,stay excited Garry,,,,,,,,,,,Billeeeeeee

Judes and Bazz · Senior Member

Kia Ora x