abes wrote:

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G'day

Could some body please define "self contained " ( re article The Grey Nomads Feb 26 )does this mean that ALL waste water is to be stored on board the vehicle/van ie: dish water, shower water and portable dunny waste.  Seems that some free camps will only allow motor homes to camp at particular locations.

Abes n Kaz

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 Seems you have right there.   You need to have means to store All your waste onboard  the rig. And take it away with you.

 

Regards

Mike

 

Can't we even water their trees with washing up water?

G'day  What next!!!!! soon they will regulate that farmers put buckets under their livestock to catch all the waste. Its a nightmare there is nothing wrong in putting grey water in the bush as long as you are using enviro friendly detergents etc and as long as you are not putting into a water storage or river, what is the harm???

I would think that being self contained means that you can live on the side of the road if need be, the toilet would be the main concern but even that will not harm the enviroment if buried. Dont they know that there is a world wide shortage of phosphoris, they now have plants that treat sewage to get the phosphoris out to use, hav'nt they heard of peeing on the lemon tree to get the best fruit, where will it end.

Case of catch me if you can and prove it.

Cheers

Kev

way2gokev wrote:

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the toilet would be the main concern but even that will not harm the enviroment if buried.

You're serious? So you'll come to my town, park your van, dig up the fresh green grass that we provide you to free camp on, and bury your poo in what is basically my back yard? All whist inviting you to stay for free? I can just see it now, a gn complaining because we offer free camping but then whinging because the place smells like sh*t and complaining that the campground is all dug up instead of fresh green grass.

Case of catch me if you can and prove it.

What a horribly sad way to live life. As long as you get what you want in life stuff everyone else. Selfishness at it's peak performance there. 

Cheers

Kev

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It all gets down to the individual as in all aspects of our lives....some folk are filthy at home and their surrounds whilst others are house proud....some folk are filthy when travelling whilst others do the 'right & responsible' thing...it is not a question of economics....some folk can live comfortably on little income whilst others struggle on a a substantial income....even with basic caravans some folk will have no problem with not leaving their footprint when they camp whilst even with more elaborate rigs some folk can leave their camping foorprint everywhere...the question IMO is really do you shut down everything to cater for the ignorant/dirty minority or will self regulation ever really work?.....its up to us the individual.....its not about laws.....criminals dont obey laws thats why they are criminals....likewise filthy habits will never be overcome by even the most zealous laws and enforcement....it almost become a challenge to those so inclined to live that way.....
I suggest this is another thread likely to go no where and end in much angst, simply because its up to us as individuals to do the ""right and responsible" thing when we are not being scrutinised by authority.....
Isn't this typical of all things in Australian life at present not just about 'Independent Camping'......Caravan Parks of course have more than a vested interest in making sure all laws guarantee travelling folk are forced to end up in their Parks irrespective of how much or how little value for money they offer.....and so ad infinitum...so see you out there in the bush doing the responsible thing....as the majority of all all do, and after a lifetime of responsible 'home' living' and raising family's, I dont give one bit of nanny goat poop what vested interests have to say or do..or petty illogical local laws...we all live in Australia not in someones precious plittle precinct..beside even if we get 'life' behind bars for many of us it won't be all that long...Lol......and they tell me even sex is perhaps more frequent behind 'bars'....Hoo Roo

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This is the CMCA Info on Leave No Trace and Self Contained Vehicle definition;

http://www.cmca.net.au/pages/motorhoming_information/cmca_schemes/LeaveNoTrace.php

A good read, thanks

Nicely written GDN

gordon_adl wrote:

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way2gokev wrote:

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the toilet would be the main concern but even that will not harm the enviroment if buried.

You're serious? So you'll come to my town, park your van, dig up the fresh green grass that we provide you to free camp on, and bury your poo in what is basically my back yard? All whist inviting you to stay for free? I can just see it now, a gn complaining because we offer free camping but then whinging because the place smells like sh*t and complaining that the campground is all dug up instead of fresh green grass.

Case of catch me if you can and prove it.

What a horribly sad way to live life. As long as you get what you want in life stuff everyone else. Selfishness at it's peak performance there. 

Cheers

Kev

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 G'day Gordon, I take what you say with a grain of salt. Nowhere in my post did I say that I would let waste free flow out of van at a free camp, I will do as I allways have put it in a dump dissposable where possible, if not I will bury it in an out of way place, definatly not in the free park area. Waste water I will collect in a bucket and put it around trees away from camp area as I have allways done. So dont get your nickers in a knot and infere that I am not a resposible person.

A light hearted banter about regulations turns into personnel attack with out any substance. Do you use the drop toilets?? well that is just another way of burying a great amount of waste. No different than me burying my waste, infact my way is more environmentally friendly.

You're last statement is typical of the dogooders in this world who jump to conclusion without digesting the facts creating a perseption that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

I will take your statement onboard and remember to post just facts not light hearted banter in case it I deemed to be guilty of something that was not implied.

Cheers and have a good day

Kev

rockylizard wrote:

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neilnruth wrote:

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Can't we even water their trees with washing up water?

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Gday...

It is always one of the things that constantly amuses and confuses me in my travels. Whether at CP, 'free' camp, camping ground, in the bush, national park etc there are always opposing opinions by those that are in authority.

Some literally insist you put your grey water on their grass/trees/gardens ... through to others who won't let you sneeze on the ground.

I thought that it was not possible now to buy any detergents/soaps/shampoos etc that are 'environmentally naughty' - therefore grey water should be safe for the environment.

Many councils promote those 'grey water diverters' for their ratepayers so their washing machine water etc is directed to either a holding tank on the property or directly to lawns/gardens.

Welcome to our regulated society

Cheers - John

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 Good post John, I thought it was good to water a tree.

....and now for the angst and the pious..mixed perhaps with a humourous interlude......at least I know when I'm making progress...when every mistake I make is a new one....we'll never lead the band if we can't face the music....I pay all my bills with a smile, but invariably they all want money...when I was a Banker I once had a lady customer who had very little collateral however she asked me if I would care to accept one of her promiscuity notes..and yes she did receive plenty of interest....Hoo Roo