brickies wrote:

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If I owned a tourist village the people I would be trying to attract would be my children not me . These people are running a business not the Salvation army , I am getting ready for the rotten tomatoes but rest of the country should not have to subsidize your life style , If you own a business you need to make a profit

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 No rotten tomatoes from me Brickies, I agree wholeheartedly.

 No rotten tomatoes from me either ? I fully understand that this whole camping Issue is a Very big Picture, and some on here are looking through a very small frame ??

turbopete wrote:

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once upon a time it used to cost a penny to dump hahaha lol

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 In some countries it still does!  And in some countries you have to pay for loo paper in a public loo!

This caravan park is owned by the council who put in managers to run it, but with them only lasting a few months they are not getting very good ones
I have been very happy with the facilities provided by many councils around this big land, but some like echuca that promote a tourist area they should at least put in a dump point.
I use both c/p and free camping and pay my way
Ken

Good one Ken - $20 to dump your loo is ridiculous - especially as it is a council owned park - didn't realise that there wasn't another dump point in Echuca - what about all the people who head out on the river - Christies Beach etc? Do they all dig holes? And surely there is somewhere that the paddle boats dump their loads? That council really need to take a long look at what tourism is all about - they advertise they want you to come, there are all these caravan parks and free camping on the river, but no facilities for a dump ?????
Crazy!!

Yuk Beth - the thought is enough to make you sick!!!!

ken thomas wrote:

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Looks like I certainly did marj, but what the hell that is what these forums are all about, getting different opinions
Ken

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 You certainly did Ken!  And I've noticed that sometimes people don't read the original post properly and get the wrong end of the stick.  

There's a "grey' area here. If the ground is being leased to managers to operate the park as a business rather than just employing a manager and using council staff to do all the various work then it is in effect a privately run caravan park, the only difference being that the physical assets and land is being leased rather than owned outright. If this is the case then the operators, as owners of the business (even if not the land and the physical assets) have every right to apply a charge for outsiders using the facilities provided for the park's customers.

Who is charging and collecting the $20? The council? or the operators as part of their lease agreement?

I think there's one thing we do all agree on and that is there should be a public dump point in a town and tourist destination the size of Echuca.

So when you make a deposit into a dump point, where does your deposit go?

Does a worker have to come and empty a big vat once its full or is it taken away via sewrage?

I have always wondered about that.

 

Thanks mate.

I thought, to be charging a fee of any sort for a loo, so to speak, there must have been labour involved to get rid of the waste.

Looks like just plain old greed if thats the case.

I have the money to pay for everything we see and do but I wouldn't pay that sort of money. A token in a van park is fine but no dump point to use freely usually leads to people dumping there waste or whatever, illegally.

I am at a loss why each time someone says something is too overpriced, they get jumped on for offering their opinion. Caw blimey guys, chill.

We have been through some tiny little towns and even had to line up at dump points but I have never seen one locked or chargable.

I would dump in the bush if that was the case, dig the hole and bury it. We are chemical free so its all good but if everyone did it, wouldn't be so good.

You want my dollar, offer me something to entice it outa my wallet.

Firefly wrote:

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I am at a loss why each time someone says something is too overpriced, they get jumped on for offering their opinion. Caw blimey guys, chill.

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 It's pointless even having a forum if we can't debate an issue as long as we "play the ball and not the man (or lady)"

I'll regularly take a devil's advocate approach to balance the debate at times, especially when I see busnesses being challenged for wanting a reasonable return on their very considerable investment and the long hours they often put in. I expect my opinions to be challenged and they often are but I don't take it personally when it happens.

Dump points cost money to install and maintain and private operators have every right to charge non-customers to use their facilities even to the extent of discouraging their use by outsiders. This equally applies whether the facilities are owned or leased.

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-- Edited by biggles on Tuesday 8th of January 2013 04:56:47 PM

jimricho - I did not say that the caravan parks should allow people to use their facilities for free - and I also think that paying $5 for the privilege was reasonable - lots of CP's allow campers to use their showers etc for a nominal fee - and that is terrific and forward thinking - in my opinion.

And yes, it does cost to install a dump point, but if you have the sewage available nearby, at the public toilets etc., it is a one off cost, once it is installed, then it would become part of the public toilet maintenance program, surely.

And I love the forum when it gets a bit heated - but not when it becomes a personal attack.

Our council dump point goes straight into the sewer at a sewer inspection point. My hubby doesn't feel there are any special extra big pipes.