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GEIST CARAVAN


Hello everyone, does anyone have one of these? Am interested in a light weight van bout 21foot that can be towed by a falcon. all the secondhand geists for sale are about 4 to 7 years old  I wanted to see some 2010 models for sale and can't find any. also, what are they like to repair and where in Australia can they be repaired and can you get parts and do all parts have to be imported? Also, has a report been done on these in a magazine in australia? thanks everyone.

 

 



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We purchased ours new in 2006, after having a horror experience with a well known Australian brand caravan "built for Australian conditions."

I just love that phrase being used by people who have never owned a European caravan, what a cop out.

A bit like saying Japanese cars are not built to suit Australian conditions????

In the six years that we have owned ours, we have been from Tasmania to Queensland six times for extended holidays of up to three months.

About to go again this year for five months.

Total amount of things that have gone wrong equal TWO. That was the water pressure regulator beagn to leak and the LPG regulator valve clogged up.

Otherwise the van has been a joy to own.  Very comfortable and a dream to tow.  Up until last year we towed with a Falcon, last year, because we wanted to experience the centre, I purchased the vehicle in the Avatar to tow it with.

The Falcon did not even know there was a caravan behind it. We still have the Falcon and we have decided that if the Merc behaves itself this year we will sell the Falcon and if the Merc misbehaves, it will go and it's back to the Falcon.

The Geist have a BPW Swing chassis and suspension.  This is the same chassis brand and set up as the Kenworth pig trailers. Google BPW chassis and check the information out.

Parts are becoming scarce, although there is a regular supply coming from the UK.

The Geist Owners club is very, very active, have seminars on servicing and repairing these vans, plus a couple of gatherings with guest speakers each year.

There are a lot of ignorant remarks posted by people who have never owned or towed one.  Read the Geist forum and see what the "real" owners have to say about them.

We have a LV 485, weighs in at 1500kg.

They are a touring van, not off road or long stretches of corrugated road. Like us, an occassional foray along a forestry road or gravel has never hurt it.

The fresh water tank is limited to eighty litres, easily filled from a container, so one does become water wise.  We find that fifteen litres each per day, lets us use the shower, cook and have a cuppa, we can stretch the tank out to last three days, free camping.

Being trained to this, we take a couple of twenty litre containers with us whenever we go for a drive, this extends our free camping out for whatever time we need.

Power wise, the van is set up standard for extended use without the need for 240volts.

They are insulated to withstand -30 degrees outside temp. By this, they mean that if it -30 outside, a person can remain safe for a period of 24 hours.  The windows are all double glazed as well.

There is no such animal as a 2010 model, Oakhurst Industries, who imported them went broke in about 2008.

Good luck with your hunt. The hardest model to buy is the LV/XK 485, the LV/XK 535 was the next size up and is very popular too.

The XK630 was especially built for the Australian market with a North/South double bed in the rear.  We did not like this layout.

The LV/XK 660, luxury on wheels, double bed East/West, the rear overhang can be troublesome.

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Dusty

 

 



-- Edited by Landfall on Thursday 12th of April 2012 09:15:55 AM

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Have you googled Geist caravans australia?

Lots of stuff on there.

I just had a quick squiz on an owners forum & found nothing negative.

I like the look of them & they are German made I think, but like you I would be very careful on questions of suitability for Aussie conditions & service availability before commiting.

 

I'll watch this thread with interest.



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http://www.caravanandrv.com.au/review_3645443545414535453936353434334442344331393334344438414344453931.htm

http://www.motorsm.com/aus/caravans/european-geist.asp



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Dusty  ..

Thanks for the spirited defence of your choice.  Gives me more faith in the product despite the shortage of supplier support.

I think that your message would have been better received without the attacks on others.  We are all entitled to our opinions & should be able to air them without the risk of verbal attack.  Strip away the vitriol & you make some good points.

Did you read the links posted by Wombat that point to the testing & upgrades for Aussie conditions?

I reckon that it would have to be very foolhardy to spend hard earned on a product without questioning its suitability in the local environment.

 

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 Hi,

I, and other owners of European vans  have been subject to vitriol for the past six years.

Sorry, but I can't be bothered being polite anymore.

Geist, before releasing there vans in Australia, brought six of them over here and thrashed them around Australia till they fell apart.

Looked at what went wrong and went back to Germany and upgraded the areas necessary.  Hence the chassis of a larger section and thickness.

When the importer fell over here in Australia there was a shipment of "Aussie" vans waiting to be delivered.  These vans went to the UK and where quickly snapped up as "heavy duty" vans.

The Australian vans also had the internal water tank fitted and later the ducted gas heater was removed.

As for my comments about "Australian" conditions, I would be very interested in finding out what people actually think the roads in say Turkey, Greece, Spain, etc are like?

I am aware of the shortcomings of European vans in general and the associated risks of buying one.

I would also buy another one without any hesitation.

I do hope that this has cleared up any misgivngs you had about my reply, but I certainly do not apologise for fighting back.

As a guide, lets see how many people make negative comments about the "Evolution" caravan being enquired about.

Have a nice day.

Dusty

 

 



-- Edited by Landfall on Wednesday 11th of April 2012 07:46:30 PM



-- Edited by Landfall on Wednesday 11th of April 2012 07:51:39 PM

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Hello Landfall, That is the most informative reply I have ever read. We are surely impressed. The club sounds great too.

 



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Thank you, Rocket.

I don't begrudge anyone an opinion. But I do like opinions based on fact, when commenting on things like , suitability for conditions. Unless of course the person commenting is an engineer and then can base their opinion on some figures, which are then factual.

The comment on the beds, is an opinion and indeed one that the Germans took into account after they had been selling here caravans here for about two years.

Surveys showed that Aussies wanted an East/West bed, but did not want the large 660 caravan. Hence the 630 was born.

We saw one of the first 630's that came to Australia. Did not like it at all, felt like you where walking down a tunnel to the bedroom area and the shower area was cramped compared to the 485 and 535.

The 630 was voted caravan of the year by C&M magazine.

In our case, we thought that the 485 and 535 where the best layouts for a small van and the ensuites where by far the best in the range.

With the addition of the Isabella annex from Denmark (see attachment) the van doubles its size, making it a very liveable van for longer periods.

There is a DVD put out by C&M featuring the Geists.

They tow, unbelievable. As I said, we used to tow with our Falcon XR6Turbo and never had any problems towing at any speed on any type of road.

As you might now gather, we are huge fans of our van, but be assured if it was in any way "not up to it" we would get rid of it instantly.

Cheers

Dusty

 



-- Edited by Landfall on Thursday 12th of April 2012 09:20:23 AM

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neilnruth wrote:

Thanks for all your info Dusty but you still didn't mention what bed configuraion it has. If it was against a wall we'd still have problems due to night 'calls of nature'. But enjoyed reading your info.


 NR,

Sorry, I did not say what bed config ours has.

The LV/XK 485 (ours) has two North/South singles at the front of the van, which can be made into a very large Queen size bed by pulling out a slatted extension built in to the centre cupboard. (I hope this makes sense?)

The LV/XK 535 has the same set up, plus the dinnette area converts to two upper and lower bunks.

The XK 630 and the LV/XK660 both have double size island beds.

The XK630 has the bathroom over the axles on the side.

The LV/XK660 has a seperate ensuite across the rear of the van.

One of the big advantages of the European caravans in general is there towing hitch and brakes.

In Europe, electric brakes which we have here are banned. They are deemed not to be safe on icy or snow covered roads.

European vans are fitted with either an Al-Ko hitch or as in the Geist, a Winterhoff hitch.  These hitches contain a friction pad and locking device that prevents sway, they are of an over ride nature. Not like the old fashioned over ride brakes we used to know.

They are far more sophisticated and even in the most extreme braking circumstances, stop without fuss.  They also have an interesting safety feature?  Should the caravan depart from the tow vehicle, the brakes are automatically applied, the van drops on to the dolley wheel and stops. (There used to be a u tube demonstrating this)

Because of this hitch, it is imperative that anyone buying on of these vans, also be aware that they need to have the special tow ball and locking plate fitted to there towing tongue, otherwise the hitch will undo a standard tow ball.

I don't mind answering any questions about the vans, I am not an expert on the other models, just from talking to other owners, I have picked up a little more knowledge.

Dusty



-- Edited by Landfall on Thursday 12th of April 2012 09:17:14 AM

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My brother-in-law has had a Geist 635 for several years now and contrary to popular belief apart from annual servicing nothig else has needed to be done. They are leaving next week for another 6 weeks or so away, they will be on NSW north coast from about Friday next week.

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I believe they are built for European road conditions, so I'd suggest you don't go off the black top.
Otherwise they are probably ok.

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The only Geists I've seen have the bed against the wall. Do any have an island bed? Beds against the wall are 'going backwards' as far as I'm concerned.

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Dusty  ..

Thanks for the spirited defence of your choice.  Gives me more faith in the product despite the shortage of supplier support.

I think that your message would have been better received without the attacks on others.  We are all entitled to our opinions & should be able to air them without the risk of verbal attack.  Strip away the vitriol & you make some good points.

Did you read the links posted by Wombat that point to the testing & upgrades for Aussie conditions?

I reckon that it would have to be very foolhardy to spend hard earned on a product without questioning its suitability in the local environment.

 

cheers .. G



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Thanks for all your info Dusty but you still didn't mention what bed configuraion it has. If it was against a wall we'd still have problems due to night 'calls of nature'. But enjoyed reading your info.

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hi to all, i have just read with great interest the question on the GEIST caravan and would like to comment too, we have had a geist van for over 4yrs now and are still as thrilled with it as the day we bought it. We started with a AK 595 which is approx 20.5ft it had a seperate bedroom with nth/ sth single beds which we liked, a full ensuite across the rear of the van and a front living space which converted to a large queen bed, the layout is brilliant, after travelling all over oz and doing many other trips towing with a Ford Futura we had no problems and it towed like a dream, we have now changed to the smaller LV485 which is also a great floor plan, a large ensuite lots of counter space and single beds,parts and service are no problem, the braking and hitch system are fantastic. the Isabella annex doubles the living space so lots of room to spred out. like everything else in life it,s a matter of taste and what suits one does,nt suit another, Aussie vans/Imports ?? does,nt matter as long as we are happy with what we have.  regards greyghosts



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Thanks Dusty. Single beds would be our choice too and being able to convert them to a QB sounds brilliant (for cold winter nights??) Sounds like they have definitely improved. Only funny comment I have on European vans would be the person we saw in Cornwell trying to turn their large van in a small Cornish road (looked like they had just taken delivery of it as they were getting lots of instructions!). What a long line of traffic sat waiting - then they decided to give up and go down to the roundabout about 1/2km away - just what they should have done in the first place! I wonder why they have such big vans for such small roads in England? We also saw a huge 5th wheeler at a summer fair in Devon. We just stood there gobsmacked wondering how on earth they got it out of the town? We were having trouble on some of the roads in a Ford Mondeo!

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Hi Dusty

We have a Geist LV 485 and love it to bits, saw the pic you have there with an Isabella on the side and was wondering what design/model isabella it is, we would like to get one to fit ours.

 

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Welcome to the forum Barmy Bill. Nice of you to join us. I hope you enjoy your stay.

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Welcome barmy bill! Have been so impressed by what I've read about Geists.... but what about the price?

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Thanks Cruising Granny and Gerty Dancer.

If you plan on buying a Geist just make sure that it has the compliance plate for the Winteroff hitch on the kerb side of the A frame, othewise you will need to get one sorted thru Geist owners or elsewhere? http://geistowners.com/?p=651 that url should give you all the info you need on it. We really love our little van it suits us perfectly we don't plan on going bush bashing quite happy to ride the black stuff and stop in nice places.

We did look at lots of other vans and settled originaly on a nice jayco heritige but then realised our x-trail would most likley not legaly be able to tow it, so then we found a second hand Geist and have been happy ever since.

The fitout is very nice and the bed is comfy as well, we just make it up every night, although when we eventually buy the Isabella we will just leave it as a bed during the day.

The only other thing you should be aware of is the Winterhoff Hitch needs a 50mm ball and the special plate that stops it turning, as the Hitch is the anti sway unit as well, so needs to be dry and clean and not greased or it wont work. does not need anti sway bars, it really is a good system though and keeps the van strait as a die.

wow I was only gunna say hello don't know where that lot came from.

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Hello, I have an original Geist LV 660, purchased 2005. It came with a 190 L electric 12V only fridge. I still have it & can give you the whole life history if you want. Gareth from Go See Australia also is a good source or Peter Treasure of the Geist Owners Club.



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They are rock bottom, if you have not got your head buried in the sand. Having said that. I have had mine from 2005 (one of the first with compressor only fridge) and we are still loving it. Luxury Geist vans are extremely cheap. If you know what you are doing; get a great deal.

 



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Ben, another repair place who deal with all sorts of caravans is Caboolture Caravan Repairs who would be worth contacting, see;

http://www.caravanrepair.com.au/ 

What state are you in?  It helps when asking for advice to give a state or have a state in your profile (none there) as someone may know someone local, a general area in a state will help with that too.

I have never owned a Geist, but a friend has one in Perth.   I am not knocking Geist, they are a very nice looking and well planned van and seem to have a good quality build.   One thing I didn't like on his though was the flimsy awning arms compared to one on other makes of caravan.

He had a wheel come adrift on his and wrecked his wheel arch and damaged the surrounding panels, he couldn't get the parts he needed and ended up have compromise repairs done by a local repairer, this was after some time investigating various avenues.

 

 

 

 



 



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G'day

We have recently purchased a second hand Exlusive 660 and wondering where we can purchase some parts. It appears that the previous owner may have left the jockey wheel down as he travelled and has bent it slightly and I would like to replace it. I'm also having a little difficulty in the workings of the water heater when turning it onto gas any help would be appreciated

Cheers

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ALL biased Geist information removed. Good luck. If you don't own a Geist van you should not be making ill advised comments. FULL STOP!

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Ben, suggest you obtain some unbiased opinions from independent sources, I have sent you a pm.....


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The first recommendation I would make is do not post on this site as one cannot edit or change the information.



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Bamboo wrote:

The first recommendation I would make is do not post on this site as one cannot edit or change the information.


 John, like a lot of forums there is a time limit on when you can edit otherwise following posts do not make sense.  Not sure what the limit is but if you find you can't edit anymore then that time limit has passed.

 



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Welcome Bamboo. We haven't had a problem posting on this site. I always read through what I've typed before I submit and then if need be I usually edit it before I submit so don't have a problem with it.
Hopefully you will come to enjoy being on the forum.

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