Jim Jim Falls Road

Two Strays · Senior Member

Jim Jim Falls Road

Hylda&Jon · Guru

Hi!

You must be rather close to us as we're camped at Mardugal Camp Ground for the next couple of days so if you see our Jabiru caravan & white Landcruiser floating around in the generator sites then drop in & say Hi.

We decided against driving to Jim Jim Falls as we have heard it gets rather rough & we have seen so many water falls over the last 2 years that one missed will not kill us.

Cheers

Jon

Sheba · Guru

For the uninitiated, what is 1000 hours please ?

Cheers,

Sheba.

gubby · Guru

Sheba wrote:
For the uninitiated, what is 1000 hours please ?

Cheers,
Sheba.

10 am .... wink

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Sheba, 1000hrs is 10am, 2200hrs is 10pm using the 24 hour clock.

Your post raises an interesting question "Two Strays".
I would prefer to see these remote and beautiful places while they are still remote and beautiful. Providing a decent road destroys all of that.
The next step will be a massive bitumen carpark, concrete paths everywhere and guard rails.

We have already lost the Oodnadatta Track, the Birdsville Track the Gibb River Road and many others.
These routes are all truly roads now and the traffic densities have skyrocketted over the last few years and much of their appeal has been lost to history.

I say leave some places for those who are prepared to make a serious effort to see them.

Cheers,
Peter

ozi2 · Guru

Sheba wrote:
For the uninitiated, what is 1000 hours please ?

Cheers,
Sheba.

HI Sheba, it is 10am, it's used by military forces and aviation etc around the world. Starting from midnight the first hour is 0100 followed by 0200 hrs etc through to 2400hrs (mid night) In military terms the term Zulu is used when giving the time, we know it as GMT (Greewich Mean time) check out www.greenwichmeantime.com for a good explaination.

cheers

ozi2

glassies · Guru

i agree with you margaret but i also disagree with the amount to get to see the falls what a ridiculous price 25 per head
for what ,if they arent going to keep the road graded for that amount per head then what are we paying for
and they call australia the lucky country ,how do they figure that when these days you have to pay for something
that costs nothing, the waterfall is there and has always been there like many others next they will be charging for
milla milla falls in the cairns area just because its there.

im astounded at the cost of 25 per head ive never heard of anything so crazy, oh except i did hear on the radio once
that in america if you want to go to a national park for a weekend or camp at all you must book ahead and pay
and that was many years ago now its starting to happen everywhere in australia as well, and has done for years yet only to get worse
and yes i agree that some need to be maintained re:garbage bins, and some if they have toilets etc, but when the road is
dirt and there is nothing at the end but a waterfall, im appalled at making people pay to see something that belongs to the
country itself.

Not that i dont know where that money goes i do know where it goes thats a whole other story though .

_wombat_ · Master (of Mischief)

Years ago there was no entry fee, then they decided to have a fee for a couple of years, people stopped going, fee was taken off, couple of more years and fee was installed again last year, we will no enter Kaka until the fee is dropped again, what is really annoying is if you live in the MT you do not have to pay anything, its only the tourist that are being slugged.

If ALL tourist stopped going there the fee would be dropped, the entry fee is ontop of camping fee's, bloody rip off I call it.

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Personally I don't agree with entry fees to National Parks, however the $25 fee is not just to see Jim Jim Falls, it is to see Kakadu and is valid for a week or 10 days, from memory.
If you think you can see Kakadu in 2 days you are kidding yourself and then it is expensive, but if you spend a week it is not so much.
On our last trip there we spent 10 days in Kakadu and only saw a small portion of it. Jim Jim was still closed, so we have not been there. Also, there are (or were) free campsites in Kakadu as well as those with additional facilities and fees to match.
We will have to go back for another week, or so, at some time in the future.

Cheers,
Peter

_wombat_ · Master (of Mischief)

PnM, do you know why NT residents get in FREE?

I was told it is because they are rate/tax payers, well I am also a rate/tax payer here in WA and I have to pay to enter NP here in WA, and in the NT (where locals get in for nothing)

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

No I don't.

Generally speaking "National" Parks are not National at all, they are State Parks and are controlled entirely by the States and the rules are different in each State (or Territory).

Uluru and Kakadu are the exceptions. They are controlled by the Federal Government, not by NT. All of the other NT National Parks (eg Litchfield, Gregory, Keep River etc) are free entry to everyone and camping charges are about $3.50 per person per day in all of them.

Cheers,

Peter

Vic · Guru

_wombat_ wrote:
PnM, do you know why NT residents get in FREE?
I was told it is because they are rate/tax payers, well I am also a rate/tax payer here in WA and I have to pay to enter NP here in WA, and in the NT (where locals get in for nothing)

Hi Wombat.....time to put your pic up in your avatar instead of mine, everyone will think you are the good looking, sauve looking chap (did I say conceited) in it when it's me !!

gubby · Guru

I think he might like you Vic.... wink

_wombat_ · Master (of Mischief)

PnM re National Parks:

so if the Kakadu National Park is controlled by the Federal Government, why are NT residents allowed in free?

I do realise you do not know the answer, but do you think it is fair that one group of rate/tax payers can get free access?

Vic, I don't have a picture of mtself

Hylda&Jon · Guru

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Personally I don't agree with entry fees to National Parks, however the $25 fee is not just to see Jim Jim Falls, it is to see Kakadu and is valid for a week or 10 days, from memory.
If you think you can see Kakadu in 2 days you are kidding yourself and then it is expensive, but if you spend a week it is not so much.
On our last trip there we spent 10 days in Kakadu and only saw a small portion of it. Jim Jim was still closed, so we have not been there. Also, there are (or were) free campsites in Kakadu as well as those with additional facilities and fees to match.
We will have to go back for another week, or so, at some time in the future.

Cheers,
Peter

$25 per person covers 14 days within Kakadu, entitles you t0 free entry to the Aboriginal Cultural Centre & all the walks & waterfalls within the park.

There is a $10 per person site fee for camping sites with toilets, showers & drinking water plus slide show talks 2 or 3 times a week plus guided nature walks by the rangers.There is also $5 per person camp sites with only toilets. From our caravan annex in one of the paid sites we had a glorious view of a waterfall which was priceless. Where we are now we are within about 30km of waterfalls, lookouts & many nature & wetland walks.

I'm not mad on the $25 entry fee but I have seen similar fees in other places (eg: Monkey Mia) with a lot less to see.

Cheers

Jon

_wombat_ · Master (of Mischief)

there is a lot less to see at Monkey Mia and it is not a National Park it's reserve run by DEC.

In my opinion that place is also a rip off, my objection is that NT residents do not pay any fee when travellers who spend $$$$$ just to get to Kakadu are then ripped off with A fee.