"Ciese Ping" Magnetic Fuel/Air Balancer.

xina · Guru

"Ciese Ping" Magnetic Fuel/Air Balancer.

jimricho · Guru

xina wrote:

Improve unleaded petrol operation by balancing the electron flow of Hydrocarbons.

I'm not sure, but I think it's supposed to improve Fuel consumption slightly too.

This is a load of technical gobbledygook! The flow of air or hydrocarbon molecules is not in any way affected by magnetic fields.

I recall recently seeing some research somewhere that established that most of these "quick fix" gizmos don't work and these have been around since the earliest days of motoring. (I do not include genuine engine or computer modifications where there is valid independent research that establishes improved performance.)

Regarding the perception of improved running of your vehicle I've noticed that my car runs smoother after I've washed it!

DeBe · Guru

As a mechanic the only thing I can think of that a magnet will do is remove any Iron filings which may have found there way into the fuel tank. Pinging is related to ignition timing fuel quality & load. Ordinary ULP in older motors can be a problem, either retard ignition or use Premium ULP the latter will definitly be an improvement. Late model vehicles Eg AU ford & on have an ignition timing controlled by a Knock sensor attached to the Block. This automaticly abjusts timing up to the point of pinging, for max fuel ecconomy & power no matter what the fuel quality. Cheers Daryl

dave06 · Guru

yep sorry xina, my experience is aligned with that stated above, there is no independent reliable documentation supporting the alignment of molecules relevant to a magnetic field

R.A.A. reports state these do not work and in fact bring your fuel pump under greater strain (having to force the fuel under a greater pressure) so may in fact be detrimental to the performance of the engine components

if you have a pre 85 vehicle that relies on high octane fuel to stop "pinging" (detonation) please do not stop using this fuel as you can destroy your engine on one hill

a lot of gadgets out there with very wild claims, basically if it sounds too good to be true then unfortunately it usually is

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

You have been had.
Tell them you want your money back or you will go to consumer afairs, but don't let THEM remove it, get it removed by someone else.

Cheers,
Peter

xina · Guru

Hi Guys,
Thanks for caring, but as I said, I'm already happy with it. Even if I don't get better fuel consumption, I reckon the 'van IS running smoother.
Ted is a friend of a very good friend of mine, who wouldn't do the wrong thing by me. My friend, and lots more of HIS friends use them.

Ted does not advertise them, [can't, as he sells them as a Hobbyist.] so all of his sales, are by word of mouth, which must say something.

Having rejected the idea of trying a number of other products that have been on the market for quite a while, I figured this one was worth the risk at that price, under those circumstances.

I don't pay for it 'till Friday by the way.

Cheers,
xina.

Disco Duck · Guru

Unfortunately Xina........I have to agree.

Definately get you money back because it doesn't work!!

Good advice too Peter!!

DeBe.....I actually thought I had a knock sensor in my old Land Rover till I found out the mechanic had left a hammer on the air cleaner!!

-- Edited by Disco Duck on Tuesday 8th of December 2009 06:36:54 PM

Disco Duck · Guru

Let us know about the fuel economy Xina.......that would be interesting!!

xina · Guru

Will any of you believe me if I tell you I DO get more mileage? I seriously doubt it, but I said I would let you know after a trial,, and I will.
Cheers,
xina.

-- Edited by xina on Tuesday 8th of December 2009 07:09:23 PM

jimricho · Guru

I must check my fuel consumption next time I wash my car

xina · Guru

No wonder you're SOLO.
Cheers,
xina.

DeBe · Guru

Disco the knocking is little men using sledge hammers on top of your pistons. Aparently all hell breaks loose if they manage to break through & they strike oil?????????????

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Just a small trawl on Google should convince you?

http://www.ncbuy.com/credit/articles/01_10816.html

http://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/CA256F2B00224F55/page/Listing-ConsumerAlerts-2009-07-29+-+Fuel+Saving+Devices+-+Alert?OpenDocument&1=942-Consumer+Scams+%26+Alerts~&2=~&3=~&REFUNID=43AE05C06B9370DBCA257670002317D9~

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/four-fuelsaving-devices-dumped-as-inquiry-cries-foul-20090420-acqk.html

Just because the maker 'believes' in it does not make it work.

EDIT: The ususl "trick" with these things is to improve some minor issue that was already there. This is usually pretty easy to do, especially with older vehicles. The vehicle runs better and the customer believes in the gadget. QED.
It is just as easy to make the vehicle run rough again after the gadget is removed too.

Cheers
Peter

-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Tuesday 8th of December 2009 11:06:59 PM

dave06 · Guru

please xina we are not knocking it just for knocking it's sake, snake oil salesmen have been around for eons, if you believe in the unit then by all means pay for it leave it on and be happy but do not under any circumstances cease using high octane fuel

this is better known as "premium unleaded" the older vehicles, pre 85, need the extra octane to stop the pinging, if you get pinging upon acceleration then the vehicle will not last long

the highest octane fuel is currently bp which is all I will use in little blue

please dont take the answers as a personal assault although some do border on that

Disco Duck · Guru

LOL DeBe. I have seen a couple where the strike came from inside. Makes a mess!!

xina · Guru

OK Dave. The 'van is a '98 Diesel.
Cheers.

dave06 · Guru

obviously my answer on high octane fuel doesnt relate to your vehicle but I must always try to use a "generic" answer,

a lot of young players out there use an older model petrol powered van and are reading this thinking they can get away with a lower octane rated and thereby cheaper fuel

thanks xina, stay happy!!

the post is a good one, please keep it up! we value your input! Highly!

DeBe · Guru

Yep my answer not realy relevent since were dealing with a diesel, must remember ask first before answering.

Disco Duck · Guru

You got me rattled Xina .......I have to tell you.

I cannot grasp how a gizmo originally designed to stop the pinging in unleaded petrol motors will help a diesel. Why would you have fitted it to start with? Diesels don't ping. What was wrong with your motor for you to need to fit it?

I am not badgering you.......I am really just very curious as I am a diesel mechanic.

I guess the main thing is that you are happy with it so wether it works or doesn't work is irrelevant.

Your car........your money..........your happiness. !! Problem solved!! :) :)

xina · Guru

Hi Disco,

I know absolutely nothing about this sort of thing, which is why I suggested any-one who was interested ring Ted himself, and he can explain it to you. Another friend of my friend, who has a fleet of trucks, and a million acre property in the Territory, uses them in all his vehicles.

As I said earlier, Ted was an engineer before he retired.

Cheers,
xina.

dave06 · Guru

ah you see we may very well be scoffing at something that may in fact work, who knows, newton was labelled a drongoe as well

I wonder what happened to the gizmo that pro hart designed/invented his was scoffed at but apparently did work! and has since disapeared

Basil Faulty · Guru

The ACCC has taken action re the Fitch fuel catylist and Hyclone...

jimricho · Guru

dave06 wrote:

ah you see we may very well be scoffing at something that may in fact work, who knows, newton was labelled a drongoe as well

I wonder what happened to the gizmo that pro hart designed/invented his was scoffed at but apparently did work! and has since disapeared

As well as Newton, Einstein, Darwin, and Galileo all copped a lot criticism (to put it mildly!) but all of these people went to extraordinary lengths to establish their theories and in all cases they have stood the test of time. There's no comparison with the purveyors of some of these gadgets. A more appropriate comparison would be with the alchemists of the medieval era.

Before anyone accuses me of being a "drongoe" I deny the charge.....despite overwhelming irrefutable evidence! wink

-- Edited by jimricho on Friday 11th of December 2009 06:10:23 AM

dave06 · Guru

call me what you like, anything but late for meals!!

Delta18 · Guru

<Bump>

Any news on the fuel consumption trials?

xina · Guru

As I didn't get to see what I was getting before putting it in, I don't really know if there is any benefit for fuel consumption . A friend of mine is going to get one put in her car soon, so I'll be able to give you the results from her Vehicle.

I'll let you see what you think. I'm getting 100ks per 9 ltrs Diesel. Even if it hasn't made a difference to fuel consumption, I'm still glad I put it in, as I do believe she runs smoother.

Cheers,
xina.