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Actual learning - AI will not help


I have been learning a new language... very (torturous to put it mildly) slowly! I do use AI in a limited form. But even with my utterly absolute basic level I do see the mistakes. For the remotely fluent speaker they could see the failures of AI by magnitudes.

Just because AI has ticked all the boxes for your latest 3rd, 4th or 7th Masters doesn't mean you actually have any understanding or "survival!"

Further more, I have actually realised that trying to learn another language is actually improving my English, & I am only on the start of this learning experience.

Putting all the above technicalities aside, it does gives me a reason to keep going.



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While there are times that I'm genuinely astounded by what it can do, my general conclusion that AI has about the same IQ as a cheese toastie. 

Unfortunately that means that sometimes I spend as much time double checking and fixing the stuff produced by AI as I would have spend if I'd done the work myself. :(



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I use AI almost every day. I have found that it provides useful answers to 90% of my computer related questions. For other types of questions, eg electronic component identification, it is mostly useless. In fact it is worse than useless because it generates fictitious results. Copilot (Microsoft's AI) wasn't able to evaluate a simple mathematical expression, even after several attempts, and after I showed it the way. I have used both Gemini and Copilot to produce computer programs which would have taken me several hours to write and debug. Gemini's program was bug-free. Copilot's program had a few syntax errors which I corrected, but was otherwise OK.

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Like you I use it on a daily basis, and usually more than once. I don't pay for any, so just get the basic level, preferring not sign in if it allows that. I would rate Copilot very poorly, and primarily choose Gemini.

For coding, I have found it surprisingly good at designing a solution from interpreting simple end user specifications to writing the code. I know your opening post was not about computer languages, but there are similarities. I have asked for help developing in Jinja2 (of which I knew nothing) and it mostly gets it right first go. Without AI, I would struggle for hours to get there, while Gemini has the solution in seconds.

Sometimes the solution fails with an error message. Try this. Try that. And when it still fails, it then adds code to debug each step. Finally, doing my own research I can see it is trying to read an invalid data type for that function.

Or, pass it to a different AI and ask why this snippet fails.

Taking the topic back to non technical, the main way I use AI is to find information, but I make sure to ask it to provide links so I can assess the credibility of the response.

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smileDumbing us right down me thinks, and as it is 1st offered on a search, the dumber we are the dumber we will get.

I will have to get smarter to enable a better way to search stuffsmile



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I agree.

It is the first thing that comes up on a search and I have noticed a lot of the stuff is just plain incorrect.
Don't know why we need this rubbish.

Just more cr*p fed into us by out of control tech billionaires.

Plus the huge data centres wrecking our farmland with gas fired power to run the stupid things.
There are issues with the pollution feeding into nearby cattle paddocks in the NSW Southern Highlands.
There are predictions they will need 15% of our electricity grid to operate in a few years time.
Aren't we in enough trouble now with power generation without adding these monstrosities to our landscape.

Between solar panel farms dotting the landscape everywhere now, huge windfarms under construction and now these ridiculous power hungry data centres popping up everywhere, there will be no decent farmland left to grow food?
A truck driving company owning mate dropped by this morning.
He told me a lot of our dairy farmers are now on the brink of collapse.

Among other things he said labor and freight costs are killing them.
So what happens then, we import milk from some stuffed up country, or China?

I don't think we need A.I., we need A2E. - Afford 2 Eat.



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The Internet is full of stupid people. AI learns from the Internet. Stupid people learn from AI and then post to the Internet. AI learns from the Internet ...



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What is it with all weird messages that have appeared on this forum that I am not game to open?

A prime example of A.I. at it's best??

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Most likely nothing to do with AI. More likely a low level scammer. In coming months/weeks, there will be a battle between cybersecurity companies like Palo Alto Networks and rogue malicious AI agents. I thought about buying PA share but they were around 1000x earnings. Very good reasons for that. Sam and Dario are simply evil. The four or five CEOs of the leading AI companies behind the facade of cooperation actually hate each other with a passion. Interesting to watch.

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I would imagine they hate each other as much as I hate A.I. with a passion.

In the coming years I think we are going to be inundated with hordes of scams and useless information to drive all of us crazy.
These high level techos are out of control.

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Arnie terminates robots



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Wholeheartedly agree, rmoor.

I am sick of presentations with bad pronunciation, spelling and grammar. It grates every time this occurs.  But, it always reminds me of my Dad, who was very particular and was always pulling us up every time we got it wrong.

Every child and perhaps parents need to go back to school and at least complete 6th grade English.  We could also say this of History, Maths, Home Economics, Science and pretty well every subject there is.  

Seems that the investing public are a little reluctant to invest.  Good.  Maybe they won't be able to build as many and as large as they plan.

One of the biggest issues I have is there is too much room for propaganda.  If enough bots are employed and post the information a person or government enough times, according to AI it will become truth. AI takes a consensus of all the posts etc. on a particular subject and puts forward the one that seems to occur the most wins the truth argument.  That gives a lot of room for manipulation of data for a determined person.



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I wonder if Moore's Law will apply to AI. If performance were to double each year, then it will have increased by x1000 within a decade. If performance were to double every two years, then it will increase by x30.

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Not unlike a discussion I am booked in to have with a "customer success" person this morning from the company that took over a (company) software program I have used for at least two decades.
In the last three years they have increased our annual fees by 11.5%, 10.7% and 11%.

I have pointed out to them one would be mistaken for thinking it was price gouging or profiteering?

I have this morning looked up their financial results for the last three years and lo and behold, last years PROFIT increase was 10.9% on a turnover over a billion (U.K.).

A coincidence??
Mind you, a company is entitled to set it's own prices and is entitled to a profit and grow wealth.
Be careful though, the law of price and elasticity of demand looms.
Don't drive your customer base away to a competitor.

As I pointed out to them, at the rate they are increasing our annual subscriptions, the fees would double in just over 7 years at a compounding rate.
The recent years fee increases are far higher than what the competent Aussie company were charging previously.

What really bugs me about them is they push A.I. relentlessly.
Even to the point that they invoice you for A.I. applications I would want about as much as a brown snake in my bed.

They invoice on an "Opt Out" basis, not an "Opt In" basis.
If you don't tick the box says "I don't want this rubbish".
They send you an invoice for an application one does not want, or want to use.

Methinks there are a lot of sharks operating in the A.I. world.

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Arnie terminates robots


 BMW decommissioned Figure 02 robots. They were replaced with Figure 03 robots. No company wanted to disassemble them, so they looked for an alternative solution & made a short film in the process.



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My Dad was an engineer at Birlec in Australia designing electric arc furnaces. A technology some current groups are carrying on about as the green future... these furnaces go back to the late 1800s. So a somewhat tried & tested technology!



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