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Collo · Senior Member

Al music

Corndoggy · Senior Member

AI is not going to be the be all end all wiz bang wonder of the world all these tech bros want us to believe it is.when all these people loose their jobs, and they will, and can't find another job, and they won't and won't have any money, and they won't, how are they going to pay for anything. Food, clothing, bills, with zero income as welfare won't be able to pay for it. Ai doesn't need rest, doesn't need get paid,, just goes along doing its thing. These tech bros just want their money to do all that. All those in any area at this time that can only be done by actual human input will be safe, only for this time. There will come a time when even those jobs will begin to be taken over. It will happen. Maybe not in my lifetime, what's left of it, but certainly in my grandsons time. I think a lot of us underestimate just how unknown we look at AI and how will control the future. As science fiction has always been fiction untill it's not.

rmoor · Guru

Don't start me on A.I.

Don't see the need fort it, sure in some applications but really is overkill.

Overkill may well end up being the operative word there.
I also wonder what sort of world my grand-daughter will end up living in.
A very ****e one I would imagine.

All A.I. will do long term is cause misery for many and make the tech billionaires into trillionaires.

rmoor · Guru

This system even edits Sh*te.....

Bl**dy A.I.

Don't even try to mention a Parrot with a Sulphur crest on here.

smwhiskey · Senior Member

As a person who has both used and lost their job due to AI (well thats the official story from my former management) I feel I'm qualified to speak on the subject...

So in point form.

IMHO The hype still far outweighs the reality. As a software developer I can make changes faster, easier and in languages and/or technologies I know less than nothing about using AI.
Can AI build complete usable computer applications based on input from anybody? Yes but success largely depending on the correctness of the inputs you give it. And that takes time to learn
Is AI always right? Nope. The more complex the application that you're trying to change the less likely the chance that it'll get it right. It seems to be OK if you build new applications from scratch but existing applications that have been around for a decade or more seem to present challenges that reduce the accuracy of the results. As an aside its been interesting to see that as companies such as Microsoft rely more and more on AI they are having more and more issues with their software.
Management is believing the hype and not the reality.
Am I glad I'm in a position to retire in the next 2-4 years. Absolutely.

How does this apply to music and the rest of the arts?

In a world where we're fast losing the human touch, the artistry and subtlety of a human will always be better anything generated by AI.

Last year, for the first time in a long time, I spent a relaxing and very enjoyable Sunday afternoon in the beer garden at a pub on Bribie Island listening to a live band. They wern't perfect but they were absolutely having a great time and that attitude transferred itself to the audience. If it had been a DJ and canned music I doubt I would have stopped.

The world will progress on but sadly not all progress is for the better.

smwhiskey · Senior Member

rmoor wrote:
This system even edits Sh*te.....

Bl**dy A.I.

Don't even try to mention a Parrot with a Sulphur crest on here.

Just to upset you even more, this probably isn't even AI. Its a simple word translation table based on decades of use that finds the word and converts it to a translated version.

dorian · Guru

There will need to be human customers for whatever AI produces, and these human customers will need jobs to pay for whatever they buy. This means that the system will need to reach some kind of equilibrium. The same thing happens in nature -- if carnivores were to kill all their prey animals, then they would die out.

Ineedabiggerboat · Senior Member

True

smwhiskey · Senior Member

dorian wrote:
There will need to be human customers for whatever AI produces, and these human customers will need jobs to pay for whatever they buy. This means that the system will need to reach some kind of equilibrium. The same thing happens in nature -- if carnivores were to kill all their prey animals, then they would die out.

I think that we'll find that roles will evolve. Already seeing it in IT. People are (or rather should be) spending more time validating the AI generated material than they are writing new stuff. Over time that will evolve further.

I say "should be" because its plainly obvious that most don't blankstare

dorian · Guru

One area where I would have expected AI to excel would be in mathematics. However, I have found that Copilot (Microsoft's AI) is absolutely hopeless. On one occasion I asked it to calculate the impedance of a capacitor or inductor at a particular frequency, but it got it wrong, and it even showed me its incorrect intermediate steps. I corrected it, but it again produced the wrong result ... twice. After my last correction, it agreed that my answer was correct, but once again produced the wrong explanation.

More recently, I asked Copilot to calculate a relatively simple expression involving the sum of a combination of decimal and hexadecimal numbers, but it again produced the wrong result ... twice. Mathematics is an EXACT science. How can an AI-powered computer get it wrong?

Ineedabiggerboat · Senior Member

Ask your A.I. service Roast me based on what you know about me

dorian · Guru

Ineedabiggerboat wrote:
Ask your A.I. service Roast me based on what you know about me

I actually asked AI what it thinks about me, and it had nice things to say, based on my participation in other forums.

One pundit made an interesting observation. He said that AI is trained on material from the Internet, and it is increasingly being used to generate material for the Internet. This means that AI is learning from itself. Over time this in turn means that AI will become dumber and dumber.

-- Edited by dorian on Monday 6th of April 2026 01:57:32 PM

Are We Lost · Guru

Increasingly rapid growth of AI is inevitable. Just like the tide is coming in or winter is coming .... it's coming. So instead of complaining about it, plan for it, adopt it and get used to it.

Since first using it about a year or so ago, it is now routine for me, and I typically use it multiple times a day. Maybe it might be "Compare model x gadget with model y". Then get it to explain some of the features, and how to use them. The results may not be perfect but I get a great start. Explain this, explain that. It is like having an expert on every field of knowledge available to tap for answers.

I have used AI to anlayse my blood test resuts. That highlighted some things the doctor should have discussed but just glossed over. Without AI I would be none the wiser for why some results were outside normal, and that I needed to address them.

AI is only in its infancy and the quality of what it produces will rapidly improve. As businesses replace more and more of the workplace with AI there will have to be a very rapid change in society. Even the physical jobs will be replaced with robots.

I posed that type of question to AI (Gemini).

AI, how will society function financially?

Are We Lost · Guru

dorian wrote:
One area where I would have expected AI to excel would be in mathematics. However, I have found that Copilot (Microsoft's AI) is absolutely hopeless.

I have found Copilot falls a bit short in maths. It is more about picking the correct method and which operands rather than the calculation itself. I had the same problem when asking to calculate the growth in US debt per minute. It should be pretty straightforward but it took a few attempts. First it used a years old starting point, then a few wrong methods to calculate it, and finally mixing millions with billions.

I find Gemini a little better even using its lowest "Fast" answers without signing in. You can choose Thinking mode or Pro, or higher still with a paid subscription ... I don't have an account, let alone pay.

Another use .... I asked AI to explain the joke just posted by Whenarewethere.

Gemini (fast) worked it out straight away .... A thinking person's joke. Very clever.

-- Edited by Are We Lost on Monday 6th of April 2026 01:53:17 PM

dorian · Guru

I find that Copilot provides useful answers to 95% of my computer related questions. However, whenever I have asked it to identify the markings on an unknown electronic component, it has always failed me. On one occasion it even created a fictitious IC manufacturer.

An acquaintance used Claude to convert one of my software tools to a different language, Python. Claude was also able to convert one of my command-line tools to a GUI version. I have used Copilot to generate bits of code which I have then massaged and incorporated into my software.

I see AI as a disruptive technology, with many dangerous ramifications, but I also see tremendous benefits.

smwhiskey · Senior Member

dorian wrote:
This means that AI is learning from itself. Over time this in turn means that AI will become dumber and dumber.

Does this mean if I ask how dumb AI can get, it'll see it as a challenge?

Are We Lost · Guru

smwhiskey wrote:
dorian wrote:
This means that AI is learning from itself. Over time this in turn means that AI will become dumber and dumber.

Does this mean if I ask how dumb AI can get, it'll see it as a challenge?

A good question. so I posed Dorian's question to Gemini. (The bolding in the response is as answered).

This is the million-dollar question in AI development right now. Researchers actually have a name for this phenomenon: Model Collapse (or, more colorfully, Model Autophagy Disorder).

The short answer is: Yes, if left unchecked, AI models will become "inbred," leading to a decline in accuracy and creativity. However, the industry is currently in a high-stakes arms race to prevent exactly that.

It then went on with a page or two of detail that refined the brief response explaining how the issue is being addressed. Try it yourself.

-- Edited by Are We Lost on Monday 6th of April 2026 03:17:06 PM

dorian · Guru

To address the original observation, over time we have seen technologies which have damaged music. We've all survived Muzak and subwoofers. I guess we can survive Fossil 1969.

Collo · Senior Member

dorian wrote:
To address the original observation, over time we have seen technologies which have damaged music. We've all survived Muzak and subwoofers. I guess we can survive Fossil 1969.

We may well survive Fossils 1969 but would you want to be an aspiring musician who has done their 10,000 hours to learn their craft to what ever standard with the occasional gifted person who gives us inspired music, or leave it to Joe Bloggs who uses ai to entertain us.

I worry that young people who thought about being an musician thinking "what's the point, ai has taken over"

Collo.

dorian · Guru

Collo wrote:

I worry that young people who thought about being an musician thinking "what's the point, ai has taken over"
Collo.

I guess there'll come a time when the law will require that AI music will require labelling to identify its origin, much like groceries. Maybe something like a "Made by Humans" or "Made by AI" sticker or sound bite?

smwhiskey · Senior Member

Collo wrote:
I worry that young people who thought about being an musician thinking "what's the point, ai has taken over"
Collo.

A young person who can shred riffs on a guitar will always be way cooler than a nerd, his computer and his AI.

As evidence, I've just checked with my kids. My guitar playing sucks and I'm most definitely not now and never have been "cool"

dorian · Guru

Not long ago I was challenged by a quiz which asked listeners to pick whether musical pieces were created by a human or AI. I don't remember my score, but it was probably 50:50.

I asked myself, would there be any circumstances where AI music would be acceptable. I think I could tolerate AI generated on-hold music.

Magnarc · Guru

Nothing AI can do will ever take the place of a world class Orchestra staffed by people who have spent years honing their craft. AI will never match the compositions of the likes of Beethoven and Mozart. Their works speak for themselves, still captivating audiences after many, many years.

This little Black Duck will never knowingly listen to anything it produces. We are indeed,living in a crazy world.

Phil, Double Bass and Keyboard.

Dougwe · Chief one feather

AI will never be as good as Queen, The Eagles, Pink Floyd or INXS. Never.

Keep Safe on the roads and out there.

Corndoggy · Senior Member

Given time AI will be every bit as good or even better than them. That is how it has be designed. Learn and get better, learn and get better, learn and get better learn and take over, take over the take over.

Ineedabiggerboat · Senior Member

Human data is getting scarce, pushing toward smarter synthetic data usebut with warnings that unchecked loops could lead to degradation. AI will replace some jobs but it will never have the capabilities of us humans. It scours the web and takes whatever it reads at face value. Even if completely wrong. There have been huge investments in AI companies and they cant all win and the survivors will have to divide up a very small pie. Losers.

Whenarewethere · Guru

rmoor wrote:
This system even edits Sh*te.....

Bl**dy A.I.

Don't even try to mention a Parrot with a Sulphur crest on here.

cockatoo

-- Edited by Whenarewethere on Tuesday 7th of April 2026 07:27:19 PM

Ineedabiggerboat · Senior Member

I knew a girl who had a ****atoo.

dorian · Guru

Corndoggy wrote:
Given time AI will be every bit as good or even better than them. That is how it has be designed. Learn and get better, learn and get better, learn and get better learn and take over, take over the take over.

I hope you're wrong. Songs are created with emotion and other intangible human qualities. Moreover, people hate to be conned or cheated.

Some years ago there was a pop duo, Milli Vanilli, who were outed as fakes after they were found to have lip-synced their songs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milli_Vanilli#Exposure_and_backlash,_1990%E2%80%931991

"(Frank Farian) insisted that Pilatus and Morvan could not sing and did not have the work ethic of musicians, instead spending their time partying and sleeping."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milli_Vanilli#Legacy

A Wikipedia reference describes their music as "disposable", so perhaps that's where AI has a legitimate purpose. That's if you're of the view that disposable music has a place in society. I don't want it, but that's just me.

I foresee that the coming generations will be extremely skeptical of everything they see or hear. This is the decade of deep fakes. I pity educators who now have the onerous task of detecting AI-generated essays and other academic works. AI can pass a law exam, so how will we be able to verify the real credentials of future graduates.

rmoor · Guru

Whenarewethere - how did you get away with typing ****atoo????

Well......they know where they can stick their A.I.

I am off tomorrow to 4 days of NSW Vets golf tournament, van by the river, fishing rod in hand.
No mobile phone, no laptop.
Also will be using an old golf card and a pencil - remember pencils???

Not that awful bullsh*t "Miscore" phone scoring app.

They can stick that too.....

I wasn't sure if the 1969 RL grand final score was 11 - 2 or 11 - 4. Balmain v Souths.
I looked it up and my first thought was correct at 11 - 2.
But A.I. had the try(ies), goals and field goal all wrong.
The score was Sid Williams (replacement for George Reubner) a try after half time, Len Killeen 2 goals, Dave Bolton (Eng.) a field goal.
Eric Simms a penalty goal. (3 point tries back then).

A.I. had Johnny Walsh (it was Joe Walsh) and Bob Spencer scoring tries.....
Walsh was in the second row and Spencer was lock.

So what is the point of A.I. being so bl**dy useless and altering history.

History I still remember well.
I can name that Balmain team from fullback to prop, so I reckon I am a sh*tload smarter than this A.I. rubbish!!!!

A.I. seems to be like the local gossip, by the time they are finished with it, it is an entirely different event.