Well that says a lot for their cultural heritage. Pay us some money and it's yours.

And for me it's Ayres Rock. Always was, always will be.

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If someone decided to lounge around or sit on a headstone of one of your relatives or friends at the cemetery or climbed up a war memorial or the cenotaph would that cause you any concern? They are all located on public land, open to everyone. Or is it just about our sacred places, not theirs?

People trample over my parents graves eveytime they walk around the area they were planted. Doesnt worry me. I trample all over their relatives/friends when I'm there.

Back over 50 years ago, Paddy Uluru was recognised as the primary aboriginal custodian of Ayers Rock as it was called at the time. He was quoted in the '70s as saying that climbing the rock is of not of cultural significance to aboriginal people and If tourists are stupid enough to climb the rock, they're welcome to it.

It was only in later years that claims of culturual significance came about. Further reading in Peter English's 1986 book "Storm over Uluru - The Greatest Hoax of All".

Edit: I see Rgren got in a few minutes before me with the reference to Paddy Uluru and his statement.

 

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Ineedabiggerboat wrote:

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How do you find an sacred site? With a geiger counter.

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 Proof that you don"t need a hundred words to convey a point.

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DMaxer wrote:

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If someone decided to lounge around or sit on a headstone of one of your relatives or friends at the cemetery or climbed up a war memorial or the cenotaph would that cause you any concern? They are all located on public land, open to everyone. Or is it just about our sacred places, not theirs?

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 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7239093/Aboriginal-elder-no-problem-tourists-climbing-Uluru.html

was it cematery or sacrid site before the white fella showed any interest in it? AYRES ROCK was a good bussiness supporting a few people

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Evernew98 wrote:

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Corndoggy wrote:

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Well that says a lot for their cultural heritage. Pay us some money and it's yours.

And for me it's Ayres Rock. Always was, always will be.

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 And who exactly was Ayre for whom Uluru was previously named?

Always was???

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 It was named by white fella after Sir Henry Ayers. It can be called Ayers Rock or Uluru. You can use Uluru if you like. I won't.  

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Interesting that Ayers Rock Resort has not been renamed.

Ayers Rock Resort

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 Will be now it's been mentioned. 

I read somewhere that the climbing chain and route was installed largely with Indiginous assistance.

Why is this bloody font so small?

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I have selected size 3 - 12pt in Advanced editor.

 

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Still using stolen flag, P&M.

Ayres Rock Resort has just been sold to an overseas corp for big money.

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Package deal with the port lol

The land surrounding and including Ayers Rock is owned by an aboriginal trust who represent the traditional owners. It was handed back to the traditional owners in 1985 with certain caveats.

The land was then leased back to the Government through the Australian National Parks and Wildlife Service on a 99 year lease to be managed as a national park.

What was sold was a resort. If you really want to get hysterical have a look at the number of resorts in Australia not linked with indigenous organisations that are foreign owned. 

I imagine if everything is just about money and not cultural ties then the traditional owners would allow people to climb Uluru and just charge them a fee for doing so.

The real reason you cannot climb Uluru is legislated. It was found to be causing erosion and damaging the ecosystem. Climbing is not allowed under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act. This act was introduced by Little Johnny back in 1999 and came into existence in 2000. It is reviewed every ten years to ensure it is still relevant to certain areas.

 

Although members of the tribes deemed to be the traditional owners expressed a view that they considered climbing on the rock disrespectful to their ancestors, it was the view of Parks Australia, a federal government agency, that determined it was environmentally damaging. It was based on their scientific examinations. Perhaps you could make representations to that department and after informing them of your relevant qualifications point out the errors in their findings.