Lidia: wherefore art thou?

Mike Harding · Guru

Lidia: wherefore art thou?

Cuppa · Guru

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-20/thorpe-says-pm-undermining-her-over-strip-club-altercation/102248466

Mike Harding · Guru

Well done Cuppa, a lightning fast response, you must monitor this forum by the minute.

However, I was talking about *radio* news broadcasts. Perhaps you can provide information regarding when and where they covered it?

Cuppa · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:
Well done Cuppa, a lightning fast response, you must monitor this forum by the minute.
However, I was talking about *radio* news broadcasts. Perhaps you can provide information regarding when and where they covered it?

No idea Mike, I thought the bit about her responding to harassment placed a slightly different perspective on the matter. compared to other news sources. Nevertheless not a good look for a senator. You're welcome.

dorian · Guru

Cuppa wrote:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-20/thorpe-says-pm-undermining-her-over-strip-club-altercation/102248466

I saw the same article in my daily news feed on ABC TV, but in that medium they have 24 hours to fill. Perhaps they didn't want to devote relatively scarce resources to yet another story about an unsavoury, contemptible individual?

Possum3 · Guru

Why/when did BLAK replace Black? as in printed ABC article.

dorian · Guru

Possum3 wrote:
Why/when did BLAK replace Black? as in printed ABC article.

Good question. Apparently, "Blak sovereignty" is the agenda that Thorpe is now pushing.

Cuppa · Guru

Possum3 wrote:
Why/when did BLAK replace Black? as in printed ABC article.

As i understand it ...... It hasn't replaced Black, it has a slightly different meaning adopted by some groups of Aboriginal people who's focus is more upon treaty first, & the Australian Blak Lives Matter movement. Something Lidia Thorpe is part of. (& thus appropriate in the ABC article). Considered to be at the more active end of the Aboriginal activist spectrum.

"Australias Indigenous (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander) Peoples have long identified with the term Black; more specifically, as Blak (or Blackfullas). A deep affinity with African-Americans in particularfrom the founding of an Australian chapter of the Black Panther Party in the 1960s to the subsequent embrace by Blak youth of U.S.- originating hip-hop cultureexemplifies a continued feeling of connection to a global Bla(c)k experience.

From https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/blak-lives-matter-indigenous-australias-solidarity-us

dorian · Guru

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Australians#Blak_culture

The use of blak is part of a wider social movement (as seen in terms such as "Blaktivism" and "Blak History Month"^[42]), after the term was coined in 1991 by photographer and multimedia artist Destiny Deacon, in an exhibition entitled Blak lik mi. Using a spelling possibly appropriated from American hip hop or rap,^{[citation needed]} the intention behind it is that it "reclaim[s] historical, representational, symbolical, stereotypical and romanticised notions of Black or Blackness", and expresses taking back power and control within a society that does not give its Indigenous peoples much opportunity for self-determination as individuals and communities.^[43] Deacon herself said that it was "taking on the 'colonisers' language and flipping it on its head", as an expression of authentic urban Aboriginal identity.^[41]

deverall11 · Guru

And to think people vote for this thing. Don't forget she was, maybe still is, a bikie mole.

dorian · Guru

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/07/lidia-thorpe-denies-dating-former-bikie-boss-and-is-cleared-of-wrong-doing-by-senators

Senator Lidia Thorpe has denied she ever dated the former Rebels bikie boss Dean Martin and instead alleged she was told by lawyers for the Greens to claim the pair had a relationship.

A Senate privileges committee report into possible obstruction of the law enforcement committee of which Thorpe was once a member has found she should have declared her links to Martin. But it found that the former Greens senator did not disclose any of the committees sensitive activities and that she should not be found in contempt.

The Greens strongly deny Thorpes claims that she was told to give an inaccurate story but she has asked the party leader, Adam Bandt, for an apology.

I did nothing wrong, Thorpe claimed to Guardian Australia.

I got ridiculed for something that I didnt do. I was advised by lawyers to say that I was dating that person I got advice from the Greens lawyers saying, You have to say that you dated.

Mike Harding · Guru

Cuppa wrote:
No idea Mike

Well... no, you wouldn't because they didn't.

Perhaps, for the ABC, Lidia, is to be elevated above criticism whenever possible.

Cuppa · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:
Cuppa wrote:
No idea Mike
Well... no, you wouldn't because they didn't.
Perhaps, for the ABC, Lidia, is to be elevated above criticism whenever possible.

Certainly is, if Sky News is to be believed.

RickJ · Senior Member

Touché and Touché

We only ever get what the people vote for.

Sometimes that result is not what those who voted expected.
At least this appears the thoughts of the ABC.

Are We Lost · Guru

The link to the ABC article provided by Cuppa is an attempt to deflect blame from where it belongs. Instead of focusing on the disgusting rant the article focuses on her blaming the PM. Even then, it hit the news a long time afterwards. There is no link to see and watch the vitriol that poured from her mouth. For that you need to pick a different news source.

Lidia Thorpe disgusting rant

ABC news at it again. As said by Mike, can you imagine the news headlines and endless repeats of the video content if such a racist and disgusting tirade came from a senator on the other side.

Cuppa · Guru

The raising of this topic - I think primarily to have a go at the ABC, has also raised the issue of who & what Lidia Thorpe sees herself as representing. I have taken it as an opportunity to better understand what that is.

The way that Lidia Thorpe conducts herself is such that she makes it easy for the many who want to criticise her. Who want to make it personal, because that is an easier target than what she is giving voice too. For that reason she is not an ideal representative for the Black/Blak Sovereignty Movement. However the reality, I believe, is that it wouldn't matter how sophisticated anyone in her position were they would still suffer the personal attacks. Her lack of sophistication, her roughness around the edges just makes it easier to ignore the message, to not listen.

I think 'Blak' essentially confers ownership - 'it's ours, not yours, & we can call it what we want to'. Makes sense to coin a different 'term' to underline that.

I went looking to see if I could find something which spoke of the movement she is said to represent to see if I could find something which bypassed the personal attacks & the the rough edges to try to understand the Black/Blak Sovereignty Movement. Something the ABC tried to do in this article, but in my view didn't really succeed in placing it's context particularly well.

Then I found this article which I think succeeds where the ABC article didn't. Written by someone whom I suspect understands, who has listened & has placed that understanding into a context that I at least found engaging. Hence my reason for sharing the link to it here. I hope others may also find it interesting regardless of whether it sits well for them.

For clarity, I do not have a position on the notion of Black/Blak sovereignty. I can see why for some it is important, & I also think that the idea of a treaty has 'emotional merit' but I fear that sovereignty movement might represent understandable but unhelpful anger in in the Aboriginal community towards us whitefellas, with a risk that there could well be an element of retribution which is unlikely to take us (Black & White) forward in the way I believe the Voice has the potential to.

-- Edited by Cuppa on Monday 24th of April 2023 06:05:05 PM

Cuppa · Guru

Are We Lost wrote:
The link to the ABC article provided by Cuppa is an attempt to deflect blame from where it belongs.

I don't think blame is very helpful, particularly when only one side of a story has been told.

-- Edited by Cuppa on Monday 24th of April 2023 05:32:57 PM

RickJ · Senior Member

Cuppa wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
The link to the ABC article provided by Cuppa is an attempt to deflect blame from where it belongs.

I don't think blame is very helpful, particularly when only one side of a story has been told.

-- Edited by Cuppa on Monday 24th of April 2023 05:32:57 PM

Just in one post approx 300 to 400 words in a post of reply is enough, or is it?

A one sided view is always what it is unless of course, the other side of the view is offered.

Screaming from a podium will fix it. ?? Or maybe not!!

Mike Harding · Guru

Cuppa wrote:
I don't think blame is very helpful, particularly when only one side of a story has been told.

Blame is most helpful, it forces people to take responsibility for their actions, otherwise they can do whatever they like and get away with it yet you seem to be encouraging that evasion.

Lidia had told her side of the story but it wasn't convincing to any but her followers.

The ABC *should* have reported in much more detail but it is clear they are running a political agenda and trying to cover up for their favourites as, I think Cuppa, you are doing on this thread. You're an intelligent man, do try to be more objective.

Are We Lost · Guru

From what I can see, the word Blak was introduced by ABC. From listening to her rant I don't think that was what her words inferred.

Cuppa · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:
You're an intelligent man, do try to be more objective.

Once again you choose to try to personalise this.

Apart from seeing her losing her temper & swearing what do you think you know about the story?

RickJ · Senior Member

Cuppa wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
You're an intelligent man, do try to be more objective.

Once again you choose to try to personalise this.
Apart from seeing her losing her temper & swearing what do you think you know about the story?

While some of the content may be conveniently ignored, it is a long bow that is drawn when one turns a reasonable debate into a personal attack.

Whoa! maybe not a personal attack as such but more a diversion as to what was actually said.

Here;

The ABC *should* have reported in much more detail but it is clear they are running a political agenda and trying to cover up for their favourites as, I think Cuppa, you are doing on this thread. You're an intelligent man, do try to be more objective.

Mmm!

To claim a personal attack is an easy diversion.

definitely food for thought and room for a more accurate assessment.

Mike Harding · Guru

Ignore: Cuppa, like Buzz Lightbulb, he always tries to claim abuse when he can't get his own way and shut others up. Why he has to shoot up like a rocket to defend any possible non loving statement of The Woke is beyond me.

The fact remains: a member of our parliament behaved like a fish wife and in addition got herself banned from a strip club for life (a neat trick for a woman) and the ABC largely failed to report it.

Cuppa · Guru

RickJ wrote:
Cuppa wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
You're an intelligent man, do try to be more objective.

Once again you choose to try to personalise this.
Apart from seeing her losing her temper & swearing what do you think you know about the story?

While some of the content may be conveniently ignored, it is a long bow that is drawn when one turns a reasonable debate into a personal attack.
Whoa! maybe not a personal attack as such but more a diversion as to what was actually said.
Here;
The ABC *should* have reported in much more detail but it is clear they are running a political agenda and trying to cover up for their favourites as, I think Cuppa, you are doing on this thread. You're an intelligent man, do try to be more objective.
Mmm!

To claim a personal attack is an easy diversion.

definitely food for thought and room for a more accurate assessment.

Inferring that I am not using my intelligence & failing to be objective adds nothing to the discussion of the topic. It only tries to divert from the topic with unnecessary personal comment.

Funnily enough you also have just ignored & diverted from the question asked which is very much on topic.

How about we remain on topic & leave the personal digs out of it.

Perhaps you might try to answer the question yourself.

"Apart from seeing her losing her temper & swearing what do you think you know about the story?"

RickJ · Senior Member

We all only know what we would hope the media might actually report accurately and in good time.

This hasnt happened within the bowels of the ABC which is supposed to be accurate reporting for ALL AUSTRALIANS.

Of course if you were there Cuppa outside the nightclub venue and by her side then away you go with the explanation but until then jump off the podium and give it a rest.

Southern Cruizer · Senior Member

MMmmmmm I think I can see another closed topic coming up

Mike Harding · Guru

Cuppa wrote:
How about we remain on topic & leave the personal digs out of it.

So, Cuppa: what is your response to the ABC's failure to fully report this situation?

Mike Harding · Guru

Southern Cruizer wrote:
MMmmmmm I think I can see another closed topic coming up

Well... I'd not be surprised. This is Cuppa's usual tactic; he creates mayhem in a thread he doesn't approve of and then complains it's off topic and should be closed. Management seems to approve of this behaviour. Personally, I'm getting fed up of it.

RickJ · Senior Member

Southern Cruizer wrote:
MMmmmmm I think I can see another closed topic coming up

Nostradamus.! !

The debate is valid.

So SC do you think that this entire saga was reported to the satisfaction of ALL AUSTRALIANS on the ABC. ?

Or do you think that this forum should be used as a platform for an individuals personal agenda when it suits.?

The OP suggested that the reporting lacked any backbone and obviously some agree and some dont,

A reasonable debate I would think but I personally find it interesting how these topics become closed.

SC do you have a view as to the standard of reporting on our ABC with regard to Lidia Thorps behaviour of recent times.?

Cuppa · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:
Ignore: Cuppa, like Buzz Lightbulb, he always tries to claim abuse when he can't get his own way and shut others up. Why he has to shoot up like a rocket to defend any possible non loving statement of The Woke is beyond me.
The fact remains: a member of our parliament behaved like a fish wife and in addition got herself banned from a strip club for life (a neat trick for a woman) and the ABC largely failed to report it.

Please stop calling me names, & claiming you understand my motives. ........ quit trying to make this about me.

What exactly are you accusing me of defending? . Not jumping to conclusions and not deciding guilt without evidence? I'll put my hand up to that.

I don't buy the childish argument of 'If you're not with you're against me". Sorry.

Now back to the topic wink

I have not once defended her behaviour. Quite the opposite. I have however said it is only one side of the story.

Apart from seeing her losing her temper & swearing what do you think you know about the story. That she was banned from the strip club? Is that it? Do you know if she was a guest in the club, or just a passer by accosted by lewd men, perhaps strip club employees who told her she would never be welcome there .... Oooh that means she was banned from a strip club?

Of course I am not putting that forward as what happened. I don't know any more than you do!

It was a limited one sided story utilised by SKY to show a very poor side of the Senator & to throw mud at the ABC. Anything else remains unknown. If there were more juicy stuff to throw around I'm quite sure that SKY would not have held back. For all we know it could have been a set up. I think SKY have been irresponsible with their reporting & that the ABC most likely recognised this & chose to handle it the way that they did, & SKY then tried to get some anti ABC mileage out of that. They would have been far wiser to have got a fuller story which the ABC would also report if their target was Lidia Thorpe. If in fact their target was the ABC they have maintained their reputation as right wing mud slingers.

ONE MORE TIME - her behaviour shown on the video was certainly not appropriate for a Senator.