Our Land Rover is petrol. No issues getting petrol in remote areas except sometimes getting 98. The car will take 91, it has a Ford engine, the car was designed by Ford as they owned LR at the time, but I always try to get 98 where possible for the extra range, did this also for our previous car. So in effect doesn't actually cost anymore.

 

Next car will be electric, have installed 3 phase in the garage in 2016 so ready for that, but still very happy with our 10 year old car. Perfectly reliable so no point replacing it.

 

The fuel price cycle is down again shortly so will also fill up all my jerry cans while filling up the car.

My 100 series diesel landcruiser aint going anywhere. Does the job, diesel is everywhere.
I am not buying a new landcruiser at 100K plus just to sit there for when I go on a trip.

Plan is to go electric(city car) and pump the money I save in petrol to buy diesel to feed the 100...Win win

Let us hope they don't cut diesel supplies earlier than they have stated(keeping an eye out on the telsa Semi)

Mixo

Govt says many things and changes it mind on a whim...

EV's are going to disrupt what we know and how it's done.First, it will be cars, then trucks, and then everything else.No one can predict how fast or slow this will happen.

Always keep an eye out for what is happening out there.

mixo wrote:

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Govt says many things and changes it mind on a whim...

EV's are going to disrupt what we know and how it's done.First, it will be cars, then trucks, and then everything else.No one can predict how fast or slow this will happen.

Always keep an eye out for what is happening out there.

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 IMO

it will be many decades before the last diesel bowser is switched off, specially by ANY federal govt of any team.

The Govt would have to be the largest user of diesel machinery and therefore fuel in the country, with all their separate owned corporations and Commisions.

 

Not sure there are all that many E powered tanks in the pipeline either,

I wonder what a E tank battery would cost, after bouncing around the country side and firing off rounds every so often

 

 And then there is private industry, from mining operations, shipping, transport, farming of all types and sizes etc etc  

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Diesel engines thrive on working hard , not the same can be said about petrol engines.

 Neil 

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 Absolutely! My little diesel V8 has 650nm torque right down to 1200rpm and all the way up to 3200rpm. Cheers

The cost of diesel is deliberately inflated to provide a *cash cow* to cover the huge spending ( read vote buying) of the govt.

The ACCC does nothing as they are a *Paper Tiger* within our system.

At 10 cents in the dollar it is an enormous revenue earner for the ones that are spending our money like a team of drunken sailors.

The rort of diesel prices is blatantly evident by the pump prices at some retail outlets as compared to others and before those who feel the need to jump down from their high horses, this enormous difference in the pump price from some outlets over others is not during a delivery cycle or a war in Ukraine.
As an example the diesel price has varied some 12 to 19cpl in the Whitsunday region since the beginning of last December.
Fuel from two outlets of different brands has been cheaper than some others consistently and predictably over two and a half months.

When diesel is $1.90 cpl at one site and $2.09 cpl at another then if we believe that this is not a rort then we could certainly blame the Ukraine / Russian war if your cat had kittens.

Mackay

Diesel 199.5  - 199.9

Petrol  175.9  -  179.9

 

 

Townsvile (higher transportation cost)

Diesel  most places @ 195.9

Petrol  most places @ 174.9

I think once things finish, stop or what ever in Ukraine diesel prices will settle down and return to some sort of sensible pricing, maybe around the $1.50/lt, well hopefully anyway. Pre the war it was around the $1.30/lt.

Hopefully for the sake of the Ukrainiums it ends soon, this insane war,
Ian

Roy E wrote:

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Whenarewethere wrote;

"Our Land Rover is petrol. No issues getting petrol in remote areas except sometimes getting 98. The car will take 91, it has a Ford engine, the car was designed by Ford as they owned LR at the time, but I always try to get 98 where possible for the extra range, did this also for our previous car. So in effect doesn't actually cost anymore."

I'd love to know how you get more mileage out of 98 RON petrol than you do out of 91 RON. Both have the same calorific value so how do you do it?

Further to the diesel/petrol discussion, in many vehicles, the diesel engine option is very much more expensive than the petrol engine, meaning that recouping the difference due to superior diesel economy is unlikely in the vehicle's lifetime.

Cheers,
Roy.

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Hi Roy. It is indesputable that the higher efficiency of 98, resulting in more km/litre, far outweighs the price difference between 98 and 91. Took me a long time to prove to, and finally convince, one of my exs that using 98 in her car was a no-brainer. Much the same as BP diesel gives better fuel consumption figures than any other brand that I've tested. Cheers 

Hi Roy. It is indesputable that the higher efficiency of 98, resulting in more km/litre, far outweighs the price difference between 98 and 91

 

In the words of the late, great Tom Petty, "Listen, it don't really matter to me, baby. You believe what you want to believe."

 

https://www.racv.com.au/royalauto/transport/cars/premium-petrol-guzzling-cash.html

https://www.mynrma.com.au/cars-and-driving/fuel-resources/which-octane-petrol-is-best-for-you

https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/why-premium-fuel-is-a-waste-of-money-for-most-cars/

Hi Mein, would you like to comment on yobarr's comment above.

The petrol comparison is based on different octane ratings - which can be scientifically measured and compared.

Not so with diesel fuel.

Every brand of diesel sold in Australia meets a set of Australian diesel fuel standards and the oil companies use additives to differentiate their product from competitors' products.

Diesel fuel additives are not unlike synthetic motor oil additives; some claim to lower fuel consumption (e.g. Castrol Magnatec Fuel Saver & Nulon Fuel Conserving motor oil), some claim to keep the motor cleaner internally, some claim to be able to extend the life of the motor, and there are other claims.

Just as yobarr swears by BP diesel, some vehicle owners swear by Mobil One oil (THE most expensive oil), others swear by Penrite, others swear by Nulon, and so on. The different brands use different additives which they ALL claim makes their product superior to other brands.

Actually, when I think about it, the marketing of diesel fuel, motor oil and toothpaste is very, very similar. Each brand claims to be better at this, that or the other thing but, in reality, they all do the same job.

On Shell's website, there is a claim that tests have demonstrated Shell V-Power diesel reduces fuel consumption by 2.6% but here in Mackay it's 4.5% more expensive than Puma, United and Ampol diesel so the claimed reduction in consumption is negated by the additional cost, and then some.

I have no brand loyalty. When I owned a diesel vehicle, I filled up at the nearest service station that offered the lowest price per litre. I didn't give a thought to the brand.

I'm the same with motor oil. I buy whatever fully synthetic 5W-30 oil is on special at the time.

I first got onto using 98 because my mechanic said put a few tank loads in the car. The car with a cold engine just a whisker now happy with 91. He never mentioned anything about increased mileage.

 

At that stage in life with regular trips to work I felt I noticed a bit more mileage. After about 5 tank fulls I went back to 91 for about 5 tank fulls. Then realising there was a difference.

 

Back on the 98 again we did a trip to Queensland, the same inland route using 98 there & back. Yep, we were getting better range.

 

If the price difference is too extreme I will use 95 or 91, I generally have spare 98 to thin it out anyway. After decades of observation I just now really couldn't be stuffed with the lower RON fuels.

 

If it is costing a few extra dollars a year I would rather give up the required number of cappuccinos. Both car & me are better off!

 

I have also never had a fuel related issue since, so there is a saving there.

Mein, could I suggest that you research "Cetane Rating"

Thank you for your suggestion, yobarr, but I am already familiar with cetane rating.

The Australian standard is 46. Some brands of diesels claim to be 50 - 51 and some premium diesels claim to be as high as 55.

Referring back to Shell's claim about their V-Power diesel, I don't doubt that their claim of a 2.6% reduction in fuel consumption has some factual basis but it's higher price negates the fuel usage saving.

Furthermore, Shell hasn't revealed the parameters of the tests they conducted.

A simple example would be ambient temperatures. It may well be that engines / vehicles consumed less V-Power diesel when operating at an ambient temperature of minus 20, or an ambient temperature of 45 degrees celsius but with no discernible differences at other temperatures.

It may well be that electronically injected diesels used less V-Power diesel but mechanically injected diesels showed no difference.

This discussion reminds me about the ACCC court case against the makers of Nurofen, which resulted in a fine of $6,000,000.

There was a Nurofen product for arthritic pain, a Nurofen product for rheumatic pain, a Nurofen product for sports injuries, and more, and they each sold at different prices; substantially different prices. Yet, they were all the same product!

And, of more relevance to me, but not an issue that Nurofen was criticised for, is that they were all simply ibuprofen.

I'm really not trying to convince you, or anyone, of any particular 'fact'. I answered PeterInSa's question by explaining my viewpoint.

Using another song quote, this one from Paul Simon, "I know what I know".

 

 

 

 

And........................ just because an Ampol or BP or whatever branded truck pulls up at a service station to unload, it doesn't mean the fuel come from that branded depot. I used to drive fuel tankers back in the late 70's, and during the 80's and believe me any brand can go down any hole in the ground. Not much has changed over the years. Fuel is what it is so when I need it, I pull up these days at the cheapest I can get wherever I am