Police training. Yeah, right. (Full post in Technical section)

yobarr · Guru

Police training. Yeah, right. (Full post in Technical section)

Santa · Guru

RE: Police traing. Yeah, right.

Mike Harding · Guru

Whilst I agree with the spirit of your contention Yobarr let us not paint every police officer as a saint and every arrestee as an evil criminal:

John

Ivan 01 · Guru

I totally agree Yobarr..

Then we have a band of detractors that by their action of crying calls unfair if penalised in favour of the perpetrators and as well as analysing every movement the police make while under the scrutiny of the old video judgement by mobile phone.

The police are trained in firearm useage and then given at the least a handgun to help them to protect us all. God help the poor copper that shoots someone.
He is dragged into first up a trial by media supported by the comments of the supporters of the perpetrators and then a trial by our courts where for the most part the judges and other court staff seem happy to destroy the police officers career.

We should and could ask ourselves why is this happening?

My view is that it is happening because to build prisons big enough to house these offenders the respective governments would actually have to spend money.
On the balance of what will buy votes, letting the group of miscreants back onto the streets seems to win over gaoling them.
Then we have the bleeding hearts that line up and tell us almost every day that prison and harsh penalties dont work.
I cant see how they would know or even base their theory on any fact.

Just look at any violent criminal and they all have a history of starting off with minor crimes then graduating to the more serious ones.
The bleeding hearts claim that they learn this procession through other criminals while in gaol well I would like to have explained for a simple but horrific example how when two perpetrators of home invasions are let out on bonds and behaviour conditions then they repeat offend and the next invasion results in the death of an innocent mother and wife by the murderous hand of these criminals. To make it worse they arent even 18 years of age.

One day this will be all too much for the normal population and god help us when we have reduced our police force to the standard of a shopping mall security guard or a parking inspector and vigilante groups then take over.

Strong and reliable Law and Order accompanied with penalties which truly fit crimes is the only way to recover from this threat and restore some safety in our lives.

rmoor · Senior Member

Fair comments Ivan.
I am really concerned when I retire soon and intend to travel my empty home will be safe in a high crime area.
Really worried about this as our crims here are super smart and we have two massive correctional centres nearby that are commonly referred to as the "revolving doors".
The same ones are continually given bail or no sentences at all and continue to break in, steal, deal drugs, burn out cars etc with monotonous regularity.
I hate to say it but when some high incarceration rates are addressed down the track we will have too many "untouchables" in our midst creating havoc in an unsafe society.
Have always advocated the "3 strikes and you are out" philosophy, with a couple of massive prison farms out in the bush in each state.
Buy 5 big properties and put the prison farm in the middle surrounded by razor wire. If they escape they have 20 miles of harsh terrain to get over.
Grow their own food etc, Cool Hand Luke facility if you like with 2 sheds, one with air conditioning, TV and a gym and one without. No buy-ups and no benefits, a bit like the respect they gave when they committed against their respective societies they had the privilege to live in.
The workers get the good one, those that don't want to work can have the 38 degrees in the other shed.
The problem is our bleeding hearts and gutless politicians go down the other road with systems that do not work, merely only protect society in short brief bursts.

dorian · Guru

RE: Police training. Yeah, right. (Full post in Technical section)

Aussie1 · Guru

Ivan 01 wrote:
I totally agree Yobarr..

Then we have a band of detractors that by their action of crying calls unfair if penalised in favour of the perpetrators and as well as analysing every movement the police make while under the scrutiny of the old video judgement by mobile phone.

The police are trained in firearm useage and then given at the least a handgun to help them to protect us all. God help the poor copper that shoots someone.
He is dragged into first up a trial by media supported by the comments of the supporters of the perpetrators and then a trial by our courts where for the most part the judges and other court staff seem happy to destroy the police officers career.

We should and could ask ourselves why is this happening?

My view is that it is happening because to build prisons big enough to house these offenders the respective governments would actually have to spend money.
On the balance of what will buy votes, letting the group of miscreants back onto the streets seems to win over gaoling them.
Then we have the bleeding hearts that line up and tell us almost every day that prison and harsh penalties dont work.
I cant see how they would know or even base their theory on any fact.

Just look at any violent criminal and they all have a history of starting off with minor crimes then graduating to the more serious ones.
The bleeding hearts claim that they learn this procession through other criminals while in gaol well I would like to have explained for a simple but horrific example how when two perpetrators of home invasions are let out on bonds and behaviour conditions then they repeat offend and the next invasion results in the death of an innocent mother and wife by the murderous hand of these criminals. To make it worse they arent even 18 years of age.

One day this will be all too much for the normal population and god help us when we have reduced our police force to the standard of a shopping mall security guard or a parking inspector and vigilante groups then take over.

Strong and reliable Law and Order accompanied with penalties which truly fit crimes is the only way to recover from this threat and restore some safety in our lives.

X2 100% correct. The judiciary should be ashamed of themselves. Likewise weak kneed vote getting policians.

Possum3 · Guru

Times 3, although many would say I'm not entitled to comment.

When you've been at the coalface you would understand why the good coppers are throwing in the towel - It always was a difficult job full of heartbreaking situations but, the big brass always had your back - now days the majority of senior officers are playing the political game and only has self-interest on their agenda.

Brodie Allen · Guru

If you are old enough to carry a weapon you are old enough to be tried as an adult.

And a directive from the "Premiers" should be forthcoming.

Brodie Allen · Guru

Everybody come to Queensland.

We have no coppers here.

3½ weeks since I have seen a copper on the roads.

Plenty of "hidden" cameras doing their work though.

And no roadworthy certificates for the life of the vehicle until sell time.

We're out of control. But they'll shoot to kill if they get the chance -
Likely because they are such lousy shots that they couldn't put a
warning shot into a non lethal area.

RickJ · Senior Member

Possum3 wrote:
Times 3, although many would say I'm not entitled to comment.

When you've been at the coalface you would understand why the good coppers are throwing in the towel - It always was a difficult job full of heartbreaking situations but, the big brass always had your back - now days the majority of senior officers are playing the political game and only has self-interest on their agenda.

Hi Possum3,

I would say that any comment from the coal face as you say would be respected and appreciated.

I agree with the others where it is suggested we need to come down hard on offenders. At the moment our judicial system is just a waste of time and resources.

We are seeing more now on a regular basis that second chances dont work and when that poor decision results in loss of anothers life then really the politicians, judges, and those who offer solutions that clearly arent working should all take a close look at themselves.

The police deserve respect and be permitted to get on with their job without interference from others and those displaying lack of respect should be charged and penalised as well.

Lets back off in policing police and police the bad people.