Rob Driver wrote:

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Here it is. 

http://www.genyhitch.com.au/

 Looks like an air ride hitch without the airbag or spring.

Might be ok on a truck towing vehicle. Maybe too big on an Aussie ute.

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 Because of the massive increase in TBO (towball overhang,or distance from rear axle to hitch point) you'd have to be a few cents short of a dollar to put that contraption on anything but the BIG yank tanks with their higher rated rear axles.The exception,of course,is the Ram 1500,which can't safely tow more than about 3000kg in standard form anyway.The device being discussed would reduce that low tow capacity even more.It may have a use for light boats,box trailers and the like,but in many cases it will just make a bad situation worse.Not at all useful on the popular twin-cab utes and the like, unless the load being towed is very light.Still,there's a sucker in every street.Cheers

oldbloke wrote:

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yobarr wrote:

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Rob Driver wrote:

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Here it is. 

http://www.genyhitch.com.au/

 Looks like an air ride hitch without the airbag or spring.

Might be ok on a truck towing vehicle. Maybe too big on an Aussie ute.

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 Because of the massive increase in TBO (towball overhang,or distance from rear axle to hitch point) you'd have to be a few cents short of a dollar to put that contraption on anything but the BIG yank tanks with their higher rated rear axles.The exception,of course,is the Ram 1500,which can't safely tow more than about 3000kg in standard form anyway.The device being discussed would reduce that low tow capacity even more.It may have a use for light boats,box trailers and the like,but in many cases it will just make a bad situation worse.Not at all useful on the popular twin-cab utes and the like, unless the load being towed is very light.Still,there's a sucker in every street.Cheers

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 Sooo, how MASSIVE is it? Looks much that same as any other WDH to me.

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 **** your a stirrer.

oldbloke wrote:

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Well, "massive" is a very vugue statement. Length looks no different to any std WDH to me.

If we are going to make statements like above IMO it needs to be "measurable".

So, what is "massive"?

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Really? You can see it weighs heaps. I could not see any weight specs but I would guess over 40kg. And the ball is a significantly long way back, far more than any WDH I know of. Again, no measurements available but I would say it would be over 400mm. This substantially increases leverage effect, thus more rear axle load and lighter front end. So it does the opposite of a WDH. What a horrible design.

But what is it for? How does it work? I had a look at the website. Not a single mention on what it is intended to achieve other than giving a smoother ride. Can you imagine how negligible that would be?

And the images on the home page .... what?? On all the photos the text panel covers what you want to look at. Was this website set up as a primary school project? What were they thinking?

But putting website and hitch design issues aside, there is something far worse. Does anyone see any fitment problems here? I can see several in this one photo. With that level of expertise on display how could anyone possibly have any faith in this organisation?

Want to have a go at the problems visible before I post what I see?

Thanks Stephen (Are we lost) for pointing out what is obvious to any person with an understanding of physics.Because I am presently working long hours on the Road Train,I couldn't be bothered explaining my previous posts,so thankyou.Cheers

Hmm a marketers dream 

An answer to a problem no-one knew they had. Put a fancy video up and no details is sure to get the punter in. I bet it is "cheap" too. 

The initial presentation being covered by the text is a bit of an over site, we hope it was not covering up something 

The increase in the ball position rearwards will be the most serious defect IMHO.

Jaahn

When I posted the photo a few posts back I said there were a few glaring errors.

Maybe things are more relaxed in the good old USA, so possibly accepted there. But probably illegal here. What I saw:

1. Chains not crossed over
2. Chains would allow drawbar to drag on the ground if the coupling became detached
3. Snap hooks instead of shackles
4. Breakaway cable attached to the chain, not the tow vehicle

Then, looking at that very solid and reinforced drawbar (must be a very heavy trailer), the chains look very lightweight in comparison and bolted to the underside of the drawbar.

Craig1 wrote:

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youtu.be/sMaE8XElYTU- 41/2 minutes?

I thought well only 4.5 minutes, then I thought, I have seen 2 hours of NOVax, I am not wasting any more time

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 A wise man..

yobarr wrote:

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PeterD wrote:

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 A WDH head is not particularly light, but this looks to have quite a bit more mass in it. In addition, the bars in a WDH setup negate the loading weight of its head with the uplift force they provide. The Gen Y hitch has none of that weight compensating advantage.

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Hi Peter,You do,of course,realise that the 35-40kg weight of a WDH increases the load on the rear axle of the car by around 60kg before it is tensioned? A WDH DOES NOT change towball weight,so people who fit a WDH increase towball overhang, increasing the effects of yaw,add 60kg to the car's rear axle,and then proudly tell all who will listen that the WDH has taken 100kg (or whatever) off the rear axle,when in fact it has taken only 40kg off that axle. (100-60kg).Better to buy a more suitable car or a smaller van.Cheers

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 Firstly, I did not say or have I ever said that a WDH changes the ball weight of a caravan. Read what I typed again. If you can not correctly paraphrase what I typed, I suggest you cease attempting to correct me.

Secondly your assertions on weight are way out. The WDH is nowhere as heavy as you reckon. I would not have been able to carry the kit home if it was as heavy as you reckon. That "40 kg off the axle" you quote is an underestimate as well. Please post the weights you measured on the rig you tested to get that figure. The chart below is an actual weighing done by Hayman Reese at a Victorian caravan show demonstration. The demonstration was done in the days before the later recommendation of less weight being added to the front wheels by the WDH, however, under modern recommendations the weight would be no where as light as you propose.

PeterD wrote:

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yobarr wrote:

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PeterD wrote:

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 A WDH head is not particularly light, but this looks to have quite a bit more mass in it. In addition, the bars in a WDH setup negate the loading weight of its head with the uplift force they provide. The Gen Y hitch has none of that weight compensating advantage.

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Hi Peter,You do,of course,realise that the 35-40kg weight of a WDH increases the load on the rear axle of the car by around 60kg before it is tensioned? A WDH DOES NOT change towball weight,so people who fit a WDH increase towball overhang, increasing the effects of yaw,add 60kg to the car's rear axle,and then proudly tell all who will listen that the WDH has taken 100kg (or whatever) off the rear axle,when in fact it has taken only 40kg off that axle. (100-60kg).Better to buy a more suitable car or a smaller van.Cheers

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 Firstly, I did not say or have I ever said that a WDH changes the ball weight of a caravan. Read what I typed again.

You wrote  that the bars of a WDH provide an "uplift force".What is this force,and where do you suggest this "uplift force" is applied,if not to the towball?

If you can not correctly paraphrase what I typed, I suggest you cease attempting to correct me.

Secondly your assertions on weight are way out.

Hmmmm. I would be most interested to learn where any of my "assertions on weight are way out."

The WDH is nowhere as heavy as you reckon. I would not have been able to carry the kit home if it was as heavy as you reckon. That "40 kg off the axle" you quote is an underestimate as well.

I said that although 100kg is removed from the rear axle,the NETT effect is only to remove 40kg because the WDH itself applied 60kg to the car's rear axle as soon as it was fitted.(100-60=40kg nett)

 Please post the weights you measured on the rig you tested to get that figure. The chart below is an actual weighing done by Hayman Reese at a Victorian caravan show demonstration. The demonstration was done in the days before the later recommendation of less weight being added to the front wheels by the WDH, however, under modern recommendations the weight would be no where as light as you propose.

 

 

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 Hi Peter.This "chart" keeps appearing with monotonous regularity,reposted by perhaps well-intentioned people with little idea of weights.As I have explained many times,it has been printed like this to simplify things as much as possible,so that newbies get a basic idea when they start looking at the universal cure-all of a WDH. Suggesting that towball weight is zero totally confuses those with little understanding.Many hours I have spent on this forum clearly explaining how a WDH actually does work,and I have been supported in my assertions by those among us who DO understand weights,such as Montie and Kevin Jut,who has developed a flash calculator to assist people with their weight calculations. Because I am presently working long hours driving roadtrains I cannot find time to search my own records,but I have explained at length,and indisputably,how a WDH works,and why a car should ALWAYS be AT LEAST 10% heavier than the van it is towing.These are a few of my previous posts on the subject,but they should help you to understand thatva WDH does NOT change towball weight. Never has, Never will.If you care to use the "search" feature at top of page,you may be able to find some of my detailed explanations?  For your information,the HR WDH that now lives in the back of my shed weighs in excess of 35kg,including bars,chains and tensioner,plus the handle to apply tension to the bars.I hope this helps you understand,but if not,I will spend time on my first day off trying to find more information from my previous postings on the topic.Many people who strongly disagreed with me initially have now come to understand that, when it comes to weights,I do know what I'm talking about,and they have accepted that  a WDH makes the car lighter and the van heavier,but TOWBALL WEIGHT DOES NOT CHANGE.PMs from some members have confirmed that they now understand this.However,it seems that some people are intellectually challenged and do not,can not,or will not learn. You can take a horse to water,but you can't make it drink. C'est la vie. Cheers.

Bobdown wrote:

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yobarr wrote:

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PeterD wrote:

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yobarr wrote:

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PeterD wrote:

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 A WDH head is not particularly light, but this looks to have quite a bit more mass in it. In addition, the bars in a WDH setup negate the loading weight of its head with the uplift force they provide. The Gen Y hitch has none of that weight compensating advantage.

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Hi Peter,You do,of course,realise that the 35-40kg weight of a WDH increases the load on the rear axle of the car by around 60kg before it is tensioned? A WDH DOES NOT change towball weight,so people who fit a WDH increase towball overhang, increasing the effects of yaw,add 60kg to the car's rear axle,and then proudly tell all who will listen that the WDH has taken 100kg (or whatever) off the rear axle,when in fact it has taken only 40kg off that axle. (100-60kg).Better to buy a more suitable car or a smaller van.Cheers

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 Firstly, I did not say or have I ever said that a WDH changes the ball weight of a caravan. Read what I typed again. If you can not correctly paraphrase what I typed, I suggest you cease attempting to correct me.

Secondly your assertions on weight are way out. The WDH is nowhere as heavy as you reckon. I would not have been able to carry the kit home if it was as heavy as you reckon. That "40 kg off the axle" you quote is an underestimate as well. Please post the weights you measured on the rig you tested to get that figure. The chart below is an actual weighing done by Hayman Reese at a Victorian caravan show demonstration. The demonstration was done in the days before the later recommendation of less weight being added to the front wheels by the WDH, however, under modern recommendations the weight would be no where as light as you propose.

 

 

 

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Hi Bob

 So, apart from all the other crap quoted, the red underlined bit says it all. A WDH  can help distribute weight around!!

Reply:- Please would you be kind enough to point out to us "the other crap" as all I have posted is factual information,useful to both newbies who wish to learn,and old blokes who are pig-headedly set in their ways.

If you are hundreds of kg underweight and not worried about a 40kg hitch turning into 60-70kg on the back axle, a WDH is a perfect tool for levelling a rig up.

Reply:-There is no requirement that a rig be level,unless perhaps if it has non-loadsharing suspension.Correct loading of car and van will get it level,if that concerns you.

Chris you have to remember not everyone is running close to max like you have stated in the past, some travel very light in their tugs and do not worry about towball weight.

Just give it a rest with the anti-WDH rant everytime it comes up, some of us have been using them for years.

Cheers Bob

Hi Bob.Shortly I will be down in your area if you would like to have a coffee and learn more about weights etc?

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Hey Guys, how about easing up, I just wanted to know about a "Gen Y Hitch" the rest is irrelevant.

Dougwe wrote:

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I'm with you Ian. Hope you are well and avoiding the germs.

I have kept out of this thread due to the usual Xspurts butting in but noticed your last reply and thought I would say my little bit. I actually looked at the video in the link and it looks sort off reasonable and can see what is trying to be achieved however, very heavy looking, adding a lot of unnecessary weight to the rig IMO. I would rather change to a DO35 set up or maybe even a McHitch (I leave my self open for the Xspurts with the McH though). With my style of travel etc I will stick with my old fashion 50mm ball set up.



Keep Safe on the roads and out there.

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 I'm  with you Dougwe 50mm ball does the job for me, with the mandatory WDH.