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RE: I can go anywhere!


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They were dropped water. Maybe they didn't have enough water to last until the place dried out. 


If you can't find enough water to survive in a flooded desert then you probably should not be there.

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>The registration of PLBs and EPIRBs is mandatory.

You sure?

It may well be for boats/aircraft but it certainly did not use to be for PLBs - although it's a foolish person who does not register it.



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Yes, registration of PLBs and EPIRBs is mandatory.
There may be plenty of water but it would be a bit like the Yarra River. "Too thick to swim in and too thin to plough".
It would not be advisable to drink it unless there was no other choice.
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If the travellers had done what is required of them and reported to the police BEFORE their adventure then the police, who have extensive local knowledge in all conditions, would have advised against such a silly journey until track and weather conditions were more favourable.

They should be sent a bill for any government or private services that have to be performed.

They could recover their costs by writing a blog or a book or even a UTube adventure film. No, I made no mention of support by sponsors. :) biggrin biggrin doh



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You have never made a mistake?
It is easy to be wise in hindsight.
They travelled right across the Simpson to a position west of the last dune, so clearly conditions were not totally unreasonable when they departed Birdsville, but maybe the forecast was a clear warning.
It is also clear that they should have stopped well before they did.
Reporting to police is not a requirement of travel but I understand they did and Birdsville police advised them not to travel. Doing so was an error.
Cheers,
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Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

You have never made a mistake?
It is easy to be wise in hindsight.
They travelled right across the Simpson to a position west of the last dune, so clearly conditions were not totally unreasonable when they departed Birdsville, but maybe the forecast was a clear warning.
It is also clear that they should have stopped well before they did.
Reporting to police is not a requirement of travel but I understand they did and Birdsville police advised them not to travel. Doing so was an error.
Cheers,
Peter


 Hi Peter,

If that was directed at me and my post immediately above then my only comment is that it is a very stupid traveller that ventures into that country against the advice of police.

In days gone by, the police information on conditions was a lot more reliable than many station owners who may or may not have wanted you crossing their properties. Times have changed things and many landowners now welcome travellers. It is a growing business.

The police like to know who is out there although in these more modern times most travellers might be assisted by outback pubs and homesteads these days.

In any case, this type of deliberate ignorance should come with a financial cost at least equal to the costs to drop supplies, recover people and vehicles and repair the track.

Most authorities do not want you on a track during rain, regardless of how far you actually got before you became hopelessly stranded.

It is a harsh country and should be treated with respect regardless of your experience.



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A cup of tea would have solved their problems.



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If they're reading this thread they might need a Bex and lay down by now biggrin

 

Edit....pushed wrong button



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They will probably talking to their Youtube followers, but looking at the top of their truck, their is no aerial, or sat. dish to do this, so that is why the sat. phone is needed. I hope they can charge the sat. phone, at least.

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Bicyclecamper wrote:

They will probably talking to their Youtube followers, but looking at the top of their truck, their is no aerial, or sat. dish to do this, so that is why the sat. phone is needed. I hope they can charge the sat. phone, at least.


 

 

No worries, I am sure they would be clever enough to have a generator on board biggrin

Extra fuel could be air dropped to keep it running. All with the complements of some government dept.

And why not I say, we need to support these modern day adventurers who find themselves in trouble no



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We do it for solo sailors.



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Hi .. Here's a link to perhaps the latest on this story   ..  From one of my daily free newspapers.   The New Daily .  Hope the link works.

 

Young family bogged in Simpson Desert could be trapped for weeks (thenewdaily.com.au)



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"No worries, I am sure they would be clever enough to have a generator on board"
They have LOTS of solar and would have no use for a generator, rain or shine.
Cheers,
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Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

"No worries, I am sure they would be clever enough to have a generator on board"
They have LOTS of solar and would have no use for a generator, rain or shine.
Cheers,
Peter


 

 

Your probably correct Cobber. Maybe they took on  board that generators are going to be banned  no biggrin



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The entire roof is covered by pv panels so no need for a generator.
Its a well kitted unit so they will have plenty of charging ability for the sat ph that they have been using to call family etc
They have received a 2nd drop on Sunday, assuming water and food.
As peter advised, no need to notify sapol.
But the internet is saying they spoke to sapol and ignored their ADVICE , not directions, to not travel. The roads weren't closed so they took their chances and will now pay thru the nose for the experience they have gained.
I suppose they could recoup some of the expenses by interviews and maybe a book
Not sure the date they left but the road has been closed for a while. Hopefully they didnt drive on a closed road or that will be even more expensive for them

Im sure Mt Dare will collect them for free (not haha)





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Plain Truth wrote:

We do it for solo sailors.


 

 

Well, hello sailor. You may do it for sailors, I don't   biggrin



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Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

The registration of PLBs and EPIRBs is mandatory.


Peter: I've searched long and hard but cannot find any reference to the registration of PLBs (as opposed to EPIRBs in certain cases) being mandatory, will you please provide a reference?



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Mike Harding wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

The registration of PLBs and EPIRBs is mandatory.


Peter: I've searched long and hard but cannot find any reference to the registration of PLBs (as opposed to EPIRBs in certain cases) being mandatory, will you please provide a reference?


 

 

Hi Mike, 

I do recall that when we purchased our PLB it was a requirement in the instructions that came with the unit that it was a requirement to register.

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Aussie1 wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

The registration of PLBs and EPIRBs is mandatory.


Peter: I've searched long and hard but cannot find any reference to the registration of PLBs (as opposed to EPIRBs in certain cases) being mandatory, will you please provide a reference?


 

 

Hi Mike, 

I do recall that when we purchased our PLB it was a requirement in the instructions that came with the unit that it was a requirement to register.

Cheers


 I bought a PLB earlier this year and registration was highly recommended.



-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Tuesday 16th of November 2021 11:11:21 AM

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I, too, could not find anything about mandatory registration of PLBs on land.

I understand that carrying PLBs is not mandatory for remote land travel, so I would think that registration is not mandatory either.
Nonetheless, I would think that someone prudent enough to have a PLB for remote travel, would have enough common sense to register the beacon, also.

You probably know that EPIRBs for maritime purposes are different, in that EPIRBs are mandatory for certain maritime circumstances and mandated that they be registered.



-- Edited by watsea on Tuesday 16th of November 2021 11:36:59 AM

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watsea wrote:

I, too, could not find anything about mandatory registration of PLBs on land.

I understand that carrying PLBs is not mandatory for remote land travel, so I would think that registration is not mandatory either.
Nonetheless, I would think that someone prudent enough to have a PLB for remote travel, would have enough common sense to register the beacon, also.

You probably know that EPIRBs for maritime purposes are different, in that EPIRBs are mandatory for certain maritime circumstances and mandated that they be registered.



-- Edited by watsea on Tuesday 16th of November 2021 11:36:59 AM


Love the thought process of people

 

It it a legal requirement to register PLB/EPIRBS With AMSA

Copied from their website 

'Once you've purchased your beacon, you must register it with the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA).'

 

Note the word MUST

 

If you still doubt it, call them to confirm it

 

 



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A police helicopter has been sent to rescue them before the hot weather hits them


www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-16/helicopter-heading-to-rescue-perth-family-in-simpson-desert/100623514


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SoloMC wrote:
If you still doubt it, call them to confirm it 

I did and you don't.



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watsea wrote:

I, too, could not find anything about mandatory registration of PLBs on land.

I understand that carrying PLBs is not mandatory for remote land travel, so I would think that registration is not mandatory either.
Nonetheless, I would think that someone prudent enough to have a PLB for remote travel, would have enough common sense to register the beacon, also.

You probably know that EPIRBs for maritime purposes are different, in that EPIRBs are mandatory for certain maritime circumstances and mandated that they be registered.



-- Edited by watsea on Tuesday 16th of November 2021 11:36:59 AM


Love the thought process of people

 

It it a legal requirement to register PLB/EPIRBS With AMSA

Copied from their website 

'Once you've purchased your beacon, you must register it with the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA).'

 

Note the word MUST

 

If you still doubt it, call them to confirm it

 

 


 Sure their first line states as you quoted but their information elsewhere is virtually nil about registration of PLBs being mandatory.  Mike Harding has made the confirmation phone call.  Refer above.



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Mike Harding wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

The registration of PLBs and EPIRBs is mandatory.


Peter: I've searched long and hard but cannot find any reference to the registration of PLBs (as opposed to EPIRBs in certain cases) being mandatory, will you please provide a reference?


 Technically, you are correct. 

Thank-you for your enquiry.  The Maritime and Aviation legislation mandates the registration of EPIRBs and PLBs.  If the PLB will be used on land there is no official land authority or legislation to mandate registration.  It is in your best interest to ensure a more efficient and effective search and rescue response that you register the PLB with AMSA.  Registration is free.  If you have any concerns about registration that you would like to clarify please let us know and we can provide some further guidance.

But why would you not?

Cheers,

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In this case, I guess my thought processing is similar to Peter's.smile



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Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
But why would you not?

I quite agree, everyone should register their beacon, that's common sense but it was your firm statement that it was a requirement which troubled me.

If that were the case then what would be the situation if one forgot to renew the registration? Would they ignore your beacon? Would they charge you the full cost of a rescue? What would be the implications?

I try not to make such assertive statements without being sure and having supporting evidence.



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Registration is good for 2 years., but it stays in the system, even when expired.
I expect thee are no implications of non renewal or even non registration except the inability of the authority to provide the same quality of service. And the quality of the service that they can provide is truly exceptional.
Cheers,
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My EPIRB is registered for the boat, when I have done remote travel, I ring up and get it transferred to the vehicle. Then when I return, back to the boat.

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There is a chopper on the way to bring the family out.
Forecast is for 40C in a few days, and more rain.
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-16/helicopter-heading-to-rescue-perth-family-in-simpson-desert/100623514
Cheers,
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Mike Harding wrote:
Ger08 wrote:

thats a serious situation


And that's where we differ.

I travel with a PLB (had one for 20 years or so) and two HF radios.

I consider the HF radios to be for "serious situations" and the PLB for "an imminent threat to life".

This is foresight - because I don't really expect anyone else to dig me out of a mess of my own making.


Each to their own opinion. Clearly the authorities were happy to get the family out of there and then let them sort the vehicle out at a later date.  



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