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Just went to fit a new Swap&go 9KG gas bottle and found it was different to what I've seen before.  The thread is pretty much the same as normal POL thread but not quite  the same as the regulator needs more force to screw in plus it only goes about 3 turns before it gets really stiff. There is also a type of thread on the outside.

You then turn the bottle tap on and no gas comes out!   

Inspection of the valve reveals what is possibly a valve inside the fitting which I'm guessing makes contact with the nose of the regulator and then releases gas, however there is no way you can screw the regulator in the far plus there is no tapered seal the match the regulator nose. 

It was from Bunning but of course no receipt so I'll contact them and also Swap&go. 

Anyone seen this before? 

 

Good Luck.

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It's the new standard valve/thread. We had a thread about it in the "Technical" section perhaps two months past. It should be fully compatible with existing systems.

I got one of the new bottles a few weeks ago and it mated with the hose on my van without issue - maybe you need to use some brute force?



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Interesting, that outside thread looks to be for and LPG quick fill, I haven't change my 9kg bottle in a very long time so yet to see, cant imagine that most regulators wouldn't fit unless they are as old as me lol.

 



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A quick search on Google would have answered it for you:

hotgas.com.au/bbq-gas-cylinder-changes/

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fwdoz wrote:

A quick search on Google would have answered it for you:

hotgas.com.au/bbq-gas-cylinder-changes/

 Tried that Bob - I tried the Swap&go website and nothing there , then googled POL fittings but no go so I did do my homework.

I figured if anyone knew it would be on this forum!!

 

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hako wrote:
fwdoz wrote:

A quick search on Google would have answered it for you:

hotgas.com.au/bbq-gas-cylinder-changes/

 Tried that Bob - I tried the Swap&go website and nothing there , then googled POL fittings but no go so I did do my homework.

I figured if anyone knew it would be on this forum!!

 

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Ended up using multigrips on the plastic handwheel to force the fitting on till I heard a "pop", so they do fit, after a fashion. Without multigrips I would have no hope and I did try other regulators so the thread must have been dodgy.

I note that HOTGAS say they have a warning note on the exchange bottles but Swap & go do not.

Thanks for the replies.

Good Luck.

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Mike Harding wrote:

It's the new standard valve/thread. We had a thread about it in the "Technical" section perhaps two months past. It should be fully compatible with existing systems.

I got one of the new bottles a few weeks ago and it mated with the hose on my van without issue - maybe you need to use some brute force?

 Correct. Same as the yanks.



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I was also unaware of this new fitting until reading on the forum.

I have sent an email to hotgas requesting; "Would you please advise if the bung fittings I use in current POL fitted bottles to ensure no gas leaks when transporting bottles will fit LCC27 connector. Will it be the case that bungs will be no longer necessary because of internal stop valve?
Many gas outlets require refilled bottles to have a bung, otherwise they will not refill bottle/s."

When/if a reply is received I will post answer.

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I can see a small problem here

As in a previous life, I worked around oxy and acetylene bottles, I always cracked the valve, to blow any dirt out of the female threads

As I once had dirt enter my caravan LPG regulator, I now crack the valve, to blow any dirt out of the female thread, of any new LPG bottle

If I was to try and do this, with the new LCC27 LPG valves, on the new gas bottles, I would only pressurise behind the valve

This would make it hard, to fit the line/pigtail connection

If someone had previously cracked the valve, on these new bottles, one way out would be to open the bleed off valve, to depressurise the valve

After saying the above, the easiest way out, would be to never crack the valve, on these new gas bottles



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Tony, that is an interesting observation. Is it feasible that just this issue accounts for Hako's difficulty screwing in the fitting? As he said, when tightened, there was a pop.

It would be a poor design if that were the case.



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hako wrote:

Ended up using multigrips on the plastic handwheel to force the fitting on till I heard a "pop", so they do fit, after a fashion. Without multigrips I would have no hope and I did try other regulators so the thread must have been dodgy.

I note that HOTGAS say they have a warning note on the exchange bottles but Swap & go do not.

Thanks for the replies.

Good Luck.

 Is this going to be the standard way to connect your gas bottle? Would think if your using multigrips to get it done up something is not right.



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Not at all how I read the original proposal. It was supposed to be safer and no pain or inconvenience. This bottle would only be on it's 1st or second outing ?

Always been a big no no to force gas connections to me. Not to critizize op as unknown circumstances.

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Here you go - took me ages to find!

Previous thread



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Thanks Mike. From the PDF originally posted by you it seems quite a short changeover period. From 1 October, bottles with the old connector are no longer permitted. The same for vans as from 1 April next year. Presumably this means no longer sold, rather than manufactured.

Here is a Youtube link explaining the changes with diagrams of the internals.

The different gas cylinder connectors

Back to Hako's original post, I am assuming the difficulty he experienced was due to gas pressure between the hand operated valve and the outlet due to it being turned on before being connected. Maybe someone with one of these cylinders could verify.



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I had a lot of "fun" with refilling gas bottles in south America. My bottles were US pattern, similar to these new ones in Australia except fitted with an overfill protection device, and the local bottles were similar to our existing bottles and I spent a lot of time gravity filling from one to the other. There were two types of male POL fittings with the difference being one had a slightly shorter nose. Didn't matter for the local bottles, but certainly did with the US bottle because the nose didn't open the safety valve. Guess it is possible we have the same problem here

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" Is this going to be the standard way to connect your gas bottle? Would think if your using multigrips to get it done up something is not right" What is the difference with the way we do it now. If the male POL fitting has a brass nose then you have to use a spanner to tighten. Not so if it has a rubber nose. I guess the US pigtails will eventually get here too. Easy hand tightened right hand nut that mates with the small ACME thread on the new bottle

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Hotgas representative rang me this morning and advised they will email me with their concerns - It appears they are not happy at the mismanagement of Govt. in mandating this change - Difficulty in attaching POL fittings to new valve is apparently widespread.
More to come when available.

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I think they're just giving you lip-service possum. The change was announced and mandated in most states about 18months ago and people (manufacturers, retailers etc) have known for even longer. So they've had plenty of time to voice concerns. It not going to be reversed and if anyone has issues with their current POL connection just replace it with to a LCC27. Within 12 months all new appliances require this fitting.

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