Victoria.

Possum3 · Guru

Victoria.

Mike Harding · Guru

It is a total mystery to me why people go crazy for loo paper?!

Because it's a staple I always keen a decent amount in stock, I don't want to bother buying a roll each shop and it's cheaper in bulk and even cheaper on special - so why not keep a 24 roll pack in the cupboard?

Dougwe · Chief one feather

I reckon this Covid Virus was, is or turned sooooo Political it just gives people the sh..s.

Keep Safe on the roads and out there (including the dunny roll isle in the supermarket)

Whenarewethere · Guru

Only a couple of weeks ago political messaging paper was half price at Coles. We replenished our stocks, about 100 rolls to clean up drafts!

vince56 · Senior Member

In these times of over-exposure of those who should be running the country I believe we need the extra loo paper.

The best laxative in the free world is listening to the Vic Govt explaining their latest muck up.

Kebbin · Guru

It was actually South Australia's muck up.

Trevor 57 · Senior Member

Kebbin wrote:
It was actually South Australia's muck up.

Exactly, and people need to remember that - it was S.A.'s dodgy system that allowed this poor bugger to contract it on his way out the door after doing his 14 days quarantine

TheHeaths · Guru

Trevor 57 wrote:
Kebbin wrote:
It was actually South Australia's muck up.
Exactly, and people need to remember that - it was S.A.'s dodgy system that allowed this poor bugger to contract it on his way out the door after doing his 14 days quarantine

It appears he wasnt on his way out of quarantine when he contracted it, but that a person infected with it and himself both opened doors to get meals within a few seconds of each other, and the virus had become airborne in an area of lesser air flow. It seems neither person was wearing a mask at the time.

The dodgy system as you put it is no dodgier than that used in the other states. It is just another unfortunate human error in the system.

oldbloke · Guru

TheHeaths wrote:
Trevor 57 wrote:
Kebbin wrote:
It was actually South Australia's muck up.
Exactly, and people need to remember that - it was S.A.'s dodgy system that allowed this poor bugger to contract it on his way out the door after doing his 14 days quarantine
It appears he wasnt on his way out of quarantine when he contracted it, but that a person infected with it and himself both opened doors to get meals within a few seconds of each other, and the virus had become airborne in an area of lesser air flow. It seems neither person was wearing a mask at the time.
The dodgy system as you put it is no dodgier than that used in the other states. It is just another unfortunate human error in the system.

That's my understanding. Everyone forgets, its a virus and very difficult to contain. Its everywhere now, like the common cold or flu. We just have to manage it as best we can.

And sitting at home (lock down) isn't some attempt to control or remove our "freedom". For most its just an inconvenience.

Whenarewethere · Guru

Trevor 57 wrote:
Kebbin wrote:
It was actually South Australia's muck up.
Exactly, and people need to remember that - it was S.A.'s dodgy system that allowed this poor bugger to contract it on his way out the door after doing his 14 days quarantine

Even I was surprised at the depth one side of politics goes to, to nobble the other side!

I believe to date no environmental air flow auditing has been done. I heard that simply placing two portable (1 for redundancy) HEPA air filter devices out side each hotel room door would reduce corridor aerosols to effectively zero.

If these simple measures were implemented with 5 minute staggered doors openings & simple rubber weather sealing around the doors & bathroom exhaust fan left on permanently, it would solve the aerosol transmission problem.

Yesterday on the radio is was suggested that this week of lockdown will cost $2.5b & many businesses that were just barely hanging on will not have any options left to get through this.

cjt55 · Senior Member

I'm just gonna make no comment and open the popcorn.

dorian · Guru

Why is it that COVID-19 cases keep turning up in aged care facilities? Do we now brace for more deaths amongst our most vulnerable? Is there any competence at all in these "care" centres?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-31/mystery-case-aged-care-key-to-managing-victorian-outbreak/100177220

"Contact tracers are still trying to establish how a staff member at the Arcare Maidstone aged care facility in Melbourne's west, a woman in her 50s, picked up the virus."

oldbloke · Guru

dorian wrote:
Why is it that COVID-19 cases keep turning up in aged care facilities? Do we now brace for more deaths amongst our most vulnerable? Is there any competence at all in these "care" centres?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-31/mystery-case-aged-care-key-to-managing-victorian-outbreak/100177220
"Contact tracers are still trying to establish how a staff member at the Arcare Maidstone aged care facility in Melbourne's west, a woman in her 50s, picked up the virus."

Not a lot. Just another profit focused business who don't care about the customers.

gdayjr · Senior Member

I worked for Arcare Aged Care in Warriewood N.S.W until June last year.

Whilst they were one of the better aged care companies i worked for, they also had their issues.

It was a brand new building when i was hired, with no residents at all.

It was about half full when i left them a year later.

Every single member of the design team, the asset management team, and Facility managers and area managers has now being terminated.

They did not leave, like me, they were all terminated.

The district manager was sacked after a ministerial visit found way too many issues, and the book stopped with here, and the facility manager.

I raised a number of issues with management, and after being ignored too often, i left.

I doubt Arcare are any worse than every other aged care facility on this country, and this is why there have been so many government probes into this industry.

I no longer work in aged care.

I have no doubt that most people who have family in an aged care facility, has concerns about a number of things.

How the virus gets in there is anyone's guess, but it will always come down to someone doing the wrong thing somewhere down the line.

The regulations that are in place, are sufficient, so long as everyone follows them.

Whenarewethere · Guru

Small world!

Our neighbour who we knew since 1990 & she was a switched on cookie to the end. In late 2019 she went to that nursing home & the last time we visited was January 2020. We were not allowed to visit after that & dropped off a few things at the front door.

At her own home. She was in her 90s & we occasionally got calls from her daughter in the Blue Mountains to pop next door to see if she was ok. We had a key.

I often went around & did very fundamental personal care doing my best not to embarrass her. It didn't bother me as years early I did it for my mum, she died at home (a privilege these days).

The foreign staff seemed to be nice. But this new building was such a depressing place other than the garden in the centre. Everything painted grey.

I can't comment on the political climate but can fully understand as I had it in a very large company I worked for decades earlier which ultimately self destructed a few year after I left.

dorian · Guru

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-31/mystery-case-aged-care-key-to-managing-victorian-outbreak/100177220

"Authorities have revealed that more than half of the residents at Arcare Maidstone have received at least one vaccine dose, a third of staff members have received at least one vaccine dose, and the staff member who tested positive had her first COVID-19 vaccine dose."

"On Sunday, federal Health Minister Greg Hunt said 53 of the 76 residents at the home had consented to be vaccinated."

"Publicly available data shows that during Victoria's second wave coronavirus outbreak in 2020, seven staff members at Arcare Maidstone contracted the virus."

Santa · Guru

Victorians, to their own detriment, seem to be a state populated by people who are unable or simply refuse to follow simple rules.

When as a result of the failure it all goes wrong they scramble desperately to offload blame, led by a premier who excels at the blame game.

Kebbin · Guru

Most states have looked into the ssir flow problem, what they have done is another thing. As you can see by the link that South Australia had a similar problem in December '20 and apparently learnt nothing. Now I'm sorry if you think this is taking sides in the great game for Narcissists & Machiavellian's but I assure you that is in no way part of it.

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/how-did-coronavirus-spread-through-hotel-ventilation-in-sa/12988506

bgt · Guru

The biggest single issue in Vic is that those responsible are too arrogant to learn from other state's. No one takes any blame. They then pull the lockdown trigger and blame others and expect others to pay for it. Yes something, it seems, went wrong in SA. But the fact that Vics own parliment house won't use the state's belated q code must tell you something. And why is/was Vic stock piling the vaccine?

dorian · Guru

It just keeps getting worse.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-31/victoria-covid-cases-lockdown-aged-care-outbreak/100177592

"Another Melbourne aged care home says one of its workers has tested positive for COVID-19."

"BlueCross Western Gardens Sunshine aged care home, in Melbournes western suburbs, has confirmed that a female worker tested positive over the weekend."

"Up to two residents at the Arcare aged care facility in Maidstone have tested positive for COVID-19, according to Labor frontbencher Bill Shorten."

Trevor 57 · Senior Member

bgt wrote:
And why is/was Vic stock piling the vaccine?

Where did you get that information?

Isn't quarantine a Federal issue, last I checked it was

gdayjr · Senior Member

At Arcare, no member of staff was supposed to work at another place of employment for this very reason.

Every current member was offered extra shifts to ensure that they did not have to do that.

Like i said, the rules will work, if people adhere to them.

Santa · Guru

This cartoon from today's Australian speaks volumes. biggrin

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bgt · Guru

Trevor 67 each of the state's are falling short on what they use v what they get. QLD only used 64% of what they had. Vic wasn't much better.

bgt · Guru

Quarantine is fed responsibility. But at the first federal cabinet meeting all states took responsibility for quarrantine. Why? No idea.

dogbox · Guru

Trevor 57 wrote:

bgt wrote:
And why is/was Vic stock piling the vaccine?
Where did you get that information?

Isn't quarantine a Federal issue, last I checked it was

quarantine is a federal issue but the responsibility to manage it has been passed to the states. they had plenty of places when it came to boat people, must be a reason they can't use those facilities

bgt · Guru

FWIW Vic has received 700000+ dose of vaccine. They used 400000+ of it. They are holding 300000+ "just in case"!!!

Inland_Sailor · Veteran Member

That'd be for the second shot to give the full protection of the AZ, 3 months after the initial jab!

Trevor 57 · Senior Member

dogbox wrote:
Trevor 57 wrote:

bgt wrote:
And why is/was Vic stock piling the vaccine?
Where did you get that information?

Isn't quarantine a Federal issue, last I checked it was

quarantine is a federal issue but the responsibility to manage it has been passed to the states. they had plenty of places when it came to boat people, must be a reason they can't use those facilities

it was NEVER 'passed' to States, the States took it on as the Feds didn't have the capability to do it, so the States stepped up to get them out of the ****

bgt · Guru

Trevor 57 you're playing with words. The states took on the quarantine simply because they wanted to control what happened in their state.
And pray tell where have the feds somewhere that they own and control? EVERY facility is in a state or territory. So the reality is that even though under the constitution the feds have responsibility for quarantine they in fact have no capability to run it because they don't have any facilities.
Trying to turn a bad situation into a blame game is counter productive. Playing with words and hindsight isn't helpful.