Good, I buy diesel and petrol and I pay a tax to maintain the roads - why should they be exempt? In fact some of these electric vehicles are quite heavy which could add to road wear and tear
The whole electric vehicle thing is a con in my opinion. What do they mine to make the vehicles, including the batteries - what happens to the batteries at the end of their life - what do they mine to charge the vehicles - it is all a load of horsehit in my opinion
They should be looking for more sustainable options - like hydrogen
Per k is discrimination for those who "need" to drive. Country folks may have 40k return trip to the Dr, supermarkets, etc. City folks have only a few k.
We always struggle with the concept that those who choose to live in country & remote areas should be entitled to all the services that are available to those who live in the cities, and at the same price.
The price that city dwellers pay include such things as overcrowding, congestion, smells & pollution, and these days, exposure to viruses et al. The offset of course is convenient access to services such as medical & live entertainment, shopping etc. and in this case perhaps less cost in road taxes.
We continue to live in the 'burbs in a home that is becoming more & more unsuitable for us as we age (eg. stairs & size- two people - contains all the usual stuff plus 5 bedrooms, two large lounges & 3 bathrooms, three outdoor living areas, workshop, shed, hedges & large yard to maintain). But we do so largely because of the location with access to things like medical care (including GPs & Specialists) , hospitals, public transport & shopping alternatives along with a dwindling number of good neighbours.
It would be great to live in the country but we choose to put up with our housing 'issues' because of the other advantages.
Once again for the cheap seats, fuel tax paid to the Feds does NOT pay for roads. It goes into general revenue. It's regularly calculated that *all* taxes and regulatory imposts paid by vehicle owners/users (fuel, registration, compulsory insurance etc) equal about 65% the amount required to build and maintain roads and this percentage been falling for decades (ie well before EV and Hybrid technology hit the everyday market). Far more importantly, this is an attempt by one state (but yes, others are watching) to reclaim state taxation currently controlled by the Fed Govt. The amount generated will be minimal and it's the principal of which government controls taxation and not an attempt to recover any perceived shortfall. This isn't me talking, as this tax has been in the wind for a while now and more has been written by taxation experts and economists than motoring experts. FWIW, it's my EV ownership experience, that many EV never really leave ratepayer roads (the ones maintained by local govt rates not State or Fed revenues).
Like Resource Rent Tax I suppose. Or Gina & other mining Co's Tax bill. Not to mention their off shore bound profits.
What role do the city dwelling FIFO workers or ripped off international backpackers play in generating that revenue/profit.
Thankfully we don't pay primary producers including miners any subsidy Ha Ha or create govt funded markets for their product .. like mega gas fired power stations.
Nor do we protect their Au markets for stuff like Pork.
At the price of local beef we might soon be importing it from South America...
The Chinese consistently complain that we unfairly subsidise our primary products. And they wouldn't tell fibs would they?
LOL
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It would seem to be a fairly stupid thing for a government to do if they are serious about about reducing road emissions and promoting electric vehicles. EV's are already a lot more expensive than a conventional ICE vehicle to buy, and not much cheaper, a lot slower, and a lot less convenient to refuel when using when using our limited recharging system. Top that off by making them 30% dearer to register and I think that Victoria will find they lag well behind the other states in the EV take up.
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Yes the charging time for an ELectric Car is the reason that I won't consider them, having said, I have just purchased and Electric Moped limited to 50kph, that will be perfect as I will only use it for local trips, ie., the shops, golf club and cafes.
I can understand electric pushbikes, mopeds and scooters, for inner city convenience but not cars for wider use over the huge distances we in Australia enjoy. The thought of electric powered semi's here is laughable. trevor 57 hits the nail right on the head.
At the moment this is not going to affect too many country people as electric vehicles in the bush at present are just impractical due to the lack of infrastructure.
Trevor has got it pretty right really. For hauling loads and for remote areas, hydrogen technology is the way forward with EV's serving a useful purpose of commuter vehicles in the big cities.
We should increase the annual $29b fuel subsidies. The recent $2b refinery subsidy is pathetic. The $0.03556 aviation fuel tax needs to go as well while at it. Hopefully it will make my business class travel cheaper.
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OK Tony tell me how far the supermarket is in the city v country? Tell me how far the hospital or Dr is? Everything the country folks do involves many more kilometres than the latte sipping city folks. To believe country folks can't drive a few k to get a scan or a covid test without being screwed by a kilometre tax. Bias shellfish attitude at it's worst.
It would seem to be a fairly stupid thing for a government to do if they are serious about about reducing road emissions and promoting electric vehicles. EV's are already a lot more expensive than a conventional ICE vehicle to buy, and not much cheaper, a lot slower, and a lot less convenient to refuel when using when using our limited recharging system. Top that off by making them 30% dearer to register and I think that Victoria will find they lag well behind the other states in the EV take up.
I agree. If we're to reduce the affects of climate change we need to get to zero CO2 equivalent emissions as soon as possible and electric vehicles are a stepping stone. They'd be fine in the cities but I think there's also a need for green hydrogen vehicles for long hauls. However, the green hydrogen solution is also a long way off whereas EVs are here. We just need a decent federal government to subsidise the cost of EVs. Otherwise, the sceptical boomers will criticise everything about EVs until death.
I can understand electric pushbikes, mopeds and scooters, for inner city convenience but not cars for wider use over the huge distances we in Australia enjoy. The thought of electric powered semi's here is laughable. trevor 57 hits the nail right on the head.
why would electric semi's be laughable , the things i've seen on the drawing board would be very practical on a lot of linehaul work in this county. they could be recharged by using overhead wire similar to the old trolly buses or electric trains no need to stop and recharge, just recharge on the run might not be all that practical in the out back low volume areas but on linehaul routes very practical syd - melb , syd -bris ,bris-melb, melb- adel, adel-syd adel- perth
Huge amounts of money are being spent on roadworks all around the country in the name of transport efficiency ie subsidizing roadusers. Subsidies come in all flavours and benefit all types of people from consumers to industries. It's not always about being green, sometimes it's about cost of ownership. Status quo is a losing argument.
It would seem to be a fairly stupid thing for a government to do if they are serious about about reducing road emissions and promoting electric vehicles. EV's are already a lot more expensive than a conventional ICE vehicle to buy, and not much cheaper, a lot slower, and a lot less convenient to refuel when using when using our limited recharging system. Top that off by making them 30% dearer to register and I think that Victoria will find they lag well behind the other states in the EV take up.
I agree. If we're to reduce the affects of climate change we need to get to zero CO2 equivalent emissions as soon as possible and electric vehicles are a stepping stone. They'd be fine in the cities but I think there's also a need for green hydrogen vehicles for long hauls. However, the green hydrogen solution is also a long way off whereas EVs are here. We just need a decent federal government to subsidise the cost of EVs. Otherwise, the sceptical boomers will criticise everything about EVs until death.
As I said in my post, what they pump out the 'exhaust' might be zero, but there i plenty of toxicity in the batteries, disposal of batteries, charging of EV - they EV thing is a Furphy, just to make silly people feel like they are contributing
