Grounded

msg · Guru

Grounded

Bicyclecamper · Guru

I don't know, but one thing is for sure fuel has gone up from $1.37.9 in just one day to $1.69.9 in our area alone. So 32 cents extra in one go. Must be because of easter , and maybe a freighter stuck up a canal somewhere.

bgt · Guru

We paid $1.299 yesterday for E10. When I went inside to pay the sign board outside jumped to $1.679. I was the last get the low price. The thing that annoys me is that the price reflects today's prices and not the price they actually paid for the darned stuff.

peter67 · Guru

The average price for petrol worldwide is $1.40 per litre at the moment so we don't do too bad but I think the price cycle is bs and remains because this allows price gouging over easter and xmas etc.

msg · Guru

Chances are getting slimmer

darjak · Senior Member

I only paid $1.239 for premium diesel today.
Hopefully were not locked down for Easter fingers & everything else crossed.

Darjak

Blues Man · Guru

msg wrote:
Are we going to be grounded again just before Easter?

-- Edited by msg on Saturday 27th of March 2021 04:01:58 PM

Yes we are.

bgt · Guru

Wouldn't be any politics in it would there?

Tony Bev · Guru

I do not think that politics had anything to do with Covid-19

I think that it is just the new normal

Covid-19 breaks out somewhere (it could break out anywhere), and not far behind it, comes some sort of ring fence/lockdown, to try and contain it

I do feel sorry, for all those who have been caught up, in ring fence/lockdown scenario, and may/may not, have their Easter holidays spoiled

But, in my opinion

It is what it is, and perhaps the easiest way out, in the long run, is to just knuckle down

bgt · Guru

So forever we can expect to be locked down every time there are just a handful of cases?

Tony Bev · Guru

To reply to the snip below

So forever we can expect to be locked down every time there are just a handful of cases?

I can not think of a better plan, than to ring-fence/lockdown, to contain a community outbreak

The problem is, (going from memory here), Christmas 2019, there were a few (handful), cases of Covid-19, in a far away land

These handful of cases, spread and reached other countries, and eventually Australia

Some countries decided, (for whatever reasons), not to ring-fence/lockdown, until it was very nearly too late

The main problem of not ring-fence/lockdown, for a handful of cases, is that we do not know, if these handful of cases, will keep spreading

All we know for certainty, is that by the time someone has some symptoms, they may have already passed it on, to someone else

yobarr · Guru

bgt wrote:
So forever we can expect to be locked down every time there are just a handful of cases?

Hi Bruce...I suspect,and indeed expect,so.You might like to consider the analogy of rabbits breeding? In one year,a family of two rabbits (he and she) can grow to more than 50.When you get one infected person holding a party for 25 "mates",all hell will break loose.Cheers

bgt · Guru

Tony Bev covid is going to be with us for years. If not forever. So if we follow your strategy there will be no economy to pay the taxes that pay for all the things we come to expect. We have learned to live with and manage many diseases. Why can't we learn to live with covid? I see this attitude as "I'm ok and bugger everyone else".

bgt · Guru

Fact. There was no party for 25 people. This is the problem. They believed all the BS that has been fed to them and cant sort the facts from the scare campaign.

yobarr · Guru

bgt wrote:
Fact. There was no party for 25 people. This is the problem. They believed all the BS that has been fed to them and cant sort the facts from the scare campaign.

My comment was in no way intended to reference the claimed "party for 25",but was merely an attempt to highlight the stupidity of ignoring "just a handful of cases".Cheers

montie · Guru

Guys..we have a vaccine. Roll it out and this virus, the same as the flu will be under control.

In QLD we vaccinated 43000 front line workers including nurses and doctors and yet we allowed 2 unvaccinated health professionals to treat covid infected patients.

We only have ourselves to blame for this new outbreak!

erad · Guru

A general misconception is that the vaccine will stop you getting infected with the virus. IT WILL NOT! It will reduce the severity of the infection nd also reduce the probability of spreading the disease to others, but you can still catch the virus even after getting the jabs. And, of course, the virus is mutating all the time, so by the end of this year it is quite possible that the vaccine will not be effective against the newer strains or the virus which are yet to come out. But bring on the vaccine ASAP - hopefully it will offer us some immunity.

A lot of criticism has been laid here and elsewhere about unnecessary lockdowns eg in rural NSW, WA, SA or anywhere where there were no cases reported. Imagine the effect on a small town of say 200 people if someone got the virus. Virtually all the town population would get it as well, and that would totally overcome the local medical services ability to treat these people. The only effective way to even start to control this virus is to ISOLATE it, and a lockdown is the most effective way to minimise exposure to strangers and possibly infected people. Yes - lockdowns are a damned nuisance and cost heaps of money in lost production etc, but what is the cost to the community of there is a USA style outbreak here? We are in for a long hard time yet to come....

The only way to improve the management of this virus is for the Commonwealth to take over all management of the Health portfolios in all states and apply a consistent uniform policy Australia wide.

montie · Guru

erad wrote:
A general misconception is that the vaccine will stop you getting infected with the virus. IT WILL NOT! It will reduce the severity of the infection nd also reduce the probability of spreading the disease to others, but you can still catch the virus even after getting the jabs. And, of course, the virus is mutating all the time, so by the end of this year it is quite possible that the vaccine will not be effective against the newer strains or the virus which are yet to come out. But bring on the vaccine ASAP - hopefully it will offer us some immunity.

A lot of criticism has been laid here and elsewhere about unnecessary lockdowns eg in rural NSW, WA, SA or anywhere where there were no cases reported. Imagine the effect on a small town of say 200 people if someone got the virus. Virtually all the town population would get it as well, and that would totally overcome the local medical services ability to treat these people. The only effective way to even start to control this virus is to ISOLATE it, and a lockdown is the most effective way to minimise exposure to strangers and possibly infected people. Yes - lockdowns are a damned nuisance and cost heaps of money in lost production etc, but what is the cost to the community of there is a USA style outbreak here? We are in for a long hard time yet to come....

The only way to improve the management of this virus is for the Commonwealth to take over all management of the Health portfolios in all states and apply a consistent uniform policy Australia wide.

We can only dig with the shovel we've got!

Your theory is good, but pie in the sky.

Let's deal with the reality....and we'll get there.

-- Edited by montie on Tuesday 30th of March 2021 09:27:03 PM

bgt · Guru

erad I agree totally with your last paragraph. As for lock downs don't tell those in the UK that they work. Don't tell those in NZ they work. etc. No one wants to face up to the facts of what lock downs cost. Stress. Suicides. Missed doctor check ups. Broken families. When we have decided to live with and manage covid we will still be living with all the long term consequences. It's a case "I'm alright and to he'll with everyone else". As pointed out above. The vaccine isn't designed to stop the spread. So what do we do? Lock ourselves away until all contagious diseases are eliminated?

montie · Guru

bgt wrote:
erad I agree totally with your last paragraph. As for lock downs don't tell those in the UK that they work. Don't tell those in NZ they work. etc. No one wants to face up to the facts of what lock downs cost. Stress. Suicides. Missed doctor check ups. Broken families. When we have decided to live with and manage covid we will still be living with all the long term consequences. It's a case "I'm alright and to he'll with everyone else". As pointed out above. The vaccine isn't designed to stop the spread. So what do we do? Lock ourselves away until all contagious diseases are eliminated?

Nah mate, get your covid and flu vaccine and move on!

Aussie1 · Guru

montie wrote:
bgt wrote:
erad I agree totally with your last paragraph. As for lock downs don't tell those in the UK that they work. Don't tell those in NZ they work. etc. No one wants to face up to the facts of what lock downs cost. Stress. Suicides. Missed doctor check ups. Broken families. When we have decided to live with and manage covid we will still be living with all the long term consequences. It's a case "I'm alright and to he'll with everyone else". As pointed out above. The vaccine isn't designed to stop the spread. So what do we do? Lock ourselves away until all contagious diseases are eliminated?
Nah mate, get your covid and flu vaccine and move on!

Agree Montie. Spot on.

Tony Bev · Guru

bgt wrote:
Tony Bev covid is going to be with us for years. If not forever. So if we follow your strategy there will be no economy to pay the taxes that pay for all the things we come to expect. We have learned to live with and manage many diseases. Why can't we learn to live with covid? I see this attitude as "I'm ok and bugger everyone else".

Question
Tony Bev covid is going to be with us for years. If not forever. So if we follow your strategy there will be no economy to pay the taxes that pay for all the things we come to expect

Answer
By ring-fencing/locking down, the places where Covid-19 breaks out, it gives other Covid-19 free places, a chance to keep their economy ticking over
For example, when Western Australia closed it borders, to everyone who did not have a permit, and ring-fenced the locals to stay within their geographical areas
The main economy did not stop, some businesses which relied on overseas/out of state tourism, were hit hard.

Question
We have learned to live with and manage many diseases. Why can't we learn to live with covid?

Answer
Covid-19 is not a normal event
I believe very recent history has shown, some of those countries which tried to live with it, did not do very well from having it
The quote (or similar words) "It is a hoax, it will go away when the warmer weather comes." From the greatest leader, of the greatest country, comes to mind

You are entitled to your opinion of
I see this attitude as "I'm ok and bugger everyone else".
But you are reading me wrong, I always try to put out facts as I see them
My opinion is, that it is those who are willing to forgo the health of their country, to keep their wealth, who are the "I'm alright Jack and bugger everyone else"

Izabarack · Guru

When there are only a few cases is the time for a 3 day lockdown. As explained lots by Qld authorities, a short lockdown gives the contract traces time to do the contract tracing before the resource is swamped. Yes, lots of small business will be hurt, money wise. Small business would be devastated if the outbreak got out of control. Nobody around me is whinging about the lockdown because the alternative is far, far worse.

msg · Guru

I just find it interesting that every time a there is a major Australian holiday coming up we get a lockdown. You can bet things will go back to normal immediately after and the next big scare will be Anzac Day.

Or is this payback to Aust govt for ending Job Keeper?

Just think what life will be like when they have eliminated all the coffee shops. Won't be long at this rate.

Wendy's, Muffin Break, Michel's & Donut King have disappeared from our local shopping mall. In fact a lot of the businesses that were familiar old Australian businesses have been replaced. Cannot buy a toasted cheese sandwich, a thick shake or a hot dog anymore. Cannot buy those frozen drinks anymore either. Dreadfully unhealthy stuff and I'm not allowed to have them anyway, but....apparently as a population, we are not getting any healthier or skinnier.

-- Edited by msg on Wednesday 31st of March 2021 11:33:41 AM

bgt · Guru

Folks who aren't affected don't mind the lockdown because they have skin in the game. State's, and the feds, have had 12 months to get their house in order. Vic said they had the "gold standard" then it backfired. Only a short while ago QLD said there would be no more lock downs. Governments and public servants are making it up as they go. And NONE of them have lost 1 cent while they are stuffing around. WAs economy looks good only because of Job seeker and Job keeper. And to that iron ore prices. Then rest of their economy is all smoke and mirrors. Covid has become a political tool.

msg · Guru

bgt wrote:
Folks who aren't affected don't mind the lockdown because they have skin in the game. State's, and the feds, have had 12 months to get their house in order. Vic said they had the "gold standard" then it backfired. Only a short while ago QLD said there would be no more lock downs. Governments and public servants are making it up as they go. And NONE of them have lost 1 cent while they are stuffing around. WAs economy looks good only because of Job seeker and Job keeper. And to that iron ore prices. Then rest of their economy is all smoke and mirrors. Covid has become a political tool.

Big time

Magnarc · Guru

We can all be grateful that bgt and msg are not in a position of power, political or otherwise. Some people can't see further than their nose unforunately. No further comment from me.

(shotguns at the ready!)

msg · Guru

You are saying Magnarc? Motherhood statements do not mean a thing.

Rob Driver · Guru

Listening to the Qld Health Minister this morning and she said that the last outbreak of Covid in Qld can be traced back to two people.

Eight cases linked to one return traveller from Europe and eleven cases linked to one return traveller from India.

These two people and those who let them in have cost thousands of Aussie jobs, thousands of cancelled travel plans, tonnes of food that was ordered for catering being wasted and an entire state having to re adjust activities and an entire country having to re assess the hotspot situations and apply restrictions as required as well as countless other problems and costs.
They also placed entire medical and hospital staff at risk.
They caused tens of thousands of tests for people.
This should also include the outbreak in Byron Bay.

All cases inevitably are traced back to people coming into this country from overseas.
Close the gate until the vaccine has had a fair go with the roll out.

A blind man could see the practicality in this.
Having the international borders open cannot be worth it.

Being grounded is only a part of the problem

Regards

Angie

bgt · Guru

So let us cut ourselves off from the rest of the world. Simple hey? No Australians allowed to return home. No air traffic. Passenger or freight. No ships. Nothing. Yup. Very simplistic view. Doing nothing is easy. Anyone can do it.