It ceases to amaze me why the speed some people have to go when towing whatever.
We come back today from the South Coast towing today our empty trailer. I have said before I do not speed, remain well within the speed limit because I can't afford fines.
But it still ceases to still amaze me how many vans passed us today who had to be 110 plus to get away from us. One single axle, very new caravan was wobbling all over the place, very close to tail wag and I did speed up somewhat to get away from him. Didn't want to sit behind him in case something happened.  This was on the Hume Hwy southbound
My rant finished now.
Sincerely hope this elderly couple come out the other side of this ok

JayDee wrote:

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A huge percentage of caravan travellers are most like retired and just out and about touring.
Why they have to speed is beyond my understanding.
As I have typed many times, if our rig climbs above 90 k's I ease of the pedal.

The scary issue is the number of single-axle vans that overtake us doing I am guessing around 100k's plus.
After all, as I said you are most likely retired or on holidays.

Jay&Dee

Slow down and enjoy the scenery and the company in the rig with you.

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It wasn't the caravanner that was speeding.  It was some idiot overtaking them. Ran them off the road. 

So Bruce, who forced the van off the road??????  Some of your views are at odds with the facts to say the least. There are so many witnesses to this crash.

Mansfield Police issued the following statement....

"Investigators believe that a black Toyota Landcruiser towing a bright green ski boat on a black trailer overtook the couples silver Subaru Forrester on the Mansfield/ Woods Point Road about 11.15am.

It is believed that the the driver of the Toyota clipped the 73 yr old man and 71 yr old woman in their car forcing them off the road when their vehicle and caravan burst into flames."

Where do you think that this information came from Bruce?? Dare I say witnesses?. Having read most of your posts since you arrived on the scene in 2019, I have to say that your "logic" at times, leaves a lot to be desired. I note that you feel compelled to post on almost every topic, I can only conclude from this that you have far too much time on your hands.

No further comment.

I wish the elderly couple well and hope that they recover quickly AND are not put off going caravanning again assuming that even with insurance, and perhaps no fault on their part, they will still incur monetary costs to themselves. No matter what cover you have you always come up short in time and money, and if it's proven you are not at your fault it's a bitter pill to swallow. Dash cams can eliminate a lot of he said she said, I'm betting there is some footage that is being examined if there were so many witnesses. I've fitted a little garmin mini dash cam. Two of my brothers have been driving large semi's most of their lives and tell me a lot of truckers are now fitting them not just so they look forward but hanging them off mirrors etc facing rearwards.

Greg 1  I think in WA according to the law you are not supposed to travel slower than 10%(unless towing or some other mandated reason) of the posted limit, it's a finable offence particularly for right line huggers on dual carriage ways in the city. I've been guilty many times in younger days of fuming while stuck behind a long line of cars following an old camper bus towing a small 4x4 as well, and struggling to average 80kph in a 110kph zone on busy long weekend getaways, especially when we got to a slight hill and now we are all doing 50kph. Now I'm only guilty :) of raging at people who tow double horse floats at 80 to 90kph on single lane country highways with V8 land cruisers and long lines of traffic behind them...guess what a lot of them do when a specially made and signposted overtaking lane comes up?

ps does being a keyboard warrior and road raging have anything in common?

pps what laws in the eastern states relate to minimum speeds on busy 110kph roads over there

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I wish the elderly couple well and hope that they recover quickly AND are not put off going caravanning again assuming that even with insurance, and perhaps no fault on their part, they will still incur monetary costs to themselves. No matter what cover you have you always come up short in time and money, and if it's proven you are not at your fault it's a bitter pill to swallow. Dash cams can eliminate a lot of he said she said, I'm betting there is some footage that is being examined if there were so many witnesses. I've fitted a little garmin mini dash cam. Two of my brothers have been driving large semi's most of their lives and tell me a lot of truckers are now fitting them not just so they look forward but hanging them off mirrors etc facing rearwards.

Greg 1  I think in WA according to the law you are not supposed to travel slower than 10%(unless towing or some other mandated reason) of the posted limit, it's a finable offence particularly for right line huggers on dual carriage ways in the city. I've been guilty many times in younger days of fuming while stuck behind a long line of cars following an old camper bus towing a small 4x4 as well, and struggling to average 80kph in a 110kph zone on busy long weekend getaways, especially when we got to a slight hill and now we are all doing 50kph. Now I'm only guilty :) of raging at people who tow double horse floats at 80 to 90kph on single lane country highways with V8 land cruisers and long lines of traffic behind them...guess what a lot of them do when a specially made and signposted overtaking lane comes up?

ps does being a keyboard warrior and road raging have anything in common?

pps what laws in the eastern states relate to minimum speeds on busy 110kph roads over there

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 It is not a percentage limit, it is set at 20kph of the posted speed limit, so on a main highway with a speed limit of 110 kph, that means 90 kph etc

gdayjr wrote:

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peter67 wrote:

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I wish the elderly couple well and hope that they recover quickly AND are not put off going caravanning again assuming that even with insurance, and perhaps no fault on their part, they will still incur monetary costs to themselves. No matter what cover you have you always come up short in time and money, and if it's proven you are not at your fault it's a bitter pill to swallow. Dash cams can eliminate a lot of he said she said, I'm betting there is some footage that is being examined if there were so many witnesses. I've fitted a little garmin mini dash cam. Two of my brothers have been driving large semi's most of their lives and tell me a lot of truckers are now fitting them not just so they look forward but hanging them off mirrors etc facing rearwards.

Greg 1  I think in WA according to the law you are not supposed to travel slower than 10%(unless towing or some other mandated reason) of the posted limit, it's a finable offence particularly for right line huggers on dual carriage ways in the city. I've been guilty many times in younger days of fuming while stuck behind a long line of cars following an old camper bus towing a small 4x4 as well, and struggling to average 80kph in a 110kph zone on busy long weekend getaways, especially when we got to a slight hill and now we are all doing 50kph. Now I'm only guilty :) of raging at people who tow double horse floats at 80 to 90kph on single lane country highways with V8 land cruisers and long lines of traffic behind them...guess what a lot of them do when a specially made and signposted overtaking lane comes up?

ps does being a keyboard warrior and road raging have anything in common?

pps what laws in the eastern states relate to minimum speeds on busy 110kph roads over there

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 It is not a percentage limit, it is set at 20kph of the posted speed limit, so on a main highway with a speed limit of 110 kph, that means 90 kph etc

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Thanks for Peter67, and gdayir, for bringing this up

I for one, was unaware of any minimum speed limit, and I will assume that others also, may not have known this info

I would also like to hear, if there are any minimum speed limits in other States/Territories

I also wish the elderly couple a speedy recovery

Snip from article

Link to article (West Australian Police)

https://www.police.wa.gov.au/FAQ?faq=Is-there-a-minimum-speed-limit&q=f3936071-2097-426d-b701-4481f4cbb9a3

I think you will find that in Western Australia there is road rule about travelling no less than 20kph under the speed limit if the limit is over 100kph. This is subject to several caveats such as conditions at the time and other prevailing circumstances.

To the best of my knowledge this does not apply in NSW even though it is in the National Road Rules. If you were tootling along at 20kph in an 80 kph zone you may well be asked for a please explain from your friendly police officer. It is not the speed or lack thereof that is the issue, it is the interference and potential danger that is the problem.

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gdayjr wrote:

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peter67 wrote:

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I wish the elderly couple well and hope that they recover quickly AND are not put off going caravanning again assuming that even with insurance, and perhaps no fault on their part, they will still incur monetary costs to themselves. No matter what cover you have you always come up short in time and money, and if it's proven you are not at your fault it's a bitter pill to swallow. Dash cams can eliminate a lot of he said she said, I'm betting there is some footage that is being examined if there were so many witnesses. I've fitted a little garmin mini dash cam. Two of my brothers have been driving large semi's most of their lives and tell me a lot of truckers are now fitting them not just so they look forward but hanging them off mirrors etc facing rearwards.

Greg 1  I think in WA according to the law you are not supposed to travel slower than 10%(unless towing or some other mandated reason) of the posted limit, it's a finable offence particularly for right line huggers on dual carriage ways in the city. I've been guilty many times in younger days of fuming while stuck behind a long line of cars following an old camper bus towing a small 4x4 as well, and struggling to average 80kph in a 110kph zone on busy long weekend getaways, especially when we got to a slight hill and now we are all doing 50kph. Now I'm only guilty :) of raging at people who tow double horse floats at 80 to 90kph on single lane country highways with V8 land cruisers and long lines of traffic behind them...guess what a lot of them do when a specially made and signposted overtaking lane comes up?

ps does being a keyboard warrior and road raging have anything in common?

pps what laws in the eastern states relate to minimum speeds on busy 110kph roads over there

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 It is not a percentage limit, it is set at 20kph of the posted speed limit, so on a main highway with a speed limit of 110 kph, that means 90 kph etc

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Thanks for Peter67, and gdayir, for bringing this up

I for one, was unaware of any minimum speed limit, and I will assume that others also, may not have known this info

I would also like to hear, if there are any minimum speed limits in other States/Territories

I also wish the elderly couple a speedy recovery

Snip from article

Link to article (West Australian Police)

https://www.police.wa.gov.au/FAQ?faq=Is-there-a-minimum-speed-limit&q=f3936071-2097-426d-b701-4481f4cbb9a3

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 Tony I've been clicking on the "yes it was" but nothing happens :) I think it's fortunate for others that I only drive an Hyundai Iload van.

dogbox wrote:

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yobarr wrote:

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dogbox wrote:

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www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/towing.html
If the speed limit is over 100 km/h and the driver is driving a vehicle with a GVM over 4.5 tonnes or a vehicle and trailer combination with a Gross Combination Mass (GCM) over 4.5 tonnes, the speed limit applying to the driver for the length of road is 100 km/h. Always drive to the road, traffic and weather conditions. Before each trip, check:


i will stand to be corrected applies to both GVM and to GCM

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 Is this not what I posted below? Cheers

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I thought i was agreeing with you after you corrected me

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 All good! No worries.Cheerd

Tony Bev wrote:

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gdayjr wrote:

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peter67 wrote:

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I wish the elderly couple well and hope that they recover quickly AND are not put off going caravanning again assuming that even with insurance, and perhaps no fault on their part, they will still incur monetary costs to themselves. No matter what cover you have you always come up short in time and money, and if it's proven you are not at your fault it's a bitter pill to swallow. Dash cams can eliminate a lot of he said she said, I'm betting there is some footage that is being examined if there were so many witnesses. I've fitted a little garmin mini dash cam. Two of my brothers have been driving large semi's most of their lives and tell me a lot of truckers are now fitting them not just so they look forward but hanging them off mirrors etc facing rearwards.

Greg 1  I think in WA according to the law you are not supposed to travel slower than 10%(unless towing or some other mandated reason) of the posted limit, it's a finable offence particularly for right line huggers on dual carriage ways in the city. I've been guilty many times in younger days of fuming while stuck behind a long line of cars following an old camper bus towing a small 4x4 as well, and struggling to average 80kph in a 110kph zone on busy long weekend getaways, especially when we got to a slight hill and now we are all doing 50kph. Now I'm only guilty :) of raging at people who tow double horse floats at 80 to 90kph on single lane country highways with V8 land cruisers and long lines of traffic behind them...guess what a lot of them do when a specially made and signposted overtaking lane comes up?

ps does being a keyboard warrior and road raging have anything in common?

pps what laws in the eastern states relate to minimum speeds on busy 110kph roads over there

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 It is not a percentage limit, it is set at 20kph of the posted speed limit, so on a main highway with a speed limit of 110 kph, that means 90 kph etc

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Thanks for Peter67, and gdayir, for bringing this up

I for one, was unaware of any minimum speed limit, and I will assume that others also, may not have known this info

I would also like to hear, if there are any minimum speed limits in other States/Territories

I also wish the elderly couple a speedy recovery

Snip from article

Link to article (West Australian Police)

https://www.police.wa.gov.au/FAQ?faq=Is-there-a-minimum-speed-limit&q=f3936071-2097-426d-b701-4481f4cbb9a3

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 As it indicates above only applies "if you are travelling on a Freeway". Does not apply to general roads or highways. There is only two freeways in WA one going north out of the CBD and one going south out of the CBD, consequently of very little impact to travel within WA