Smoke and Mirrors usually work

JayDee, the main basis is reports submitted by all major greenhouse gas emitters annually to the government, together with some fancy modelling incorporating economic and production data. 

Tracking and reporting greenhouse gas emissions | Department of Industry, Science, Energy and Resources

 

 

-- Edited by Mamil on Saturday 27th of February 2021 01:49:07 AM

Anything we small polluters do is a waste of time until those large polluters bring their emissions under control.  Go pick on them Greta.

 

-- Edited by msg on Saturday 27th of February 2021 02:38:37 PM

what is the point of australia addressing climate change if India and China do nothing.

beaul wrote:

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what is the point of australia addressing climate change if India and China do nothing.

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 As I said earlier, no point.  But, what we really should do, is really concentrate on the pollution of our oceans and rivers and the environment. We are loosing too many of our flora and fauna.  We, and all countries should have an all out house cleaning exercise to give them a fighting chance, the human species included.   

Its true, OZ poluion is overall very low. But high per capita.
Overseas some of the pollution i have seen was atrocious.

But, doesn't mean we can't set an example.
And the real problem is there are way too many people on the planet.

But nobody is going to forfeit their life, or their grandchildren life to help the planet.
A good war or a nasty virus will f ix it! Lol

Global Warming 'till it wasn't so what to promote now?

OK, "Climate Change" sounds good.

I've tried to avoid commenting on this topic. Why do so many of you keep stirring the hornets nest. You know it's going to get ugly I've found that there's nothing one can say to change climate deniers minds. There's just too much confirmation bias, whether it's climate change, vaccination conspiracies , moon landing conspiracies, flat earthers, etcetera. Hopefully the majority of people will trust the science and believe in climate change so that they will make a difference, either by using their votes or personally making changes. Otherwise, there's no hope for future generations. Even if the majority of climate scientists are wrong and there is no climate change, in my mind, it's still worth doing something about reducing our reliance on unrenewable resources. They'll all run out at some stage. I know that a bunch of you are going to rubbish my comments. Thus, proving my point, but I can't help myself. I can't help hoping that my comments will help someone to turn away from the "dark side" and do their bit for civilisation. :--)

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:

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>I've tried to avoid commenting on this topic.

Feel free to continue - it is not essential that you do :)

>Why do so many of you keep stirring the hornets nest.

Because this is a *discussion forum* where we discuss things.

>there's nothing one can say to change climate deniers minds.

Would they be like holocaust deniers?

>Hopefully the majority of people will trust the science and believe in climate change

Ah! So climate change is a belief system - silly me thought it was science.

>it's still worth doing something about reducing our reliance on unrenewable resources.

Of course.

 

>I know that a bunch of you are going to rubbish my comments.

No; just highlight their falsity, bias, opinion and ill considered perspectives.

 

One of the beauties of this subject is this.

It is quite rightly pointed out that we should be looking at thousands of years of records to get an accurate picture to decide if the current changes we see are cyclical or are part of a disturbing trend. Those records arent available so some say the current trends prove nothing, and climate change is a non event as we are simply in a heating cycle.

However, the lack of those records means that accurate records of cyclical events and the peaks are not available either, so current changes may in fact be something to worry about. In fact records cannot prove or disprove either argument. What we can see is that since records began, there is evidence the worlds climate is changing, and that trend is generally towards a warmer base line.

Sometimes, erring on the side of caution until accurate records are in is a sensible course of action. Believe me, finding better and less polluting ways of doing things will never be a mistake, whatever our individual beliefs are! 

-- Edited by TheHeaths on Sunday 28th of February 2021 05:33:44 PM

Dick0 wrote:

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I thought the climate changes every day...it does where I live!

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 No. You are confusing "climate" with "weather".

Cheers,

Peter

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:

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I've tried to avoid commenting on this topic. Why do so many of you keep stirring the hornets nest. You know it's going to get ugly I've found that there's nothing one can say to change climate deniers minds. There's just too much confirmation bias, whether it's climate change, vaccination conspiracies , moon landing conspiracies, flat earthers, etcetera. Hopefully the majority of people will trust the science and believe in climate change so that they will make a difference, either by using their votes or personally making changes. Otherwise, there's no hope for future generations. Even if the majority of climate scientists are wrong and there is no climate change, in my mind, it's still worth doing something about reducing our reliance on unrenewable resources. They'll all run out at some stage. I know that a bunch of you are going to rubbish my comments. Thus, proving my point, but I can't help myself. I can't help hoping that my comments will help someone to turn away from the "dark side" and do their bit for civilisation. :--)

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 Hi Buzz I agree with comments made here about Australia being a small cog in a world wide wheel. For people who are worried about our flora and fauna in Australia one of first things they should look at is cat's. NO, I'm not a cat hater, will include a pic of "squeeky" the vet next doors cat with collar and bell, who likes to visit because I quite often buy fish and chips and she never drinks my beer so that's OK :) but...I'd bet the majority of cat's have neither in the suburbs and the bush speaks for itself. The figure I saw re small animals, lizards etc was over a million per year Australia wide not to mention insects, shoot I just did nevermind and lets not forget the fox, wild brumby's and ugly people, good looking people obviously deserve to live. Not many of us would be knocking ourselves off would we? :):)

ps here's squeeky the day she got a severe haircut

 

 

Folk tend to twist comments on these and other forums to suit their view of the world. "Climate denier" has become a catch all decorative term use to label folks with whom you don't agree with. First no one I have read has said do nothing about cleaning up our act. Second is the fact that Australia produces half of bugger all pollution so why should we do the heavy lifting while others do bugger all? Third anyone who believes anything China says is dillusional. The USA has already cut their carbon foot print and joining Paris is just virtue signalling. And finally not one person who throws around the "climate denier" label comes up with a solution that will pay for the schools, hospitals etc etc etc as we shut down our economy just so others can profit from our stupidity. There is a way to clean up our act regardless of any climate BS. We can do that by being smart and without wrecking our grandkids future. Let alone the future of the millions living in developing countries who dream about having our lifestyle. Climate science is promoted by those who have nothing to lose. The Hollywood elite who flit around the world preaching to all those who expire to better their lives. The politicians and former prime ministers that have financial interest in renewables. Former vice presidents making millions out of talking down to those who don't agree. Californian coroners shutting down nuclear power stations and promoting fossil fueled generations while family members get rich supplying the fossil fuel. The whole thing is a con yet we are told to believe the science. How about believing in the money trail?

Climate change, bah humbug. I had a chat with father Xmas, the tooth fairy and that other "invisible guy" up there and they agreed with me, a lot of bulldust. But if anyone is comfortable believing this rubbish and makes you feel good I am very happy for you :):):)