Rex, You've had a close shave - better to find this issue in town, rather than out in the bush away from assistance.

You need both adaptor tools; a problem with non-standard wheels & you have two different wheels as well. Did you not detect the issue when you bought the car?

rexboggs5 wrote:

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I have a somewhat unusual problem.

I took my Land Cruiser in for a service and they said that one of the tyres on the LC is the spare, and would I want them to put the original tyre back on.

I said yes please but got a call a few hours later asking where my wheel brace was, because the wheel nuts were non-standard, supposedly so the wheels/rims couldn't be nicked.

I had no idea as I hadn't ever used it. I don't even know if I received it when I bought the Cruiser 2nd-hand 3 years ago.

They checked all the tyre shops here in Rockhampton but no one had the correct wheel brace. 

I have (hopefully) attached two photos showing the wheels.  Can anyone offer advice about what I need to purchase so I can change the tyre if needed?

Thanks heaps in advance and Cheers

Rex

 

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 Hi Rex 

You have a small problem which will be a VERY LARGE PROBLEM if you do not fix it soon. The two pictures showed two different wheels, one had wheel 'bolts' with spline drive heads, the other still had a hub cap cover on I believe, so we do not know what screws or bolts or nuts it has. I think you had better go to a mechanic or a bigger tire place or similar and get someone to look at them and tell you what you need. Then replace them with a common type of wheel screw or nut. If you have a puncture or a tire failure at the moment you will be stuffed as no one can remove them. Find a person there NOW and fix it while you are in a large town.  I do not think you know enough to rely on a forum to correct your problem. 

If the screw heads are not standard spline drive sizes then contact me and I could give you a supplier overseas that will supply the correct socket for any security wheel nut or screw. I have used them to get a socket for a car I bought without the correct tool to remove the security wheel screws(some owners are stupid !). There are obviously checks to do to obtain them and a cost but better than other ways here in Australia, I could find. I removed all of the them after I received the tool and fitted the standard screws. My mag wheels are still on my car and have not been stolen     

Jaahn

rexboggs5 wrote:

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I have a somewhat unusual problem.

I took my Land Cruiser in for a service and they said that one of the tyres on the LC is the spare, and would I want them to put the original tyre back on.

I said yes please but got a call a few hours later asking where my wheel brace was, because the wheel nuts were non-standard, supposedly so the wheels/rims couldn't be nicked.

I had no idea as I hadn't ever used it. I don't even know if I received it when I bought the Cruiser 2nd-hand 3 years ago.

They checked all the tyre shops here in Rockhampton but no one had the correct wheel brace. 

I have (hopefully) attached two photos showing the wheels.  Can anyone offer advice about what I need to purchase so I can change the tyre if needed?

Thanks heaps in advance and Cheers

Rex

 

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 Those nuts are sold as "lock nuts" or some such name,and are the same as I once bought from Autobarn.They are supposedly an anti-theft device,and there should be only one per wheel,I believe? When I once lost the supplied adaptor that allows an ordinary wheel brace to be used to remove these nuts,I simply drove to the local Autobarn shop,the young fella in attendance looked at the nuts,went inside,and returned with the necessary adaptor.CU later! However,I can see absolutely no need to use more than one per wheel,and the shafts of these nuts often are smaller in diameter than the shafts on the factory nuts,meaning they do not securely 'hold, the wheel in place.This is not a problem if you have hub-centric wheels,which you appear to have,but if your wheels are lug-centric,you will regularly break wheel studs.As suggested,simply use ordinary wheel nuts.Cheers.

A lot of cars these days don't have a spare so why bother with a spanner.

 

I helped one car in the outback, very old tyres on the car, spare was flat & even older, stone through a tyre, no form of recovery, plenty of stress on the owners' faces! 

3 plugs later repaired the tyre & pumped up the spare (someone else's compressor failed, had not ever been used)...... They said they would buy 5 new tyres & recovery gear as soon as they got to town. Which I'm pretty sure they would do after the reality of their predicament!

Hi bookleaf,
I think that cap that you see in the first pic is possibly a push on cap with the real studs underneath. It's interesting enough!
Howeverm just looking at the differences with the amount of metal between the spokes & the centre of the wheel, makes it something to stay well away from. Something like those toy spares they put in some cars.
Tony is correct about the road-worthy issue.

You sure it isn't the same wheel with and without the centre cap.

rexboggs5 wrote:

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I have a somewhat unusual problem.

I took my Land Cruiser in for a service and they said that one of the tyres on the LC is the spare, and would I want them to put the original tyre back on.

I said yes please but got a call a few hours later asking where my wheel brace was, because the wheel nuts were non-standard, supposedly so the wheels/rims couldn't be nicked.

I had no idea as I hadn't ever used it. I don't even know if I received it when I bought the Cruiser 2nd-hand 3 years ago.

They checked all the tyre shops here in Rockhampton but no one had the correct wheel brace. 

I have (hopefully) attached two photos showing the wheels.  Can anyone offer advice about what I need to purchase so I can change the tyre if needed?

Thanks heaps in advance and Cheers

Rex

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Hi 

You know the discussions go on and on and on, and are fueled by two things. Firstly the original poster asks a question and then never comes back to answer any queries or give feedback. WTF do they want ??????  

Secondly some other posters give answers that show they never read the earlier posts or looked at the pictures and have no idea what they are talking about. Has anyone ever seen a wheel on a Landcruiser with 8 studs ??? and the second wheel with only 5 studs ??? And the tire place was going to swap them. Hmm possibly a reality check by a 5 year old would be better than asking on here. I give up posting with sensible reasoned answers.

Jaahn

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Jaahn wrote:

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SouthernComfort wrote:

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It brings the roadworthy inspection into question. The mismatched wheels and nuts, plus the absence of a wheel brace should have scored a fail at that time.

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Hi 

Sorry but that statement is BS. That is only a drivers responsibility not a car safety matter. We do not live in such a nanny state that common sense is absent completely and we have to blame the roadworthy inspector for everything   Perhaps he should be held responsible for the colour too or the dirty windows !!

Jaahn 

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Jaahn, calm down a bit mate, no need to be so aggressive. Bringing a RW into question is not "BS" as you eloquently put it, it is totally legitimate. Either the OP is having a lend of us and the wheels as pictured belong to two different cars, OR they weirdly do belong to the same car in which case they are mismatched (i.e. 2 different wheel types on the same axle assuming the there is only one 'problem' wheel in question). If it's the latter, and it was in that condition when the car was purchased (and consequently RW inspected) as implied in the OP, it wouldn't pass a RW inspection in this state, and I suspect same applies in others. 

 

Yes i saw the different wheel studs size . I thought he meant the nut type as on pics ? Pays to be mind reader . Sendin everyone. Nuts 

-- Edited by Aus-Kiwi on Monday 13th of July 2020 10:09:06 AM

Mmmm ok so its 5 stud All my cruisers were 6 stud so my mistake,

Stretch.

Hi Folks

A big thanks for all of the replies, and a big apology for the delay in my replying. I didn't see a reply when I first looked and I thought I would get an email if someone did reply, so I didn't check again until tonight. I've learned my lesson, and will be more vigilant in the future.

So ...

When I returned to Rocky I went to a tyre place and they were able to sell me a socket that fits the nuts on the spare wheel (2nd photo). But I wasn't sure what to do about the other tyres.

Today I went to a different tyre place and the lady behind the counter said you need an allen key (as noted by whenarewethere in the first reply to my thread). I thought I needed a wheel spanner (not an allen key) so I looked in the glove box and there it was! So I was able to remove the wheel cover in the 1st photo with the allen key. And the nuts behind it are the same as those for the spare wheel.

Bottom line: I will go back to that tyre place tomorrow and ask them what if anything I have to do/buy to ensure that I won't get stuck on the side of the road if I have a flat tyre. I think I have what I need, but I will check to be sure.

Thanks again for your valuable advice, and I will be sure to frequently check for replies when I ask questions in the future.

Cheers, Rex

I'm glad as well! Thanks Tony.

I agree with Jaahn. You really need standard parts in the outback so everyone can help everyone as best as possible. Chuck the nuts & get standard nuts. If someone wants your wheels they will take them regardless of what wheel nuts you have on.

PS. While at it get a tyre repair kit & compressor & TPMS to hopefully save a tyre before it is destroyed.

Thanks whenarewethere, your advice is very helpful.  I have added those to my shopping list.  And will organise to get standard nuts on the wheels.

Cheers

Rex