Newbie advice - what car to buy Mitsubishi Pajero Sport

Frogman · Member

Newbie advice - what car to buy Mitsubishi Pajero Sport

Radar · Guru

Frogman wrote:
OK OK OK now you're going to say "For $#@^ sake, when is he going to make up his mind? I'm still waiting for my redundancy payout. Now that's a good thing because it means I'm still on a salary but waiting a bit longer to travel.
Has anybody got any feedback on the Pajero Sport? As opposed to the MUX? Remembering that when I'm not towing it'll be my main transport around town.
Thanks

Hi Frogman

First off, I like your choice, looks like it might be good thing, most of that car has been around a long time. Has a shorter then most overang from the rear drive to the towball which is a plus.

All this is my thoughts only, I have no formal training, just 46 years of driving trucks

Keep thinking I would like one but then I think it would be on its limit towing my 2760kg caravan with 270 on the ball.

GCM is 5400kgs, total weight allowed car and caravan, thats the lot on the road.

GVM is 2710kgs less the tare 2045kgs leaves 665kgs, 2 people, 60 litres of fuel, tow bar, phone, computer plus the caravan towball weight, slowly there is not much in reserve weight left.

Are you confused yet.

If you are going to tow a caravan, less then say 2500kgs max the Sport would be fine and probably do it very comfortable and be a fine road vehicle.

Once again, my thoughts only.

deverall11 · Guru

Hi Frogman,
Have considered a Landcruiser.
Initial buying price maybe a bit high but they are
the only vehicle of that type that retain their resale
value. We bought ours in 2013 at $65,000 new.
They are selling for around $45,000 on carsales.com.
Not too many 4WD diesel V8 that depreciate $20,000
over 6 years.
Equivalent Mitsu $42,000
Just a thought.
Larry

Frogman · Member

Thanks very much - your thoughts are exactly what I'm looking for. Having looked at caravans, I can't see it weighing much more than 2 tonnes so will keep it in mind. There will only be 2 of us (my wife and I weigh 115kg TOGETHER) so I'll make sure of that.

Thanks again.

Regards

Edie and Mark

Frogman · Member

Hi Frogman,
Have considered a Landcruiser.
Initial buying price maybe a bit high but they are
the only vehicle of that type that retain their resale
value. We bought ours in 2013 at $65,000 new.
They are selling for around $45,000 on carsales.com.
Not too many 4WD diesel V8 that depreciate $20,000
over 6 years.
Equivalent Mitsu $42,000
Just a thought.
Larry

Hi Larry - I hope this is the way to contact you. I'm looking for something smaller than a Landcruiser and second hand will have about $35k to spend so I'm limited

Regards Mark

-- Edited by Frogman on Tuesday 29th of October 2019 12:17:19 AM

outlaw40 · Guru

Not going to write an essay . All the information is out there. Have owned the triton which is the same vehicle with a different body . I would buy the MUX .

Knight · Senior Member

outlaw40 wrote:
Not going to write an essay . All the information is out there. Have owned the triton which is the same vehicle with a different body . I would buy the MUX .

My builder son drives a Triton and will soon trade it in on Isuzu Ute. The Triton has aluminium boxes and racks and is heavily loaded with equipment and tools, and has given good service, but for various reasons including past experience with very reliable roughly treated Isuzu work trucks before he was self employed.

yobarr · Guru

Frogman wrote:
Thanks very much - your thoughts are exactly what I'm looking for. Having looked at caravans, I can't see it weighing much more than 2 tonnes so will keep it in mind. There will only be 2 of us (my wife and I weigh 115kg TOGETHER) so I'll make sure of that.
Thanks again.RegardsEdie and Mark

Hi Mark..... Like Larry,I would suggest a Land Cruiser,but remembering your aversion to bigger cars,I would suggest that the MUX is a far better bet than the Pajero. However,both have only 1600kg rear axles,so you will need to be very careful there,but the MUX has only 1075mm rear overhang.... that is GOOD! Good luck with your choice.Cheers P.S. If you research the Spanish meaning of the word "Pajero",you may well prefer to buy an MUX!

Knight · Senior Member

Mitsubishi Pajero Final Edition is limited to 1,000 units (300 units of 3 door and 700 units of five door); will also come with a unique number plaque Mitsubishi is going to discontinue the iconic off-roader Pajero globally. The Pajero was first introduced in 1982 and since then the model was a popular choice for hard core off-road enthusiasts. Even though Pajero can put some new generation SUV to shame in off-roading the competition have moved on and customers demand more from their vehicles. In the last few years, sales of Pajero were going down and finally the Japanese manufacturer has decided to pull the plug. To celebrate the long history of Pajero, Mitsubishi has introduced final edition models in both three door and five door body styles. The final edition is limited to 1000 units only (300 units of 3 door and 700 units of five door) and it will also come with a unique number plaque.

Read more at: gaadiwaadi.com/mitsubishi-pajero-final-edition-revealed-pajero-discontinued/

SouthernComfort · Guru

yobarr wrote:

Frogman wrote:
Thanks very much - your thoughts are exactly what I'm looking for. Having looked at caravans, I can't see it weighing much more than 2 tonnes so will keep it in mind. There will only be 2 of us (my wife and I weigh 115kg TOGETHER) so I'll make sure of that.
Thanks again.RegardsEdie and Mark
Hi Mark..... Like Larry,I would suggest a Land Cruiser,but remembering your aversion to bigger cars,I would suggest that the MUX is a far better bet than the Pajero. However,both have only 1600kg rear axles,so you will need to be very careful there,but the MUX has only 1075mm rear overhang.... that is GOOD! Good luck with your choice.Cheers P.S. If you research the Spanish meaning of the word "Pajero",you may well prefer to buy an MUX!

Pajero is called the Shogun in many foreign markets (Europe especially) for that reason!

Roy E · Senior Member

Gidday Frogman (Mark),
I have owned from new, a 2016 Mitsubishi Pajero Sport and have done about 30,000 km towing my 2-ton (ATM) Jayco. I previously towed my van with a 2004 BMW X5 which I'd also owned from new.

The Pajero Sport has less power than the X5 but the 8-speed box helped make up a bit for that. Before I bought the Pajero Sport I looked seriously at the BMW X5, Pajero, Isuzu MUX, Ford Everest, Toyota Prado and Toyota Fortuner.

The X5 was quickly dropped as too expensive and no longer a car capable of going off-road but has the most powerful motor by far.
The Prado was also dropped as too expensive, too few gears and way behind in technology but similar power to the Sport.
The Fortuner was also dropped as a bit of an odd-ball and not enough gears in auto box but similar power to the Sport.
The Pajero was dropped despite being a great tug as it was on run-out and not enough gears though more powerful than the sport.
The MUX was a serious contender in my mind, similar power to Sport but not enough gears.
The Everest was also a serious contender for me with better power than the sport but too expensive and too few gears.

Overall, I compared technology (electronics, transmission etc), turning circle, towing capacity and price and in my mind, the Pajero Sport was the winner.

Do I regret buying the Pajero Sport? Not at all. I really like this car.

Good luck with your search and purchase.

Cheers,
Roy.

Frogman · Member

I appreciate the input - thanks very much. Price for both very similar

sandgrooper1 · Senior Member

Hi,

For what its worth MUX every day of the week between these two.

Cheers AL

Greg 1 · Guru

The comments regarding not enough ratios in the transmission is of less concern with the larger capacity engines in the MUX and the Everest as the 3 litre and 3.2 litre engines are fairly lazy and don't need a pile of ratios to keep the engine in its torque band like some of the smaller engines need. The larger engines have a larger torque spread so a 6 speed works very well. Less cost to rebuild too if things turn pear shaped down the track.

deverall11 · Guru

Frogman wrote:
Hi Frogman,
Have considered a Landcruiser.
Initial buying price maybe a bit high but they are
the only vehicle of that type that retain their resale
value. We bought ours in 2013 at $65,000 new.
They are selling for around $45,000 on carsales.com.
Not too many 4WD diesel V8 that depreciate $20,000
over 6 years.
Equivalent Mitsu $42,000
Just a thought.
Larry

Hi Larry - I hope this is the way to contact you. I'm looking for something smaller than a Landcruiser and second hand will have about $35k to spend so I'm limited
Regards Mark
Mark, no problems. I fully understand. Everybody talks about how expensive Landcruisers are
but no one ever mentions the resale value.
All the best in your choice of vehicle and happy travelling.
Larry

-- Edited by Frogman on Tuesday 29th of October 2019 12:17:19 AM

Knight · Senior Member

When I was considering purchase of a new vehicle in 2017 an engine reconditioning firm advised me to go for the 3.0 litre and over diesel engines, that the later small capacity engines had to work too hard to deliver similar power and torque, and would not provide the classic diesel 500,000 kilometres plus service life when working hard as in towing a caravan.

They indicated that 150-200,000 kilometres was typically time for reconditioning. Obviously this might not apply to mum's taxi.

For manufacturers the smaller capacity engines are easier to make comply to the increasingly lower emissions standard.

-- Edited by Knight on Wednesday 30th of October 2019 02:56:36 PM

Knight · Senior Member

Greg 1 wrote:
The comments regarding not enough ratios in the transmission is of less concern with the larger capacity engines in the MUX and the Everest as the 3 litre and 3.2 litre engines are fairly lazy and don't need a pile of ratios to keep the engine in its torque band like some of the smaller engines need. The larger engines have a larger torque spread so a 6 speed works very well. Less cost to rebuild too if things turn pear shaped down the track.

MU-X has a transmission lock button that locks the transmission to use only the top three ratios when travelling above, I think, 80 KMH.

Bill B · Guru

deverall11 wrote:

Hi Frogman,

Have considered a Landcruiser.

Initial buying price maybe a bit high but they are

the only vehicle of that type that retain their resale

value. We bought ours in 2013 at $65,000 new.

Larry from your previous posts you have a 200 Turbo Diesel GXL.

Are you sure you paid $65k in full for it.

I bought one in same year and it was a lot more than $65k.

yobarr · Guru

Greg 1 wrote:
The larger engines have a larger torque spread so a 6 speed works very well. Less cost to rebuild too if things turn pear shaped down the track.

Absolutely correct......when it comes to towing,there is no substitute for cubic inches.My car has maximum torque from 1200rom right through to 3200rpm,and once moving will tow all day long with no gear changes.Cheers