There was an "expert" on ABC sunshine coast this morning advising people to take regular small drinks to prevent dehydration. No wonder people with no experience outside an air conditioned building and cars continue to die. I am not an expert but I spent all my working life outdoors and never quit if temp was over 40, although have worn gloves sometimes.
If you need a drink, have a cup full at a time. Allow a minimum of 10 litres for a working day.
Keep safe and don't ration your drinking water .
Neil
Another "expert" several years ago advocated that sipping was not useful as it simply just got perspired out almost immediately and deprived vital organs of water. Rather a cupful (i.e. 250milliletres) taken frequently (usually at the same frequency of the sippers frequency) was the best, as that way the vital organs such as Heart, Brain, Kidneys etc. were hydrated at each drink and hence were not deprived of vital fluid and hence survival would be assured. This fits in well with woolman's post above and it what we follow and works very well for us.
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I slowly realise as I get older that I am definitely NOT the fastest rat in the race.
Also the older I get the more I realise I do not know.
OH well I guess I posted another topic that responses suggest it had no value.
Sorry folk I'll refrain in future from offering helpful/informative articles on what I thought might be helpful to others.
Cheers - stay well and travel safely - John
John, (rockylizard)
There had been 183 people who have looked at this topic, (up to the time of my writing)
I have not seen 183 people, saying that this post has no value
What I learned from the article was
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"I have seen notes from people who have unfortunately perished and the Es are back to front, the Ds are back to front they are suffering from dehydration dementia."
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This is something I will try to remember, if I am ever in the situation of dehydration
I for one say, keep your articles coming, because what has no value for some, does have value for others
OH well I guess I posted another topic that responses suggest it had no value.
Sorry folk I'll refrain in future from offering helpful/informative articles on what I thought might be helpful to others.
Cheers - stay well and travel safely - John
I thought the article was informative and supplied somevgood info.
Maybe a LIKE button may work well for you so as to make you feel warm and fuzzy
As a side note there was a show on Sunday tv featuring two guys travelling in the Kimberlys
These two were accompanied by a third vehicle who was towing their camper. One of the others were towing quite a large plate boat on a tandem trailer and the third had a tandem trailer with a AWD like farmers use.
All good fun until they came to a sign warning them of the necessity for water and correct clothing and footwear among other details.
They all proceeded to make jokes about how much water they had and the clothing and footwear they were wearing.
With these two show ponies on national tv relaying the he-man traits of how they are negotiating the outback, is there any wonder newbies may get themselves into trouble.
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"Seek the truth or bury you head in the sand, both require some digging"
I reckon some folk just reckon that it won't happen to them. But it is a timely post, as the fellow on the motorbike in WA was found with food and water in his kit.They think it was heat exhaustion that done him in.
Maybe he was saving his water too conservatively or just didn't know that the sun is a killer.
But you are on the money with your thinking and I saw this at the Kings Canyon a couple of years ago. A school group over took my wife and I, and all carried a large two litre bottle of water. Just the climb to the top made them exhaust their supply as they virtually ran up to the cliff top.
We took our time as we had no choice, and after a couple of hours drank our water. Those teenagers were all complaining of no water any where and still another hour to go....
OH well I guess I posted another topic that responses suggest it had no value.
Sorry folk I'll refrain in future from offering helpful/informative articles on what I thought might be helpful to others.
Cheers - stay well and travel safely - John
Oh! WOW! rockylizard, John,
What you posted was one of the most useful topics for travellers to note and the discussion was generating from that with heaps to show that it is important to have hydration and heaps of it. Please do not think others have thought it of no value! I for one have really learnt heaps from it and of course posted a view from an "expert" which we think is useful for us. Keep your posts coming!
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Cheers - Ian
I slowly realise as I get older that I am definitely NOT the fastest rat in the race.
Also the older I get the more I realise I do not know.
OH well I guess I posted another topic that responses suggest it had no value.
Sorry folk I'll refrain in future from offering helpful/informative articles on what I thought might be helpful to others.
Cheers - stay well and travel safely - John
I thought the article was informative and supplied somevgood info.
Maybe a LIKE button may work well for you so as to make you feel warm and fuzzy
As a side note there was a show on Sunday tv featuring two guys travelling in the Kimberlys
These two were accompanied by a third vehicle who was towing their camper. One of the others were towing quite a large plate boat on a tandem trailer and the third had a tandem trailer with a AWD like farmers use.
All good fun until they came to a sign warning them of the necessity for water and correct clothing and footwear among other details.
They all proceeded to make jokes about how much water they had and the clothing and footwear they were wearing.
With these two show ponies on national tv relaying the he-man traits of how they are negotiating the outback, is there any wonder newbies may get themselves into trouble.
Yep! Another of the most useful posts from this thread! We wonder just how such "gung ho" "show pony" stuff can be publicly shown. They may well have muscles to show off, but what about skin cancers, lack of foot protection from all sorts of peril and of course when disaster does occur then they have the EPIRB etc. to call in rescue and of course then put other people at risk to assist them! GRRRR! Just don't get me started!
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Cheers - Ian
I slowly realise as I get older that I am definitely NOT the fastest rat in the race.
Also the older I get the more I realise I do not know.
OH well I guess I posted another topic that responses suggest it had no value.
Sorry folk I'll refrain in future from offering helpful/informative articles on what I thought might be helpful to others.
Cheers - stay well and travel safely - John
Jeepers John, you are getting thin skinned, you won't survive on internet like that, forget the bush ha ha
My comment, and maybe others too was aimed at the topic Title, not the subject matter that needs hammering into everyone that travels, not only to remote areas, even to say, a long walk on the beach to a favourite hole on a hot day.
We cannot survive without sufficient water.
Sorry if my comment offended you, wasn't meant to.
OH well I guess I posted another topic that responses suggest it had no value.
Sorry folk I'll refrain in future from offering helpful/informative articles on what I thought might be helpful to others.
Cheers - stay well and travel safely - John
Jeepers John, you are getting thin skinned, you won't survive on internet like that, forget the bush ha ha
My comment, and maybe others too was aimed at the topic Title, not the subject matter that needs hammering into everyone that travels, not only to remote areas, even to say, a long walk on the beach to a favourite hole on a hot day.
We cannot survive without sufficient water.
Sorry if my comment offended you, wasn't meant to.
OH well I guess I posted another topic that responses suggest it had no value.
Sorry folk I'll refrain in future from offering helpful/informative articles on what I thought might be helpful to others.
Cheers - stay well and travel safely - John
I thought the article was informative and supplied somevgood info.
Maybe a LIKE button may work well for you so as to make you feel warm and fuzzy
As a side note there was a show on Sunday tv featuring two guys travelling in the Kimberlys
These two were accompanied by a third vehicle who was towing their camper. One of the others were towing quite a large plate boat on a tandem trailer and the third had a tandem trailer with a AWD like farmers use.
All good fun until they came to a sign warning them of the necessity for water and correct clothing and footwear among other details.
They all proceeded to make jokes about how much water they had and the clothing and footwear they were wearing.
With these two show ponies on national tv relaying the he-man traits of how they are negotiating the outback, is there any wonder newbies may get themselves into trouble.
Yep! Another of the most useful posts from this thread! We wonder just how such "gung ho" "show pony" stuff can be publicly shown. They may well have muscles to show off, but what about skin cancers, lack of foot protection from all sorts of peril and of course when disaster does occur then they have the EPIRB etc. to call in rescue and of course then put other people at risk to assist them! GRRRR! Just don't get me started!
Hahaha!
I shouldnt laugh or make light of those two and their show.
I assume that you really need the sleeves cut out of your shirts and the mandatory rubber thongs to be really tough in the outback. (Tongue in cheek)
Shows like that could be informative and helpful as far as safety when travelling and many other details could be addressed on that type of program but unfortunately sponsors dont want to project the safety side of things but how good their diff lockers and other pieces of accessories are.
There would be no chance of those two projecting any safety hints if only by the way they dress let alone some of the things they do.
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It's OK John. I find it very amazing how many out there don't read through the links we post. It happens time after time, you post something and then supply a link to amplify something you said. Then pounds to peanuts others come along and repeat the message in the link. You can see they have not read the link as they post the same thing and it is generally not worded as well as the link said it. If people have absorbed the message I would expect them to comment on the message and not simply repeat it.
Just keep posting. Those of us who did not attempt to post the same message appreciate what you posted (the silent majority.)
My comment on your report is that I support taking larger drinks and not continually sip. In another report on these two incidents it was related that one of the casualties had water with him. Maybe he was a sipper. Many years ago I was listening to one presenter of this subject and he said it takes a fair bit of water taken in one drink to get that water to the brain. Those who just sip don't get much water to the most important organ, the brain.
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In all of the hikes my wife & I have done, it is ridiculous the amount of people we have seen who do not carry anywhere near enough water. It appears that people are of the thought "it wont happen to me" & "I will be ok". Even on cold days, have seen people with just a 300ml bottle. You can bet that after these people finish their hikes they will be completely dehydrated, lethargic, have headaches & suffer major cramping & still be none the wiser as to why.
Educational posts like these might just get through the message through to some of those out there who are greatly underprepared & will think about changing what water supplies they take with them in future.
Isnt it funny that theres always people ? If there was no one there wouldnt be any deaths . I hope our taxs didnt pay for this info ? Yes its important to take water . The Darwin theory come to mind here !! Same with people on our coast , out in surf and cannot swim !! Believe it people have drowned . Carcasm not to be critical of OP .
The Darwin theory come to mind here !! Same with people on our coast , out in surf and cannot swim !! Believe it people have drowned . Carcasm not to be critical of OP .
We take around 7litres out on the lick run with us every time we go. Lucky we do - we had 2 - yes 2 - vehicles break down on us last week, and had to walk home in 40+ degree heat. Both times. Talk about savage - the 'short' walk was around 10km, the other 15.
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