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Q1 I am looking at a 2013 Nissan Patrol 3.0 ltr diesel auto tow capacity of 3500kg and ball weight of 350 kg pulling a van with an atm of 2500kg does any one have any idea on fuel consumption.

Q2 I am also considering a 2016 toyota Prado it has a max tow capacity of 2500kg and ball weight of 250kg I know it is legal I know it will prob be more fuel efficient but how will it handle the load. (I will be carying approx 500kg of stuff some of which will be under the bed which is forward of the axles and in the front tunnel boot)

If anyone can give me any feedback on my long winded questions I would appreciate it.

 



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Q1 I am looking at a 2013 Nissan Patrol 3.0 ltr diesel auto tow capacity of 3500kg and ball weight of 350 kg pulling a van with an atm of 2500kg does any one have any idea on fuel consumption.

Q2 I am also considering a 2016 toyota Prado it has a max tow capacity of 2500kg and ball weight of 250kg I know it is legal I know it will prob be more fuel efficient but how will it handle the load. (I will be carying approx 500kg of stuff some of which will be under the bed which is forward of the axles and in the front tunnel boot)

If anyone can give me any feedback on my long winded questions I would appreciate it.

 




Pretty sure an auto 3 ltr Patrol has a towing capacity of 2,500 kgs not 3,500 kgs

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The plate on the drivers door column says 3500kg (should I trust it)

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It is usual for Patrol auto's to have a reduced tow capacity but if it is plated 3.5tonne it must have had an upgrade certified.
My Manual Patrol averages around 19 litres per 100 Klm, with 2.8 van on back (not using 5th gear) - so I imagine an Auto would be less efficient. I rarely travel over 100kph and like to keep the revs down.

 

Son in Law's Prado a little thirstier, but he tends to drive a little faster than I do.



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Thanks possum 3 that's exactly what I wanted to know, what does your son in law tow, how heavy.


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The plate on the drivers door column says 3500kg (should I trust it)




I'm not aware of any towing capacity upgrades being available for Patrols.

Auto can tow 2500 kgs and a manual can tow 3200 kgs for 3 litre Patrol's.



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(this buying a caravan and tug is a minefield thanks again for your help) Would it make a difference that it is a 2013 model the plate defiantly says 3500kg?

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(this buying a caravan and tug is a minefield thanks again for your help) Would it make a difference that it is a 2013 model the plate defiantly says 3500kg?




Can you get a picture of the plate ?

Being a 2013 model makes no difference, unless it has somehow been modified which I very much doubt as it is due to the auto transmission the towing capacity is down rated from the manual's 3200 kg.

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I don't pick the car up for 2 weeks, I will send the dealer a message to confirm. The national Towing Guide that I found on line (doesn't mean its right) had it listed as 3500kg not 3200kg but doesn't mention manual or auto. Possum3 I know yours is a manual but what is the year and plated rating on yours? Thanks again Guys

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Redbook lists towing for a 2013 Patrol auto as 2500 kg.

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You guys seem to have a handle on this what about tow ball weight

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NSG, My patrol has had un upgrade to 3.5 by Pedder's; 30 mm lift and air bags inside the coils.
I have about 300kg on ball.
My son in law normally tows about 2.5 but not full height van. He also has four young kids whereas the child bride and I are normally the only passengers.

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Thanks John I thought the prado would have been more efficient than the Patrol (I know its not a direct comparison) what year model did you say your Patrol is?

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Came across a guy with Hino 300 series . Said way better than ute type vehicle . Fuel and towing capability much better .,

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Hi Aus-Kiwi thanks the two vehicles I am looking at are SUV shaped

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Yes trucks have the looks of being commercial. The thing is weight , towing ability. We dont have the F series type here in Aust unless you buy the HSV for $150k plus on road costs .,

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I don't pick the car up for 2 weeks, I will send the dealer a message to confirm. The national Towing Guide that I found on line (doesn't mean its right) had it listed as 3500kg not 3200kg but doesn't mention manual or auto. Possum3 I know yours is a manual but what is the year and plated rating on yours? Thanks again Guys

 I use the industry towing guide that is produced by RACQ  and Caravanning Qld. It's hard to get your hands on it and the last one I have a copy of was produced in 2016. What you have posted is a bit of a conundrum when you look at the few copies of the guide I have.

There are no 3.0 l diesel patrols with a maximum towing weight of 3,500 kg listed. The manual is only 3,200 kg and the autos are 2,500 kg. The only GU models that have a 3,500 kg tow rating are the 4.5 diesel and 4.8 petrol models.

The only 3013 patrol listed is the Y62 petrol model, it has a 3,500 kg limit. Was your intended Y61 model manufactured in 2012 and first registered in 2013? If so then that really makes it a 2012 model and those who registered it fudged the rego. You will have to sight the compliance plate to sort that out.

In saying all that, if you do not intend to tow more than 2500 kg then do not let this discussion put you off purchasing the tug.



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Mate great info it is manufactured in December 2012. If it is only a 2500kg tow will it still be a 350kg ball rate I wonder. (I feel lucky I found this site)
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Even though the body and suspension are the same as the manual models they still only rate the tow ball weight at 10% of the maximum towing weight.

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Thanks John I thought the prado would have been more efficient than the Patrol (I know its not a direct comparison) what year model did you say your Patrol is?

NSG my Patrol is Dec 2013 manufacture.

 

You can download a hell of a lot of free technical information at http://www.caravancouncil.com.au/  



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You can download a hell of a lot of free technical information at http://www.caravancouncil.com.au/  

 They only seem to deal with the general information regarding the legislation and how to interpret the regulatory terms. They do not deal in the specific cases we are dealing with here. If I am missing information of the type we are dealing with specific vehicles, please point it out to me with a link.



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I guess manufacturer suggests one transmission is more durable ?

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< The only GU models that have a 3,500 kg tow rating are the 4.5 diesel and 4.8 petrol models.




The old GU 4.2 diesel & 4.2 Turbo Diesel wagons also had a towing capacity of 3,500 kgs but they were discontinued around 10 years ago.

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Hi again, the dealer (who is a nissan dealer) had now come back to me saying that it is 2500kg tow rating but only has 200kg ball loading. How can I find out for sure.

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From the Vehicle Mass Towing Guide : ciavic.com.au/getmedia/9f7d2f98-0a3f-404d-bb75-709db754d5eb/VTMG_Nov16_lowres.aspx

Nissan NOTE #18: BALL MASS
VARIATIONS

BALL MASS:
Fully laden vehicle (GVM), Ball Mass = 200kgs.
Reduce GVM by 150kgs, Ball Mass = 250kgs.
Reduce GVM by 220kgs, Ball Mass = 300kgs.
Reduce GVM by 290kgs, Ball Mass = 350kgs

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Possum3 wrote:
You can download a hell of a lot of free technical information at http://www.caravancouncil.com.au/  

 They only seem to deal with the general information regarding the legislation and how to interpret the regulatory terms. They do not deal in the specific cases we are dealing with here. If I am missing information of the type we are dealing with specific vehicles, please point it out to me with a link.

Peter there is some info here that may assist NSG http://www.caravancouncil.com.au/technical-articles 



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Hi Bill B I found something very similar to what you have written in a new Patrol brochure

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Sorry bill I meant to say thanks

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I can't say about Patrol or Prado, but the main query is about fuel economy and you don't say what van you have. I have a Discovery 4, 3.0 litre turbo diesel 8-speed auto towing a full height (3.1 metre), 2.5 tonne off-road van. The fuel economy averages out at about 14 litres/100km on a long trip and varies between 12 and 18 depending on wind direction and strength and road speed. Head winds are the killer for a tall van.



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Thanks Stewg it is a full height van 2.5 tons you have 8 speed that's got to help you economy.

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