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This sort of thing riles me to no end - https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/Unauthorised spots 

Sleeping on unauthorised spots is the peak of freedom (even if you dont have current water, showers or toilets). This kind of camping is forbidden with a simple tent or in your van. You are only authorized to set up your campsite if it is allowed on the area. You expose yourself to a pretty salty fine. However it is true that many Australians dont mind doing it and if you choose a quiet spot, most probably, nobody with come and kick you out. It is at your own risks guys



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Backpacker crisis hits NSW: Locals fuming as carparks and parks are turned into messy campgrounds

THE day after their makeshift camp sites in public parks and car parks across Sydney were exposed by The Daily Telegraph, the citys foreign backpackers still have not moved on.

Dozens were still camped out at Federal Park in Annandale yesterday, many sitting and eating breakfast on footpaths and impeding joggers and walkers trying to get through the illegal camp site.

People could be seen brushing their teeth in the parks toilet block, washing their faces in the drinking fountain and lounging around amongst the rubbish left strewn around the park.

The nomadic community of foreign backpackers freeloading in carparks across Sydney is taking advantage of lazy councils who issued just 33 fines for illegal camping last year.

An investigation by The Saturday Telegraph this week uncovered a number of campervan embassies, some with sweeping ocean views, where international vacationers have been living for free for months.

The largely European set who call themselves boondockers use Sydney water to bathe, charge their electronic gadgetry with power from the city grid and eat their meals at elaborate table settings on footpaths and in parks.

They brush their teeth in the open and use bushes as toilets.

d0ead485ec064e93787201746e81444f?width=6Almost 50 camping-able vehicles were found parked near toilet facilities near Glebe's Federation Park. Photos: Chris McKeenbcfadd6358c1130460cf558d48070f65?width=6Backpackers of a morning in a carpark off The Crescent in Glebe. Picture: John Grainger

Frustrated locals are competing for space in their own suburbs. One Annandale mother is regularly forced to push a pram with her 18-month-old twins on the road because the footpaths are so clogged.

I decided to walk through them (on Thursday), perhaps to annoy them. Its more convenient for me and I wanted to make a stand, said Donnah Soo, who had to move a picnic table as backpackers watched on.

Theyre not respectful that theres other people using the area. Over the last two weeks its been building up. Its very frustrating.

Ms Soo, a midwife, said she could not let her kids enjoy the nearby park or playground due to the alcohol bottles and used condoms left over after raucous parties.

The dogleg-shaped carpark sits in Federal Park, behind a Webbers Carpet Warehouse and a pet store on Chapman Street.

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98d3053628f4ba9ba9f8b26bbe1f41df?width=6Donnah Soo mother of twins had to negotiate her double pram around tables and chairs that were set up on footpath. Picture: John Graingerd032774ca3f2d20277c22eef39b1610b?width=6Stocked ... a campervan full of provisions with two female backpackers setting up home. Picture: John Grainger

The Saturday Telegraph counted more than 60 backpacker vans and an itinerant population of more than 100.

It is painful, Webbers owner Mark Webber said.

Ive had customers even call us and say, Im out the front, theres no parking, can you come and take a deposit?

Surely council have got to pull their heads out of their arses and do something because nobody else can use the park.

Despite regular patrols by rangers, an Office of State Revenue spokeswoman revealed there were only 33 fines issued for offences related to camping in prohibited (public) areas across the state last year. The City of Sydney was unable to say how many they issued.

The carpark and the streets in the immediate vicinity features unmetered and unrestricted parking. Backpackers are allowed to stay as long as they like in their vans without breaking the law.

A City of Sydney official last night said the council would introduce timed parking within the next two months to curb the problem.

In response to complaints from residents and businesses about long-term stay parking, the City is introducing two-hour parking in the Chapman St area, she said.

Under the NSW Local Government Act its not against the law to sleep or live in a vehicle on a street, as long as its legally parked.

33a78b5b027193dedebc01b69be55c68?width=6Makeshift laundry ... a backpacker washes clothes out in the open. Picture: John Grainger3baf3df9a938fddecb8eeb4c81ea418d?width=6Campervan embassy ... backpackers take up footpath space behind their vans. Picture: John Grainger

The Saturday Telegraph, however, witnessed a number of travellers sleeping in tents and camping in the adjacent reserve. Some were seen urinating in bushes, others using tree branches as clothes lines. One German boasted he had been living there for two months.

Despite regular patrols by rangers, an Office of State Revenue spokeswoman revealed there were only 33 fines issued for offences related to camping in prohibited (public) areas across the state last year. The City of Sydney was unable to say how many they issued.

Backpackers use websites and smartphone applications such as WikiCamp to share locations around Sydney where they can sleep free.

Many coastal councils have clamped down on the nomads by introducing restricted parking and increasing ranger patrols.

The carpark at Clovelly Beach despite featuring no camping or staying overnight signs remains a hotbed for thrifty voyagers.

d37a9a56ca25a9ba45cca8b6c6fb8ff0?width=3A local walks her dog through the rubbish-lined carpark. Picture: John Grainger50124b5751389b21636e9b0f9ba2bcb5?width=3Backpackers use the parks vegetation as a toilet. Picture: John Grainger

The makeshift caravan park features uninterrupted ocean views. A British backpacker at the site says the vacationers refer to the act of camping free as boondocking.

And theyre proud of it.

There arent a lot of campgrounds around Sydney and a lot of backpackers will have spent all their money on their van, he said.

They dont want to go and pay another 60 bucks per night. I think its a genuine problem when people are leaving rubbish.

One website provides instructions on staying under the radar in Sydney. It describes a cul-de-sac next to Macquarie Park cemetery as the best place to freeload.

A group of youths living out of vans were earlier discovered at a park in Tempe. Many were bathing in the open and using the local flora as a laundry.

Marrickville Council said they were not breaking any laws and in a statement added: Number of fines issued in past few years is zero.

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IN letters the size of watermelons, next to a portrait of author George Orwell, a quote is cartooned along the portside sliding door of the Mitsubishi van whose next service is due at 274,000km.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Its rear hatch features a breathless adage Love is merely a combination of infatuation and confusion that manages somehow to seem at once romantic and cynical.

a631d86523437a09c36bffa568e81a15?width=6Blocking the footpath. Picture: John Grainger

What joyous nymphs must have fluttered through these two gateways, their excitement massaged by sunsets and sunrises across the Australian continent as they climbed behind the literature.

I am looking at a van reserved exclusively for the use of backpackers. This is a brand of vehicle unique in the ranks of things often referred to as people movers.

Designed to carry pipes and tools, it has undergone a radical transformation and now carries pipes and tools.

Too practical to be a piece of art and not practical enough to be a caravan, it is, unmistakably, a Wicked campervan.

b20efba8a04dd8efa5410adbce077ef0?width=6Illegal campers in Federal Park. Picture: John Grainger05be30b5963780e342f8aa9d0861a07d?width=6Illegal campers in Federal Park. Picture: John Grainger

To open a Wicked campervan is to water ones eyes. The unique multi-sensory experience accorded by the unlatching of the door is a phenomenon not easily forgotten.

Firstly, the smell.

To synthesise the experience at home simply pass your nostrils over a ****tail of sweat, bong water, petrol and used kitty litter.

Its me and two girls ... One is my girlfriend and the other one is free.

To breathe, sit and sleep in a cocoon of this funk is quite another thing entirely.

Next, the interior design.

It is as if half a dozen year 7 boys were given cans of Red Bull and textas, crammed inside the vehicle and told to give it their best.

There are scribbled limericks that rhyme words with Venus and China. Drawings of the respective poems adorn the tin walls.

One former occupant boasts, as if from the grave: I SMOKE two JOiNTS IN THE MORNiNG.

97b9954af3d34ed39ad78d960c288d7e?width=6Remnants from the night before. Picture: John Grainger

Another declares proudly 2 girls, 1 van alongside naive diagrams of their busts perhaps explanatory sketches for any non-English speakers who might cast their eyes over the simple memoir.

The bed is a collection of wooden planks and three pieces of foam. The mattresses are thinner than the wallets of anyone who has ever rented this magnificent machine.

And that, as they say, is saying something.

The closest thing to an en suite is a plastic water bottle, which I empty in case of emergency.

Drawers are stocked with jumper leads, pots and pans, cups, cutlery, fold-out chairs and tables, an Esky and a portable gas stove. A full inspection does not take long.

The van, in a very strange way, seems homely ... ish.

37bc015b5a3e6f0198d79f3a0da7ac2f?width=6Carpark accommodation for free. Picture: John Graingerbc206fe5fd9c43e85b382c95ac72032c?width=3Rush hour at the toilet block. Picture: John Grainger

And so I find myself well acquainted with my moving bedroom-cum-kitchen-cum-dining room as it pulls into a car park on Chapman Rd, Annandale, on Tuesday.

A row of parallel vans stretches out along the tri-winged carpark servicing a carpet warehouse, a pet shop and a storage facility.

I soon discover this little Europe is divided along state lines.

As if bound by the tidal flow of their blood, the French occupy the south and the Germans the north.

Feeling oddly Swiss, I climb out of the vehicle as Michael, from Montpellier, parks up next to me.

 

Its me and two girls, he says. One is my girlfriend and the other one is free.

Helpful to know.

I spend the afternoon and twilight strolling back and forth between the gallic and teutonic quarters of Federal Park, where the great unwashed brush their teeth on the grass and in the public toilets.

37262e0d374b6ce7eb98dca31aef9f91?width=6Taylor Auerbach sets up his breakfast table on the grass. Picture: John Grainger

Some sit around on camping chairs smoking rolled cigarettes. Others eat bowls of cereal. Many nap.

Night-time has fallen on the Harbour City when I attach myself to a circle of French nationals discussing the beasts of Down Under.

Diablo Tasmani? How do you say this? asks Benjamin from Brittany.

Discussion turns to the kookaburra as Michael, sitting next to the free girl and not his girlfriend, says: Your birds are so weird, they look like monkeys.

I tell Michael to be careful as some Australians call women birds.

In France the equivalent colloquialism is hirondelle, or swallow, he explains.

We agree the term is more fitting.

The French offer me a Tim Tam in exchange for a demonstration of the Tim Tam slam an offer impossible to turn down.

One thing you need to know about the French is that when we are drunk we talk about important things like politics or food, says Michael.

9ab1359c24c6a488d0fc2ce13b7b6014?width=6A man forced to walk around the tables trips on the fence as he navigates his way back to the footpath. Picture: John Grainger

I am regaled with stories of showering in BP truck stops along the eastern seaboard, of raids on Aldi supermarkets, of breakdowns and encounters with brown snakes and wombats, and life on the road.

A van, it is like a home, Michael proclaims with a smile and southern French twang.

If I get kicked out of someones house I dont know where to put my stuff.

Here, I just go.

He slaps the tail light of his Toyota as if it was the family poodle.

We retire to our respective wheeled living quarters and fall asleep.

The carpark is quiet like a graveyard when I find myself waking up in sauna-like conditions at 1.30am.

I need to go.

I reach through the dusty darkness and feel for the empty two-litre water bottle.



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Unless my memory is wrong, I seem to remember similar reports abouts Australian backpackers doing the same in England back in the 60's and 70's.

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The largest international tourism sector in Australia that brings in BILLIONS of dollars and we do almost ZIP to cater for their very clear and known needs.
Whose fault is this?

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not much point in fining them waste of paper when they leave the fines are unpaid
only thing they could do was change the law and impound the vehicle and hold till they pay

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hako wrote:

Unless my memory is wrong, I seem to remember similar reports abouts Australian backpackers doing the same in England back in the 60's and 70's.


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yes I probably still have a few outstanding fines over there

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The largest international tourism sector in Australia that brings in BILLIONS of dollars and we do almost ZIP to cater for their very clear and known needs.

Whose fault is this?


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when it comes to free camping somewhere there is a line and if we as travellers abuse the places we stay the powers to be close them down and we are forced to stay in caravan parks an pay for the privilege

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What I am seeing here is a healthy looking bunch of clean dressed people and only one small tattoo to be seen amongst the many, and thats saying something. Maybe their priority is spending money on healthy foods and fuel and such, rather than on tattoos. I think they would also clean up any trash rather than leave it behind when ready to move on.....Kisha



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a few might clean up after themselves and a few might not. the same as the rest of us there seem to be more of us that don't so. when the mess gets to bad someone has to pay to clean it up when the cost gets to high it is easier to close the area.

not much point in blaming the backpackers we are just as bad with a lot of people having the attitude I won't be back this way so who cares.

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Unfortunately the councils are like ostriches with their heads in the sand. They are often beholden to the CP operators and are afraid to offer proper free or low cost camping areas. It does not help when some CP owners are on council.

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Sadly it's ones like the ones in the story that give backpackers a bad name. Yep, I have seen ones like them too but I met a nice young couple from Japan today that set up near me but not on me and spent the afternoon chatting away the time. They spoke good English and were very nice to talk to. We talked about the bad name they get here and they can't understand why people don't clean up after them etc.

Must be that minority thing again.

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The largest international tourism sector in Australia that brings in BILLIONS of dollars and we do almost ZIP to cater for their very clear and known needs.
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 Peter - I reckon backpackers spend very little if anything in Australia and the proof of that is that most of them need to pickup casual jobs just to live day to day.  They are usually young and have never earned a living so they have to scrimp and save.

Favourite food for the ones down Stanthorpe way where there are big mobs seems to be 2 minute noodles. 

 

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Kisha , I wouldn't focus on tattoos , just about every kid has them now , its simply an art form or a way of expression , my oldest son has tattoos and you couldn't get a much better son or person in general . When I was 18 I got earrings and some people slotted me as a long haired trouble maker . Yet I was a law abiding young guy that didn't drink or smoke pot , just wanted to look a bit different .



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Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

The largest international tourism sector in Australia that brings in BILLIONS of dollars and we do almost ZIP to cater for their very clear and known needs.
Whose fault is this?

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 Peter - I reckon backpackers spend very little if anything in Australia and the proof of that is that most of them need to pickup casual jobs just to live day to day.  They are usually young and have never earned a living so they have to scrimp and save.

Favourite food for the ones down Stanthorpe way where there are big mobs seems to be 2 minute noodles. 

 

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 You need to do some research.

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hako wrote:

Unless my memory is wrong, I seem to remember similar reports abouts Australian backpackers doing the same in England back in the 60's and 70's.


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yes I probably still have a few outstanding fines over there



I think they are still doing it now.

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Mezza56 I see you have misunderstood me, I wasn't entirely focusing on tattoos, if you take another peek you will  see I also focused on the fact the people in the pictures  look healthy and clean and eat well, and that they probably spend their money on healthy food and fuel, some do come to realize they can eat food but they cannot eat a tattoo. Tattoos seem to be the general run of the mill today with both the young and mature age inking themselves up. I don't think Tattoos make someone less of a person. I wouldn't want one on myself but so what, I have other things I would rather spend my money on. I'm happy your happy with your son, I'm happy with my son to, you couldn't get a much better person and he doesn't have tattoos, nor does he drink, but I do wish he would give up the cigarettes. Why would people slot you as a long haired trouble maker just because you got earrings? is beyond me,  that's not very nice of them at all. Take care and keep smiling as I do .....Kisha.



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Change the photos to those from other locations and show European Australians doing what the backpackers are doing and the paper could recycle the text for more page filling.

Labeling one aggregation of people as "backpackers" does not help anyone. Watched an apparently white Australian mother change her kids nappy using a picnic table as the change table. Poo all over the table top as she left and the used nappy popped in the bushes for someone else to take care of.

The paper seems to be pandering to its readers who seem to want justification for righteous indignation for the situation where someone else does share their prejudices. Just another whinge while ignoring many alternative approaches to the issue of lack of facilities for travellers enjoying a specific lifestyle.

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The Daily Telegraph is peddling a narrow minded generalisation, but it will appeal to a particular set of readers who enjoy sitting around head shaking and tut-tutting as they soak up every word.

Very sad that these young travellers are lumped together into a category of evil-doers. Just like any society anywhere, in all generations, some will be thoughtless and others will be properly decent people. Young Aussies, Kiwi's, Americans and Canadians kicked off the trend of youth backpacking and campervan travelling especially in Europe, and they're still doing it. Whilst most would be well behaved, there have always been the thoughtless yobs among them showing little respect in other countries and cultures. Littering, encroachment, noise etc. being just the soft offences. And yet a number of countries were smart enough to see the potential, with local tour operators setting up affordable shoe-string tours and other travel options, even clubs (anyone remember the London Walkabout Club?).

We could do much more to cater for this legitimate segment of inbound tourism to welcome them instead of deterring them, local councils could open their eyes a lot. They bring benefits to our economy - they do jobs that our locals won't do, they rent vehicles, they buy fuel & food & other necessities. And when they get older they may return to visit in more salubrious conditions, booking touring holidays and staying in hotels. How many Aussies first visited Europe as a back-packer in their youth and have since returned to travel in a more luxurious fashion now they can afford it, continuing to pump money into the countries they visit?? Yep, today's back-packers are tomorrow's more lucrative visitors.

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if you where a resident or that was your business across the road I don't think you would be happy with a large no. of" homeless" staying for various lengths of time in most cases leaving their waste and rubbish behind

wasn't it good to be young once

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1. So called "back packers" are not "homeless" and neither are those in the pics.
2. I suggest that "most" do NOT leave their rubbish.
3. There are many businesses that are totally reliant on these travellers. Stop these travellers and those businesses go bankrupt.
4. Look at the pics again. Some are not so "young".
5. None appear to be carrying back packs. They seem to be independent travellers travelling in vehicles, just like most here.

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1. So called "back packers" are not "homeless" and neither are those in the pics.

2. I suggest that "most" do NOT leave their rubbish.

3. There are many businesses that are totally reliant on these travellers. Stop these travellers and those businesses go bankrupt.

4. Look at the pics again. Some are not so "young".

5. None appear to be carrying back packs. They seem to be independent travellers travelling in vehicles, just like most here.


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1) a) once upon a time the majority were hitch hikers everything in the backpack
b) homeless of no fix abode in Australia, if an Australian is living out of the back of a vehicle most would be considered "homeless"
2) grey nomads and people out and about tend to leave their rubbish behind just look at a park after an event
3) what business are reliant on them unless I don't see any dan murphies or fast food shops in the pictures
4) from were I am most people look young
5) the backpacks are in the van an none appear to be self contained

it is what it is. young people for the most part 20 to 30 living life having a good time no cares in the world. when the trip is over they pack up an go home!

-- Edited by dogbox on Wednesday 18th of April 2018 01:03:47 PM

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In my opinion (so I could be wrong)

As there are people and people, there are also backpackers and backpackers

From talking to backpackers in the free camps some common denominators seem to be

  • They are here in Australia for a certain length of time
  • They must (under the rules) work for a certain length of that time
  • They do not earn enough to pay for normal accommodation, as well as travelling
  • The ones I have met in the free camps are not thieves, I have loaned them equipment, which has always been returned.

I have met older traveller on holiday from overseas in rented motorhomes, who tell me that they first visited Australia many years previously

I do not know the answer of why they congregate in the towns, as I never stop in those places

In the countryside it is not only the backpackers who spread confetti, which is spread by those who camp overnight and do not have access to a toilet

I believe that free camps in the countryside would be better for all concerned if they had toilets, bins, and a sign pointing out, that once the site becomes a pigsty, it will be closed.

Even better is when a small struggling town opens a free camp nearby, and the traveller spends money in that town



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