NSW Double Demerit points from tonight.

Possum3 · Guru

NSW Double Demerit points from tonight.

Umpie1 · Senior Member

The question I ask is: does double demerit points really contribute to road toll reduction OR is it just another revenue raising thing.

dazz49 · Senior Member

Umpie1 wrote:
The question I ask is: does double demerit points really contribute to road toll reduction OR is it just another revenue raising thing.

double demerit points does not raise any more revenue. It just puts you at a greater risk of losing your licence. Put an automatic 5 year jail sentence on drink and drugged drivers and you would see an immediate response with less of these idiots on the road. Cheers D

Desert Dweller · Guru

Illegal use of a mobile phone - Automatic 6 month loss of licence. Let's get serious instead of pussy footing around.

Eaglemax · Guru

This "revenue raising" debate has run its course. There has never to my knowledge been evidence supporting it. The same with council bylaws officers, no evidence. It must be a way for some to justify speeding. Laws are made to make us safe. A friend got a fine for parking in a noo standing zone on a corner..."revenue raising" he cried. No, by parking there a driver couldn't see oncoming traffic. I drive along the Hume often. Always passed by cars doing over 110 limit, likely 130-140. Should be immediate car crush.

Hey Jim · Guru

Not again,

I got one on 19th Nov 2017 on the Great western Hwy NSW going an average 77km for 15km. Yes 77kmph average. Its a Flaming Rural B....ly Hwy for Gods Sakes. camera to camera from Mt Victoria to Little Hartly, 60kmph for 15km. Get OFF.Its not an Urbane street. The road race bicycles were going pass us like we were standing still on the same day. Under 20kmph. I will get off paying $269.00

This Camera is new, And is now the States best $$$$ raiser at 1 Million per Month.

I will let it run its course till 10th of Feb. Before I pull my get out of jail free card. 44years clean licence. Bunch of Dick H...ds.

Jim

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Yep we all go out to break the law it seems !!

Phillipn · Guru

Eaglemax wrote:
This "revenue raising" debate has run its course. There has never to my knowledge been evidence supporting it. The same with council bylaws officers, no evidence. It must be a way for some to justify speeding. Laws are made to make us safe. A friend got a fine for parking in a noo standing zone on a corner..."revenue raising" he cried. No, by parking there a driver couldn't see oncoming traffic. I drive along the Hume often. Always passed by cars doing over 110 limit, likely 130-140. Should be immediate car crush.

The Queensland Police union think otherwise, they claim that it is "revenue raising", as reported in the Brisbane papers.

The Belmont Bear · Guru

As far as I know only NSW license holders will lose double demerit points if booked this weekend on NSW roads (same for WA) so it shouldnt matter one way or another to drivers from other states whether we have double demerits here or not. Just to rub salt into the wound I believe that if you hold a NSW licence and are booked in another state this weekend you will lose the same number of points that you would have lost if the offence was committed in NSW.

Izabarack · Guru

dazz49 wrote:
double demerit points does not raise any more revenue.

Of course it does. The failure of measures like double demerit programs allows the Govt to roll out more and more revenue raising while NOT doing anything effective in regards the road trauma figures.

Same same with the lack of instant loss of license for druggies and high range drink drivers and idiots using mobile phones while driving. Most of those fools are repeat offenders and a wonderful and accessible source of more revenue.

Impounding, on the spot, cars of druggies and high range drink drivers and mobile phone users would likely be effective in changing driver behaviour.

Iza

Magnarc · Guru

Last year in Melbourne I was pulled over for exceeding the limit by 5Klms. When the officer finished writing the ticket he informed me that he now had his quota for the shift.

Not revenue raising??????????

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Why did NSW fit cameras to raise money for the injured a few years back ? This is all to brainwash us I to thinking itâs all our fault the road deaths .Just like the adds now about reducing elect bills.. Hang on the elect prices went up .It had nothing to do with general public. The roads could be way better improved .The money from fuel excise etc . Remember the road tax to FIX our roads ?? Pfft the tax /excice is still being paid !! Yep its ALL our problem !! Politicians are are great people !

Aussie1 · Guru

My view is that whether one considers it revenue raising or not, it is, at the end of the day, purely "voluntary" revenue contribution. Travel safe all and enjoy Australia Day.

Possum3 · Guru

Statistics on road deaths www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-25/every-road-death-in-australia-since-1989/9353794

Desert Dweller · Guru

We've had nothing but respect for police up until about two years ago. We've been breath tested three times & pulled over for no reason of ours another three times.

Every time, the police were arrogant & totally rude pr*cks. After completing year twelve I passed the entrance exams & medical to enter the Victorian Police Academy.

At the last moment I changed my mind & became a Design Draftsman (I didn't want my hair shaved off). It was a good move on my part because I'd hate to think that I would have ended up with an attitude like theirs.

Hey Jim · Guru

If I hop on my little Honda Grom this W/E Im sure to be pulled over yet again.

Just because its small, Like the old Honda Monkey they think im a quick $ coming up. That is till I remove my Hellmet and they cop an eye full of my old head.

Twice since I got my Red P's in August.

I think they just want to PERV at my set of wheels, cause its cute. I too have lost respect for NSW Police.

Go and do the job they get paid to do by the Tax Payers.

If they are serious about stopping the carnage on our roads, use only unmarked HWP cars every where.

Jim

Aussie1 · Guru

Whilst I very much appreciate it is very bothersome for some motorists to receive fines on occasions but, to denigrate police officers (doing their job under instructions) due to a perceived "unsmiling" approach is, in my opinion, a very sad reflection on the ticket receivers. If you have done wrong, get over it and accept the penalty (or challenge it in court). Nobody could possibly have any idea what the police officer has had to "deal with" prior to giving you a ticket for something you consider minor. Most of us have had the the good fortune to go to work with no concern of imminent danger. Police officers, Ambulance personal, Fire & Rescue and hospital emergency staff do face these challenges daily. Sure, they chose their careers, and for that I believe we should be eternally grateful.

Personally, I have no, repeat no sympathy for anyone receiving a ticket. Calling it revenue raising or whatever, just remember it is your choice. Anyhow perhaps a bit of respect may assist in receiving or assisting the officer to reciprocate.

I would't mind betting the biggest "complainers" receiving infringements would be the first to want assistance from these peoples professional services should the need arise.

And should you not be happy with the laws or how they enforced, try complaining to your local politician. Now, they are fair game.

Travel safe all and do try hard to stay within the traffic laws.

hako · Guru

Aussie1 wrote:
Whilst I very much appreciate it is very bothersome for some motorists to receive fines on occasions but, to denigrate police officers (doing their job under instructions) due to a perceived "unsmiling" approach is, in my opinion, a very sad reflection on the ticket receivers. If you have done wrong, get over it and accept the penalty (or challenge it in court). Nobody could possibly have any idea what the police officer has had to "deal with" prior to giving you a ticket for something you consider minor. Most of us have had the the good fortune to go to work with no concern of imminent danger. Police officers, Ambulance personal, Fire & Rescue and hospital emergency staff do face these challenges daily. Sure, they chose their careers, and for that I believe we should be eternally grateful.

Personally, I have no, repeat no sympathy for anyone receiving a ticket. Calling it revenue raising or whatever, just remember it is your choice. Anyhow perhaps a bit of respect may assist in receiving or assisting the officer to reciprocate.

I would't mind betting the biggest "complainers" receiving infringements would be the first to want assistance from these peoples professional services should the need arise.

And should you not be happy with the laws or how they enforced, try complaining to your local politician. Now, they are fair game.

Travel safe all and do try hard to stay within the traffic laws.

Great post Aussie1 - no if's or but's I agree with you 100%. People don't realise they are they main player in the problem they complain about.

Good Luck.

Desert Dweller · Guru

Aussie1 wrote:
Whilst I very much appreciate it is very bothersome for some motorists to receive fines on occasions but, to denigrate police officers (doing their job under instructions) due to a perceived "unsmiling" approach is, in my opinion, a very sad reflection on the ticket receivers. ay within the traffic laws.

We weren't doing anything wrong (6 times) & didn't receive a ticket or a fine. All we got was a pr*ck with a bad attitude. Read peoples posts completely before jumping to incorrect conclusions.

Aussie1 · Guru

Perhaps you did not read my post before jumping mate. The attitude (as I pointed out) may well have been a direct result of some other "incident" the officer had been dealing with. But, I am personally pleased you did not receive an infringement and have not (6 times), well done. Cobber, continue to drive safe and enjoy Australia Day.

wal1 · Veteran Member

So a hypothetical DD, lets not pull over caravaners, motorhomers, or for that matter other apparently law abiding citizens or Grey Nomads that are doing no wrong. But lets pull over and test those road users that have a sign on their vehicle saying habitual drunk or drug user?

Gee that would work!

Now all we have to do, is get those possible drug or alcohol affected drivers rounded up and have their vehicles signwritten, therefore allowing those other drivers that have done nothing wrong, free to go about their business.

I figure that the police that pulled you over, either knew about you choosing not to join their ranks and the word is out, or something about your vehicle, your demeanour or your driving attracted their attraction. Not sure which one applies, you chose.

Now, I would rather have a so called did nothing wrong driver pulled over and checked, than let a recalcitrant offender escape. As far as happy smiling customer orientated non pr***s go to Mcdonalds.

Maybe next time, you can remind them of you status in society, you may as well you do it here often enough. lol smile

Wal

-- Edited by wal1 on Thursday 25th of January 2018 09:31:29 PM

Desert Dweller · Guru

wal1 wrote:
So a hypothetical DD, lets not pull over caravaners, motorhomers, or for that matter other apparently law abiding citizens or Grey Nomads that are doing no wrong. But lets pull over and test those road users that have a sign on their vehicle saying habitual drunk or drug user?
Gee that would work!
Now all we have to do, is get those possible drug or alcohol affected drivers rounded up and have their vehicles signwritten, therefore allowing those other drivers that have done nothing wrong, free to go about their business.
I figure that the police that pulled you over, either knew about you choosing not to join their ranks and the word is out, or something about your vehicle, your demeanour or your driving attracted their attraction. Not sure which one applies, you chose.
Now, I would rather have a so called did nothing wrong driver pulled over and checked, than let a recalcitrant offender escape. As far as happy smiling customer orientated non pr***s go to Mcdonalds.
Maybe next time, you can remind them of you status in society, you may as well you do it here often enough. lol
Wal

-- Edited by wal1 on Thursday 25th of January 2018 09:31:29 PM

I don't mind being pulled over at all, it's the rude manner of the police I don't like. No need for it.

Aussie1 · Guru

Perhaps a little change in one's own attitude may assist .

Santa · Guru

I agree with the double demerits system, should be in place permanently along with substantially increased fines, with automatic loss of license for blatant disregard of safety of other road users.

blaze · Guru

Nsw resources seem to take it to extreme though, I just received a infringement for speeding in Sydney on the 23/12/2017, havnt been in NSW since 2008. After lots of hours on the phone it turns out a vehicle I delicenced in WA on 30/12/2015 (it had been stolen and wrote of) somehow the plates were illaglly pass3ed on and as I was the last registed owner. Get the picture. Thus far I have spent about 2 hours with the local coppers and 6 hours on the phone to WA and NSW transport trying to sort the mess out, getting there but still someway off
cheers
blaze

KevinC · Senior Member

If every driver stuck to the speed limit, (even when it seems to be too low) and didn't drive drunk or drugged, there wouldn't be the need for so many traffic police or speed cameras. But they don't. Even members of our own forum admit to driving faster than the posted limit because they feel it's OK. So let's get a bit real. If coppers have to stand out in the sun and rain trying to protect the community from the drugged and drunk, who can blame them for getting a bit p***ed off. And since the majority of drivers seem to exceed the speed limit, even by a small margin, why would the coppers be happy about doing their job. Even the courts are happy to excuse drivers who only break the law by a little bit.

But where would we be if they weren't there?

Why don't we have more speed cameras, and scrap fuel excise? Why don't we force drivers who lose their licences to start from scratch and do their 120 hours of training and reset the test? Why ......? The list goes on. We don't do it because we are all happy to sit quietly by because no-one in our family has been killed on the road by someone drunk or speeding.
Double demerit points? Just a slap on the wrist.

Here's another thought. Maybe the future is close than we think. Electronic tachographs in every vehicle, GPS tracking, automatic trip assessment and computer based trip monitoring. Automatic fine issuing. It's not that far off. If cars can drive themselves, then recording everything a driver does would be a doddle. Makes our present traffic control look like kindergarten stuff.

Desert Dweller · Guru

Aussie1 wrote:
Perhaps a little change in one's own attitude may assist .

No attitude adjustment needed on our part. How co-operatve & friendly does one need to be?

Do you have an attitude problem with the authorities, we don't outwardly?

Aussie1 · Guru

Desert Dweller wrote:
Aussie1 wrote:
Perhaps a little change in one's own attitude may assist .
No attitude adjustment needed on our part. How co-operatve & friendly does one need to be?
Do you have an attitude problem with the authorities, we don't outwardly?

Cobber, You portrayed the issues you have had with officers of the law as if ALL of them have a bad attitude. And that is simply not the case. Now, I am typing this very slowly so you may be able to follow. These police officers (that appear to have a set against you) may, as I said above, well have been dealing with really "nasty"situations before they had the pleasure to come across your goodself. So please do take another look at your attitude towards the police.

As for me, the only attitude I have towards any authority (put in place for the benefit of all law abiding citizens) is one of absolute respect.

It ain't that difficult mate.

Anyhow, I hope you have had as good Australia Day as myself. As I said before, enjoy your travels and stay safe and obey the rules with a pleasant attitude Cobber.

adreamer · Senior Member

Desert Dweller wrote:
We've had nothing but respect for police up until about two years ago. We've been breath tested three times & pulled over for no reason of ours another three times.

Every time, the police were arrogant & totally rude pr*cks. After completing year twelve I passed the entrance exams & medical to enter the Victorian Police Academy.

At the last moment I changed my mind & became a Design Draftsman (I didn't want my hair shaved off). It was a good move on my part because I'd hate to think that I would have ended up with an attitude like theirs.

You must look like a criminal lol.

adreamer · Senior Member

Aussie1 wrote:
Desert Dweller wrote:
Aussie1 wrote:
Perhaps a little change in one's own attitude may assist .
No attitude adjustment needed on our part. How co-operatve & friendly does one need to be?
Do you have an attitude problem with the authorities, we don't outwardly?
Cobber, You portrayed the issues you have had with officers of the law as if ALL of them have a bad attitude. And that is simply not the case. Now, I am typing this very slowly so you may be able to follow. These police officers (that appear to have a set against you) may, as I said above, well have been dealing with really "nasty"situations before they had the pleasure to come across your goodself. So please do take another look at your attitude towards the police.
As for me, the only attitude I have towards any authority (put in place for the benefit of all law abiding citizens) is one of absolute respect.
It ain't that difficult mate.
Anyhow, I hope you have had as good Australia Day as myself. As I said before, enjoy your travels and stay safe and obey the rules with a pleasant attitude Cobber.

You should be a Priest Cobber