Four tonne towing for LandCruiser 200

rockylizard · Guru

Four tonne towing for LandCruiser 200

blaze · Guru

y 1989 range rover had a 4000kg tow limit, landcruise years behind as normal
cheers
blaze

Snail · Senior Member

Is this the 1989 Range Rover you mean or is there another one. This one is only 2500kg on the road.

Range Rover:

Aluminum body, permanent four-wheel drive sport/utility vehicle.

Features a 178 hp 3.9 litre fuel injected alloy V-8 engine.

ZF four-speed automatic transmission.

Manufacturer's 1989

Vehicle: Range Rover Range Rover County

Warranty:

3 years, 36,000 miles, 6 years/unlimited milage no corrosion perforation

Personnel:

71

Manufacturer:

Land Rover U.K. Ltd

Lode Lane, Solihull

West Midlands B92 8NW

United Kingdom

021-722-2424

General Specification Data

Manufacturer's 1989 suggested retail price

Vehicle: Range Rover Range Rover County

Classification: DOT = Multipurpose vehicle

EPA = Light truck (special purpose 4WD)

Chassis/Body

14 gauge boxed steel ladder frame

Welded steel underbody mounted to chassis at 10 rubber insulated points

Outer body panels are aluminum, except hood, tailgate and rear lower quarter panels, which are steel

Engine

Type V8, OHV, cast aluminum alloy cylinder heads and

block; dry cylinder liners

Displacement 241 cu in (3947 cc, 3.9 litres)

Bore & stroke 3.7 in x 2.8 in

(93.98 mm) x (71.12 mm)

Compression ratio 8.13:1

Maximum power SAE net 178 bhp at 4750 rpm

Maximum rpm 5,500+

Maximum torque 220 lb/ft at 3250 rpm

Fuel handling Lucas EFI-Hotwire L-Jetronic, multipoint, fuel

injection

Fuel requirement Unleaded - Premium recommended

Fuel economy City Hwy Combined

(EPA Adjusted Figure) 12 15 13

Vehicle performance

0-60 mph 10.9 secs

Maximum speed 109.0 mph

Standing 1/4 mile 18.1 secs at 77 mph

Transmission

Model ZF4HP22 (automatic)

Type Automatic four speed and reverse, epicyclic gearbox

with fluid torque converter and lock up

4th 0.728:1

3rd 1.000:1

2nd 1.480:1

1st 2.480:1

Reverse 2.086:1

Transfer gearbox

Model Borg-Warner 13-61

Type Two speed reduction via B-W epicyclic gears and

Morse Hy-Vo chain to double offset front and rear

driveshafts permanently engaged for 4WD via a center

differential and viscous coupling unit

High Ratio 1.2060:1

Low Ratio 3.2444:1

Overall ratio (final drive) Automatic

High transfer Low transfer

4th 3.11:1 8.36:1

3rd 4.27:1 11.48:1

2nd 6.32:1 17.00:1

1st 10.59:1 28.50:1

Reverse 8.91:1 23.96:1

Axles

Rear type Spiral bevel, fully floating hubs

Front type Spiral bevel, enclosed constant velocity joints, fully

floating hubs, angularity of universal joint of full lock

32 degrees

Ratio front and rear 3.54:1

Suspension

Front Coil springs rated at 133 lb/in, radius arms and

Panhard rod

Rear Dual rate coil springs rated at 127/180 lb/in, lower

links, "A" frame location arm arm with Boge

"Hydramat" self-energizing levelling device located

between frame and rear axle

Vertical wheel travel 8 inches front

11 inches rear

Hydraulic shock absorbers Telescopic, double acting non-adjustable, 1,375 in

(35 mm) bore

Steering

Power assisted type Adwest Varamatic, worm and roller

Ratio 19.3:1 straight ahead

Turns lock-to-lock 3.375

Steering wheel diameter 16.0 in 406 mm

Turning circle 39.4 ft 12.0 m

Front brakes

Type Outboard solid discs with four piston calipers

Operation Hydraulic, servo assisted, self-adjusting

Disc diameter 11.75 in 298.45 mm

Total pad area 15.0 sq in 98 cm2

Total swept area 252.96 sq in 1632.0 cm2

Rear brakes

Type Outboard solid discs with two piston calipers

Operation Hydraulic, servo assisted, self-adjusting

Disc diameter 11.42 in 290.0 mm

Total pad area 49.2 sq in 66 cm2/brake

Total swept area 224.4 sq in 1434.0 cm2

Vehicle dimensions

Overall length 175.0 in 4447 mm

Overall width 71.4 in 1813 mm

Overall height 70.8 in 1798 mm

Wheelbase 100.0 in 2540 mm

Track front and rear 58.5 in 1486 mm

Ground clearance

- under differential 8.0 in 204 mm

- axle 11.7 in 307 mm

- frame 14.3 in 363 mm

Front overhang 29.8 in 756 mm

Rear overhang 45.3 in 1151 mm

Angle of approach 30 degrees w/spoiler

40 degrees w/o spoiler

Angle of depature 30 degrees

Ramp breakeover angle 29 degrees

Loading height 29.3 in 743 mm

Maximum cargo height 40.0 in 1016 mm

Rear opening width 51.7 in 1314 mm

Rear opening height 40.0 in 1016 mm

Front head room 38.4 in 975 mm

Front hip room 58.3 in 1480 mm

Rear leg room (min) 32.7 in 830 mm

Useable luggage capacity

- rear seat in use 36.2 cu ft 1.01 m3

- rear seat folded 70.6 cu ft 1.98 m3

- rear seat removed 82.8 cu ft 2.32 m3

Maximum roof rack load 165 lbs 75 kg

Warranty

3 years, 36,000 miles full vehicle, limited warranty

6 years, unlimited milage, no perforation corrosion warranty

Capacities

Engine oil 5.4 US qts 5.1 litres

Fuel tank 20.0 gal 76.4 litres

Tires

Type and size Michelin X M+S 244 all purpose radial

Tire size 205R16 (tubeless)

Wheels Alloy, 5 stud 7.00 x 16 in

Weights & Towing capacity

Front Rear Total

Curb weight 2196 lbs (996 kg) 2176 lbs (987 kg) 4372 lbs (1983 kg)

Gross vehicle weight 5997 lbs (2720 kg)

Maximum permissible

tongue weight 550 lbs (250 kg)

Maximum axle loads 2535 lbs (1150 kg) 3572 lbs (1620 kg)

Maximum permissible towed weights

On-road Off-road

Trailers without brakes 1650 lbs (750 kg) 1650 lbs (750 kg)

Trailers with brakes

- High transfer range 5500 lbs (2500 kg) 2200 lbs (1000 kg)

- Low transfer range 7700 lbs (3500 kg) 2200 lbs (1000 kg)

blaze · Guru

mine was manual and quite clearly plated on the towbar
cheers
blaze

ps will add I don't nessarly think it would have been safe but was certainly certified for that weight

-- Edited by blaze on Saturday 23rd of July 2016 04:42:55 PM

redtails · Veteran Member

a few facts beat some numbers on a towbar..... well done snail

BruDi · Senior Member

We're about to get a 200 Series, when it finally arrives in Oz, and are getting the Lovells GVM upgrade and have been looking for the GCM upgrade and so hope this is here before we take delivery for we'll get it done too. From our research it would seem no vehicle really has a 3.5T towing capacity because you would be over the GCM. We don't ever intend to tow 3.5T but want to be absolutely legal.

Towbar saying 4 tonne simply means it was a 4 tonne towbar to my thinking, not that the vehicle could tow that; the compliance plate for the vehicle is the real arbiter.

Di

blaze · Guru

BruDi wrote:

Towbar saying 4 tonne simply means it was a 4 tonne towbar to my thinking, not that the vehicle could tow that; the compliance plate for the vehicle is the real arbiter.

Di

So the plate they put on your upgraded 200 series wont mean jack ****, but wait its a toyota

just saying

cheers

blaze

BruDi · Senior Member

Sorry, but no. It will not mean 'jack ****' as you put it because it is certified by the Federal Dept of Transport and we will have a valid updated compliance plate that is recognised Australia wide.

May I suggest you do some research and you'll find it is possible to get a compliance plate upgrade, even after first registration. I've done a huge amount of research concerning this.

Here's the info from Lovells.

Lovells GVM Upgrade suspension kits are fully track tested in conjunction with a Certified Automotive Engineering Signatory over many days to achieve maximum stability, braking performance, ADR (Australian Design Rules) conformity and operator comfort, before test data and documentation are forwarded to the DEPARTMENT of INFRASTRUCTURE, TRANSPORT, REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT and LOCAL GOVERNMENT for full analysis.

The National Codes and laws that must be met are extremely stringent and it can take up to 6 months for all data to be analysed in full by the Road Safety Engineers in Canberra. Once the Department is satisfied with all dynamic testing and theoretical data, it is only then that Lovells are issued with certification of Secondary Manufacture for GVM Upgrades.
Lovells GVM Upgrade Kits provide a solution for owners/managers of Toyota Landcruiser, Toyota Hilux and Nissan Patrol vehicles who have a need to carry loads which exceed the Original Equipment GVM specifications while at the same time meeting the practical and documentary compliance requirements of Work Safety, Police Licensing, Insurance, Lessors and Fleet Managers.

Lovells GVM Upgrade suspension kits are fully track tested in conjunction with a Certified Automotive Engineering Signatory over many days to achieve maximum stability, braking performance, ADR (Australian Design Rules) conformity and operator comfort, before test data and documentation are forwarded to the DEPARTMENT of INFRASTRUCTURE, TRANSPORT, REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT and LOCAL GOVERNMENT for full analysis.
The National Codes and laws that must be met are extremely stringent and it can take up to 6 months for all data to be analysed in full by the Road Safety Engineers in Canberra. Once the Department is satisfied with all dynamic testing and theoretical data, it is only then that Lovells are issued with certification of Secondary Manufacture for GVM Upgrades.
Lovells GVM Upgrade Kits provide a solution for owners/managers of Toyota Landcruiser, Toyota Hilux and Nissan Patrol vehicles who have a need to carry loads which exceed the Original Equipment GVM specifications while at the same time meeting the practical and documentary compliance requirements of Work Safety, Police Licensing, Insurance, Lessors and Fleet Managers.

Di

macka17 · Guru

With that LR Towing limits.

It was the thing back then.
"I can tow more than you" syndrome.

Once you tried though. sensibilities prevailed.

mate of mine bought one, Disco.
I can tow my boat down the ramp without bloody truck from now on.

Yea.

Once to ramp.
TRUCK brought it back.

Any person that tows ANYTHING weighing more than his/her tug.
Regardless of what it says on paper. wants their brain reading.

Personally. I wouldn't tow more than 2.2ish ton with my D Max MAXIMUM.
and never towed more than 2.8ton any distance ON ROADS with my Patrols.

Those loads and over WILL control your tow vehicle in anything but a straight line or in wet.
WHEN something untoward occurs.

Believe me. and any other ex truckie with long miles under our belts.

90% odf these modern retirees buying these huge vans and small tugs, are accidents happening..
Even the 200 ser, Patrol etc are under sized,
Once you hit 3 ton tow weight

As you will all come to realise when the mobile scalies come more into play.

Even ONE WHEEL OF ONE AXLE load out.
Puts you off the road.

They weigh by the WHEEL. Not the axle or combined mass.
except as total.

Every tyre and axle on both tug and tow has a weight max. Check them b4 you go.

We had to on trucks with every load we moved.
You lot no different.
And have fun.

PS.

Regarding that Lovells post above.

Upgrading suspensions for weight "carrying" is one thing.

Still not a good thing to do to a chassis designed and built for a certain loading.

BUT it'll make NOdifference to towing.

Weight and leverage are such,

Centralising of axle alignment, drawbar length. front. rear weights.

Regardles of any "upgrading."

Gravity is gravity.

-- Edited by macka17 on Saturday 23rd of July 2016 08:57:01 PM

Woody n Sue · Guru

I have to agree with Macka17 he is spot on as a farmer who delivers some of my own grain to end users and with mass managment I am allowed 45.500 tonne however as my prime mover is a long wheel base I can not get 6 tonne on the front axel only 5.6 so in reality I can only load to 45 .100 tonne because if I load to 45.500 my drive axels will be over weight and if I get put over a weigh bridge by Vic roads that weighs individual axel groups I will be over weight and as such I will be booked for being over weight, plane and simple.
Look out caravan drivers when they start putting vans over the scales too ',, and they will in due course that you can be sure of that it will be another revenue sorce for the government .

Now BruDi I also checked out getting my patrol cab chassis GVM up graded how ever after learning just what you have posted I also discovered that a GVM upgrade did NOT increase the GCM ( gross combined weight ) it only allowed more weight in the ute it does not allow you to TOW 1 kg more than you can now . Be carefull if that is your plan it will not work
Woody

BruDi · Senior Member

Thanks Woody, but it's not just the GVM but the GCM that has to be considered. I had no understanding of the various terms and so I decided to investigate and now realise that the sales pitch for 3.5 tonne is just plain wrong. We're upgrading the suspension on our 200 Series as we do a lot of offroad travel and the vehicle will carry more weight then. The GVM would be reached very quickly. As the maximum we tow is 2.5 tonne we will not be outside the GCM, but if we get the GCM upgraded it gives us more options. When we tow our Vista Crossover we are towing 1.6 tonnes (these are fully laden weights).

The original post was about the GCM upgrade not the GVM.

Di

Woody n Sue · Guru

Hi BruDi I were unaware in my research in Vic that I could get a GCM upgrade I just may look into this again good luck .
Woody

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Also .. What is your max weight on your drivers licence ?? Some of the better rigs I have seen are light trucks , 5 ton or so ., But they don't come off the showroom floor suitable !! Fuel consumption is hardly compromised..

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

BruDi wrote:
We're about to get a 200 Series, when it finally arrives in Oz, and are getting the Lovells GVM upgrade and have been looking for the GCM upgrade ................

You can sometimes get a GCM upgrade for a vehicle with a GVM of over 4.5T, but I have NEVER heard of a GCM upgrade to a vehicle with a GVM of under 4.5T.

Cheers,

Peter

macka17 · Guru

Agree with Peter there.
4.5ton is START of commercial rating for motor veh's I think you'll find.
Below that they classed private. Apart fron some vans and such.

Also Kiwi.

The reason I kept my Heavy Vehicle driving licence.
Was To cover trucks for furniture moving for kids.
Large vans if max sizes come in for tow vehicles. Trailers/caravans.
Buses for/as motorhomes
and occasional part time crane work.

The Multi and Heavy Haulage/dangerous goods tickets were all handed in at 60.

MOST on here and nomads will have a car licence. and most again,
towed nothing much more than a 6.4 or fishing boat.

Only two things make vehicles and rigs safe on the road.

Training and experience.

The sooner people realise this the better.
Learn correctly first.
the rest comes with practice.

BUT PLEASE LEARN.... For all our sakes.

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Yep experience . Having grown up on dairy farm and helped out on the odd cattle farm on hill country you SOON learn about weight and traction . Nothing like the feeling with tonnage behind you pushing you down a 100m hill . Keeping the trailer from Jack knifing at very low speeds . Although we learnt all that by 10 year olds .. Knowing what happens and knowing the limits ., !! Believe it or not on hills with tractor if it skids you you actually have to go faster to gain traction !! Then there's the fun we had driving our cars rally style .. Experience you wouldn't get hardly any where else . Btw I still need my MR licence to drive my motorhome . Ok off topic .. Sorta .. Lol

Silver Anchor · Member

Even Lovells are sheepishly admitting this upgrade is GVM only. Does not alter the 6800kg GCM set by Toyota. Penalty in Vic is calculated as a % of how much overweight you ere
ie If you are allowed 6000kg and are weighed at 6600kg it is 10% overload. 1%=$345 so fine could be 3500.
Many still believe this isn't happening but it is and plenty of photos to prove it notably Cann River Vic, Surt Hwy Yamba.

BruDi · Senior Member

Wrong Silver Anchor,

We spoke with Lovell's today and within approximately 3 weeks it will be possible to get not only a GVM upgrade but a GCM upgrade.

Di

Silver Anchor · Member

So this means it will be what 8 ton all up. Id like to see what Toyota thinks of this and whether this will be covered by warranty

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

I'd say it's beefing up suspension ? Making it better to drive . But physics are physics . Plus you can't beat the law ! The beeffed suspension pretty much means it won't wear half as quick as std . But load limits chassis / law wise doesn't change . Tmk.