POLL - Suitable Names For Camps With No Fees For Campers

Vic41 · Guru

POLL - Suitable Names For Camps With No Fees For Campers

landy · Guru

Vic41 wrote:

I am sure there are other names that could be used for this type of camping, and we have had polls in the past for some of the names, I thought it may be time for another. Please feel free to comment or add other names in posts etc;

-- Edited by Vic41 on Sunday 30th of March 2014 10:44:40 PM

How about ECONOMIC camping vic. biggrin

Willow · Veteran Member

I chose Bush and Beach because for me, money doesn't come into it. Free or no fee is not the point. I am happy to pay for a site away from televisions, aircons, generators, dogs and especially that Macca bloke on the wireless. I usually refer to it as natural camping.

Vic41 · Guru

landy wrote:

How about ECONOMIC camping vic.

All other names appreciated Landy, could those with another name put a tick in the "other names" box please to indicate you have another choice or suggestion as well as a post etc.....

Dunmowin · Guru

Regardless of what you call it, it is our FREEDOM OF CHOICE as to where we camp, so I still stick to Freedom Camping.

Vic41 · Guru

Dunmowin wrote:
Regardless of what you call it, it is our FREEDOM OF CHOICE as to where we camp, so I still stick to Freedom Camping.

Your post and choice appreciated, just wondering what you think of the term Free Choice Camps or Free Choice Camping? confuse

Not asking you to change your term (Freedom Camping) just asking if that sounds ok too ???? confuse

-- Edited by Vic41 on Monday 31st of March 2014 03:21:34 AM

GaryKelly · Guru

If someone said they had been camping, my first thought would definitely not be a caravan park. Who the hell camps in CPs? Is there a stigma attached to the word 'free'? It certainly doesn't bother me. I'll just continue to call it camping. And Willow, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Macca is a pain. I believe it's for others to refer to a person by nickname, not himself. John Laws, for example, never refers to himself as Lawsy even though everyone else does. I remember one time Bob Rogers swore on air at 2UE (deliberately to get out of his contract) and was immediately taken off air. In a frantic search for a replacement, they grabbed one of the sales reps who had worked in country radio. He opened the mic and announced "Smithy here". Hehe. How lamo.

rockylizard · Guru

Gday...

Before we all became old and grey and got caught up in needing a name for everything, it was simply called camping.

Just because we now utilise a big "aluminium tent" (caravan) it hasn't changed - it is simply camping.

This is "camping" today - whether it is at no cost, a small fee or large fee -

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However, this is what many travellers these days consider to be camping -

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A great life? Ugly isn't it? Abhorrent? It is this style of travelling/sleeping and the insistence that it be provided free by the communities that have to look at scenes like this that creates such adverse comment/reaction from the non-travelling public.

Then again perhaps this provides it all in perspective -

So - why does it need to have any "name" at all .... it is just CAMPING.

Cheers - JOhn

Radar · Guru

Hi All,

Camping away from c/p's be called Freedom Camping or Reserve Camping as a lot of this ground where we camp is the remains of old stock routes, travelling stock resting/ grazing land from way back before road transport took over moving stock about. Some maybe unused crown land.

Yendorane · Senior Member

Hi All,

I reckon it should be called choice camping after all it is our choice to stop where we want.

My two bob's worth.

Cheers Yendorane

Dougwe · Chief one feather

I have a habbit of calling it "free" camp if it is not costing anything but trying to get out of habbit and maybe say "alternative".

I am currently in Byron Bay at what could be called a van park, camp park, low cost park. Depends on how you class this particular place. To me as a solo it is a "low cost" park. There are a mixture of vans, campers, wizbangs, tents and people sleeping in their car. There is a mixture of people too.

I call it a bit on the rough side but happy to stay here for the reason I am here. Car problem yet again or should I say still, bugga.

-- Edited by Dougwe on Monday 31st of March 2014 10:13:50 AM

ibbo · Senior Member

Willow wrote:
I chose Bush and Beach because for me, money doesn't come into it. Free or no fee is not the point. I am happy to pay for a site away from televisions, aircons, generators, dogs and especially that Macca bloke on the wireless. I usually refer to it as natural camping.

With you Steve.Beach and Bush is the way we go.Disagree about Macca though.Lol.

copper1 · Guru

Dougwe wrote:
. Car problem yet again or should I say still, bugga.

-- Edited by Dougwe on Monday 31st of March 2014 10:13:50 AM

Mate might be time to trade the OLD Girl in for another, don't need hassles like that out doing the BIG lap.

Hope you are well otherwise.

Vic41 · Guru

Dougwe wrote:
I have a habbit of calling it "free" camp if it is not costing anything but trying to get out of habbit and maybe say "alternative".

I think it depends on a person's interpretation of "free" Doug, eg; free entry to an event, yes there is a cost to the people holding the event but to those attending it is "free" so can't really see the difference in what is called "free camping" to me it just signifies it is free to those wishing to camp there. Whether those providing the "free camp" have to pay to empty rubbish bins, service toilets etc is irrelevant IMHO. Another way of looking at it is the word "free", eg; Free Beaches usually means clothing is optional, you can go nude if you wish, see; http://www.freebeach.com.au/ so maybe those who have said just "camping" is the way to go. All up to the individual I believe on what they want to call it.

On "Macca on a Sunday" (ABC Radio), during our trips around Oz, Macca on a Sunday kept us entertained on our long trips (if we had radio reception), it is not so much Macca himself but the characters he interviews live especially those from remote places, we found those very interesting.....

PS: Hope you get the car fixed ok Doug....

-- Edited by Vic41 on Monday 31st of March 2014 01:20:35 PM

Vic41 · Guru

Please choose a choice if you have one and click on the poll can click on "Other" and make a post on your other choice/or none choice if you wish.

Clicking on the poll only does not identify the member, but you cannot change your choice once clicked.

At the moment Freedom Camping is ahead on the poll but things can change either way if members who want to vote.

Interesting to note that NZ use the terms Freedom Camping (and even have a Freedom Camping Act) and Free Camping, see;

http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recreation/places-to-stay/freedom-camping/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camping_in_New_Zealand

http://www.tourism.net.nz/new-zealand/about-new-zealand/free-camping.html

-- Edited by Vic41 on Monday 31st of March 2014 02:02:15 PM

blaze · Guru

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dING · Senior Member

Is the name chosen to become compulsary

Then "Will we have to pay a royalty if we use that name"

Will a lobby group then be formed to counter

The CP lobby lobby group who wish to ban

The above lifestyle or hobby

Finally will I wake up in the morning with a Hangover

Vic41 · Guru

Who knows dING, I don't really care what we call it, what suits each person is best IMHO. aww

This is just an interest thread to see what others opinions are on the use of (any) name for camping with no fees.....

Feel free to give it a name if you wish, or not at all.

Bit hard to ask a question on the forum about places to camp free though if you can't use a name of some sort to describe it, I suppose " is there a place to camp for free near Woop Woop" is as good as any..... hmm

dING · Senior Member

Well the hangover is a given

Cause just made a nother batch of

Honey whisky but I have Been camping

For 60 odd years praps even longer

Cause I was a scout in me younger days

And to be truthful it has never occurred

To me to pay to roll the swag or put up a tent

Tis a alien concept but have paid to park a van

A few times but not anymore cause tis to

Expensive and congested but it takes

All sorts maybe you should rename it

"Pensioner parking" and attempt to garner

Some public sympathy fot the poor ol pensioner

dazren · Guru

Dougwe wrote [ in part ] I call it a bit on the rough side but happy to stay here for the reason I am here. Car problem yet again or should I say still, bugga.

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Doug check and see if you have a WBSF Filter on you model toyota, ?? As i do not think Toyota fit them as standard ??

And I know without them Cars can have a lot of trouble Starting. hmm and I know you have travelled in some area's that would cause trouble if a WBSF was not fitted, ??

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Copper 1 wrote,, to Dougwe

Mate might be time to trade the OLD Girl in for another, don't need hassles like that out doing the BIG lap.

Hope you are well otherwise.

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Gidday Copper1, Hope all is going well, now your back on the bigger Island, But I disagree with Dougwe Trading the Prado, It's a good car, capable 4WD, and economical to run ,on the Lpg, and very comfortable,

I reckon he has just got one of those ''Quiky, Irritating" little hard to find faults, that any make and Model can get at times, If i was him, I would rather spend a grand on finding and fixing it, Than doing a changeover, as that could be expensive, hmm

03_troopy · Guru

Free camping has nothing to do with fees. It simply means camping without all the amenities such as 240V power, water supply, dunnies, shops, canteens etc.. etc... It simply means you are self sufficient and camping away from civilisation.

Vic41 · Guru

dING wrote:
snip.......maybe you should rename it

"Pensioner parking" and attempt to garner

Some public sympathy fot the poor ol pensioner.....snip

I don't know that anyone is trying to rename anything dING, however if you are happy with "pensioner parking" and want to get that accepted then go for it, or just pick the term which best suits you, nobody is obliged to use any term as far as I can see....... smile

I notice that if you google Free Camping it brings up numerous sites in Australia which quote Free Camping while Freedom Camping seems to be a term mainly used in NZ, although they also use Free Camping as well as Freedom Camping. hmm

Free Camping seems to be the most widely used term in the Australian community according to the websites and info on Google. blankstare

-- Edited by Vic41 on Monday 31st of March 2014 06:52:10 PM

03_troopy · Guru

I thought I was onto a good thing the other day. I saw a sign offering free eggs. I didn't know what range eggs were, but if they were giving them away them away for free, i'd have some. Wouldn't you know it, the bloody stall was closed when we got there. Must have given them all away already.

Vic41 · Guru

03_troopy wrote:
I thought I was onto a good thing the other day. I saw a sign offering free eggs. I didn't know what range eggs were, but if they were giving them away them away for free, i'd have some. Wouldn't you know it, the bloody stall was closed when we got there. Must have given them all away already.

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johnq · Guru

Public camping suits me.

Although the problem is that government does not see community benefit as an aim anymore. Everything is subject to commodification and endless regulations. We pay twice: what was previously paid for by taxes is suddenly 'user pays' or sold off for entrepreneurs to make a profit. Recently a departing federal government boasted it has passed 2.000 new laws to control us. Say what?! The word 'free' draws the weasels.

tezza · Senior Member

Why do we need to name it , just do it.

dING · Senior Member

Hmmmm must be more careful of what I post

On this forum ---- As I have a strange sense of humour

And the ridiculous and tis rare on the forums that I

Post for my posts to be taken literally most require

A small pinch of salt to become comprehensible

(And thank you Vic 41 for your kind assistance

With tother post) --- No salt required on last bit

Vic41 · Guru

tezza wrote:
Why do we need to name it , just do it.

Yes, you are right Tezza, as I said previously whatever name suits anyone best, if you are going to talk about it here or elsewhere you need to call it something otherwise how can others know what you are talking about? so I guess just use whatever you feel comfortable with. smile

My poll title could have been worded better, some on here were concerned what the press and certain councils and anti camping lobbies were reading into any wording using "free" to try to curtail this type of camping and trying to reduce their camping options. hmm

For myself I was also curious on what others refer to it as in general when discussing it. confuse

dING......keep up the subtle humour smile

johnq · Guru

It is because 'free' camping is being made into a contentious issue by local authorities that we do need to re-frame it to regain the community benefit focus that used to exist.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Local authorities shouldn't be using the few vandals and they are vandals, to damn the many who take care of camp sites and facilities. However local government councillors like their State and federal couterparts are expecting far higher remuneration and benefits and they are extending their services (and taxes) beyond what councils used to provide. It is commodification of previously free or near free services and diversification of charging yet again, this time to make a profit centre out of public camping.

Is there to be no facility or service that government provides that is free, subsidised or at cost to provide a public benefit? Public benefit is being cast as a licence to bludge, vandalise and generally take advantage of the good rate payers. Regrettably, ratepayers are being encouraged to think parochial, to be the proverbial dog-in-the-manger. What local government should be doing is reviewing its priorities and thinking laterally to obtain better results for their ratepayers.

The indigenous longrassers who urinate in shop doorways in Darwin, the homeless (who like the longrassers are receiving Centrelink) and the small element of the international youth tourists and even grey nomads who soil Australia and put rubbish everywhere present problems that need to be studied and solved. They should not be allowed to be used an excuses to deny services and access. They break laws that already exist and new regulations are not required.

Why should we flinch from re-affirming that regardless of whether it is local, State or federal government we are all Australians. Besides, it is in the public interest that provision be made for free and cheap public camping and not just for overnight travellers. Choosing words that are the best fit for us to describe public camping and to argue our case is part of that.

Vic41 · Guru

johnq wrote:
It is because 'free' camping is being made into a contentious issue by local authorities that we do need to re-frame it to regain the community benefit focus that used to exist.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Local authorities shouldn't be using the few vandals and they are vandals, to damn the many who take care of camp sites and facilities. However local government councillors like their State and federal couterparts are expecting far higher remuneration and benefits and they are extending their services (and taxes) beyond what councils used to provide. It is commodification of previously free or near free services and diversification of charging yet again, this time to make a profit centre out of public camping.

Is there to be no facility or service that government provides that is free, subsidised or at cost to provide a public benefit? Public benefit is being cast as a licence to bludge, vandalise and generally take advantage of the good rate payers. Regrettably, ratepayers are being encouraged to think parochial, to be the proverbial dog-in-the-manger. What local government should be doing is reviewing its priorities and thinking laterally to obtain better results for their ratepayers.

The indigenous longrassers who urinate in shop doorways in Darwin, the homeless (who like the longrassers are receiving Centrelink) and the small element of the international youth tourists and even grey nomads who soil Australia and put rubbish everywhere present problems that need to be studied and solved. They should not be allowed to be used an excuses to deny services and access. They break laws that already exist and new regulations are not required.

Why should we flinch from re-affirming that regardless of whether it is local, State or federal government we are all Australians. Besides, it is in the public interest that provision be made for free and cheap public camping and not just for overnight travellers. Choosing words that are the best fit for us to describe public camping and to argue our case is part of that.

Good points John and well written smile