Guns in NSW National Parks

dazren · Guru

Guns in NSW National Parks

GaryKelly · Guru

Just received an email from Getup about amateur hunting in national parks. Quote: Just hours ago new details regarding a program that allows hunting in NSW National Parks were announced. Even without the detail we know the most important thing: amateur hunting in National Parks is too dangerous to allow.

Premier Barry O'Farrell acted against good advice, broke his pre-election promise that there will never be hunting in National Parks and made a dangerous deal with the Shooters Party. We can't let him get away with trading our safety for political gain.

You can check out the ad that Getup wants to run in Sunday's Sun Herald. www.getup.org.au/not-worth-the-risk

Santa · Guru

Emotive claptrap, Getup are a mob of stirring radical ratbags, the picture they have chosen to promote their cause proves the point.

neilnruth · Guru

Careful....this is politics. Not allowed methinks.

johnno48 · Veteran Member

Get up is politics at its worst.Be assured it will be done safely under strict controls by people that have been checked out by authorities.

This culling needs to be done to protect our flora and fauna and the livlihood of adjoining landholders!!

Roving-Dutchy · Guru

There it goes another flight of pink elephants, if you believe the assurances given by pollies you will believe anything.
Cheers
David

GaryKelly · Guru

I would hope that any hunting is restricted to areas that are a long, long way from camp sites, and that hunters are not free to hunt anywhere they choose. Remember these are not professionals we're talking about here, but amateurs. For me, this is not about politics, it's about GNs and their playground. If that's not relevant to these forums, I dunno what is.

miroku12g · Senior Member

With you Santa,
Scare mongering ratbags/ Scum

Miroku12g

Santa · Guru

The way it's done in the Flinders Ranges (controlling Wild goats) is the area is closed to the public periodically when shooters are allowed access.

Shooters and the public are not turned loose in the same area, so the situation depicted by the (getup looney mob) would never occur.

KFT · Guru

worth noting also that the hunters have been tested and are accredited to do this it is not just any jo blo with a firearm.

they are also under close supervision of park rangers for the entire operation.

frank

johnq · Guru

A similar arrangement has been operating successfully in Victoria for many years.

I didn't think that anyone gave GetUp any credence at all. An election year and there will be plenty of hysteria.

dazren · Guru

miroku12g wrote , ----

Scare mongering ratbags/ Scum

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Love it !! so you have read up on them to eh ?? [ LoL

Cupie · Guru

A rather emotive add I would have thought.

In my youth I was an avid hunter/shooter but these days, although I love the feel of a well crafted rifle, I have absolutely no desire to shoot any sort of vermin as I did with vigor in my youth. Just like not liking to catch lots of fish. Just enough for the day's pan is enough fort me. Though I feel different about redclaw in SEQ waters .. Can't get enough of them.

Of course there has long been lots of shooting in National parks. A friend has a son who is a Parks Ranger, who often shoots tens maybe hundreds of wild pigs in Qld National parks as part of his everyday job.

There are some d@#$ head caravan drivers out there just like there is a minority of d@#$ head shooters. As there has always been.

GaryKelly · Guru

I thought it was reasonable to quote the source of my info. I'll know better next time.

Santa · Guru

GaryKelly wrote:
I thought it was reasonable to quote the source of my info.

My feeling as well. smile

way2gokev · Senior Member

GaryKelly wrote:
Just received an email from Getup about amateur hunting in national parks. Quote: Just hours ago new details regarding a program that allows hunting in NSW National Parks were announced. Even without the detail we know the most important thing: amateur hunting in National Parks is too dangerous to allow.

Premier Barry O'Farrell acted against good advice, broke his pre-election promise that there will never be hunting in National Parks and made a dangerous deal with the Shooters Party. We can't let him get away with trading our safety for political gain.
You can check out the ad that Getup wants to run in Sunday's Sun Herald. www.getup.org.au/not-worth-the-risk
Well what an emmotive bunch of rednecks that getup crowd is they thrive on bull**** and donations from people with to much money and not enough brains. It is groups like them that have brought Tassie to its knees. We had a timber industry that was sustainable but taken over by greed and then shafted by the green movement and the allmighty dollar. The clean cheap power industry in Tassie was tore down by brown and his mob, we would have had an abundance of power if the Franklin and the Snowey range power stations had been built. We had many small farms that were productive but now it is to expensive to farm, the dollar is to high and we are being overrun by native and imported animals.

I have been a shooter all my life mainly culling wallaby and possum but new rules and regulation have dampened my desire, what is the point when you have neighbours who have acreage and turn it into a wildlife sanctury, the wallaby have a field day eating your grass then scooting back to their sanctury next door. I mean what hope have we got when tassie's gov and the feds spend millions on the phatom fox, it is a joke, no wonder a man wants to hit the road and get away from all this crap.

Between governments, the greens and the high dollar tassie in years to come will be a retirement village with no industry and farming just a service industry to look after us oldies.

The proposed culling by parks in conjunction with amatuer shooters will be strictly controlled and it is a neccasary evil to reduce numbers or soon you wont have a park to enjoy.

Have a goodday

Kev

Boothie · Senior Member

Kev,

My sentiments exactly and furthermore I would like to add the more amatuer shooters that are out there taking out the ferals, the better the country will be. Feral animals should be controlled across Australia and the only way it can be done is to allow amatuers, with the guidance required by the authorities to obliterate ferals. The one problem I don't have is that to teach young people firearm safety and an appreciation of the australian wildlife. To do that is to provide every 13 year old an air rifle to take out the sparrows, blackbirds, indian mynahs, starlings and spotted turtle-doves. Have I missed any?

But the problem we have then is dragging them away from a machine that inhibits life skills!

sandsmere · Guru

Agree 100% with you Santa and Kev .

We went through all this cr@p on here a few months ago .

Vermin needs culling . They are a huge threat to the natura leco system .

GaryKelly · Guru

No one in his right mind would disagree with the need for culling. My question is, was there a need for culling before white settlement. Foxes were introduced by hunters. Rabbits, I suspect, for a similar reason. The sugar industry introduced cane toads. Farmers grew crops that fed indigenous wildlife. And on and on it goes. Ferals didn't get here by themselves. So now we're stuck with problems we should never have had in the first place. If we're going to accuse people of being idiots, lets start with the people who caused this mess to begin with, and those of a similar mentality. Finger pointing and hurling insults ain't gonna solve a damn thing.

Boothie · Senior Member

I have been avoiding this because not only is it politically incorrect to even talk about taking a head shot on a feral animal that will humanely kill it or to do the same to a feral terrorist at 1.5km. Technology today will allow the average weekend shooter to take out our feral terrorist beasts at 600 metres without a problem. The bigger ones that is. Rabbits at 150 metres is easy, 300 metres and it gets technical.

As far as the topic is concerned, I have worked with professionals who shoot first and do the clean up later. I have worked with amatuers who have done the same. Only worked with them once. The shot has to be the first shot, if it isn't, you track, with haste it and put it out of its misery.

So as far as I am concerned, let them in, cheaper than the pros and probably ethically better. Only problem I have is that the shooter will not be allowed to take and use the animal.

And what we need to consider is that us white fellas brought the fox, rabbit, cat, rat, mouse, camel, horse, sparrow, blackbird, fallow deer, rusa deer, red deer and all the other ferals to our land. Includes starfish and other salt water life in the ballast water of ships.

So I would suggest that we need to clean it all up now one shot at a time starting with cats.

And the best start is amatuers because they probably have already walked the bush and seen the ferals!

-- Edited by Boothie on Saturday 16th of February 2013 11:34:07 PM

03_troopy · Guru

Boothie wrote:
I have been avoiding this because not only is it politically incorrect to even talk about taking a head shot on a feral animal that will humanely kill it or to do the same to a feral terrorist at 1.5km. Technology today will allow the average weekend shooter to take out our feral terrorist beasts at 600 metres without a problem. The bigger ones that is. Rabbits at 150 metres is easy, 300 metres and it gets technical.
As far as the topic is concerned, I have worked with professionals who shoot first and do the clean up later. I have worked with amatuers who have done the same. Only worked with them once. The shot has to be the first shot, if it isn't, you track, with haste it and put it out of its misery.
So as far as I am concerned, let them in, cheaper than the pros and probably ethically better. Only problem I have is that the shooter will not be allowed to take and use the animal.
And what we need to consider is that us white fellas brought the fox, rabbit, cat, rat, mouse, camel, horse, sparrow, blackbird, fallow deer, rusa deer, red deer and all the other ferals to our land. Includes starfish and other salt water life in the ballast water of ships.
So I would suggest that we need to clean it all up now one shot at a time starting with cats.
And the best start is amatuers because they probably have already walked the bush and seen the ferals!

-- Edited by Boothie on Saturday 16th of February 2013 11:34:07 PM

You forgot trout. Another feral that displaces native fish species in some rivers. The problem is trout have become an "acceptable" feral to anglers because of their fishing qualities.

GaryKelly · Guru

Good to see your constructive and reasoned comments, Boothie. Carp is another fish that's causing havoc. I must add that I have no fear of hoards of anglers with fishing rods taking over our National Parks hehe.

ken · Veteran Member

As an avid gun nut as I am called.
At school in year seven or 1st form for me, we had the N.S.W police and The Kapooka army officers put on a weekend organised by the lions club.
We where shown the proper and safe ways of handling weapons on the first day. Then taken to different rifle ranges including pistol ranges under strict supervision for practical.
In Victoria they have various shooting sports for schools again under strict supervision with high levels of discipline.
The trouble is the media its news worthy if there is a shooting in the states but the stabbings, murders and other thing in the states we don't hear of.
We never hear of it's a nice on the road in Australia and how many grey nomads are enjoying a nice and peaceful day.

Just a thought
Ken & Cheryl
P.S my wife now shoots clay target and woops my butt regularly