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Toowoomba Range or Cunninghams Gap ?


I'm still a little nervous about towing my camper behind my car down the range to Brisbane, I would greatly appreciate everyones advice on the best option or is their another way that is less daunting..........I will be travelling from Melbourne

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Toowoomba range two lanes have done plenty of time drop down a gear to save the brakes

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Cunningham Gap is ok - just drop down a gear, and take it slow and easy - be alert - whichever way you go - whereabouts in Brissy are you headed?

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the rule of thumb when I was a truckie was, use the same gear going down as you would going up. I also turn up the electric brakes a little so that the van is braking slightly ahead of the tug. On steep hills like that, keep your speed down to below 40 ks and in the correct gear and you should be ok. Slowly slowly, you've got all the time in the world Hope this helps

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Cunningham Gap is a much longer decent than the Towoombah Range but nowhere as steep.
Drop down a gear (or two) and drive to the conditions.
Remember these hills are traversed every day by very heavy transport vehicles without mishap.
If these hills worry you then you'll finish up a nervous wreck after few years on the road.
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Spent 40 years driving semi's all over Europe, Africa and Australia, been down some of the steepest and longest hills one 11 kls and between 7 and 10% with 29 tonne in the trailer. As long as you take it nice and steady, there's nothing to worry about, the secret is not to overheat your brakes by going too fast

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Didn't have engine brakes in the early days either, had to rely on gears

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thanks guys :)
Ozjohn its not really the hills themselves that worry me, if I wasn't towing it wouldn't be a problem, I'm just nervous because I'm towing with a car (suburu liberty) and not a 4 wheel drive and until I tackle these spots I'm unsure of how it will handle on a steep slope so I was hoping to take the easiest route first until I see how it goes.
Jules I'm headed for a short stay with friends in the northern suburbs then heading to FNQ

Is Cunninghams gap 2 lanes also Brickies

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personal choice would be the range, it has a flat spot in the middle for you to have a break if you need it... The suby will be fine, cuninghams has way too many misshaps for my liking......but thats a personal issue after living in oakey and doing the run almost daily for five years or so.....

You could always do the old road through murphys creek the first time if you wanted a quieter road.

Rule of thumb...low gear slow and steady you will be fine

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Grumpyone is right many more mishaps on Cuninghams than Toowoomba Range there is two lane cutting back to one lane and cause some drivers to race to pass before is cuts back to one and we all know can be the result if they don't pull it off . If you are traveling on the newell Highway it take you through Toowoomba

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If you are going to the northern side of Brisbane why don't you go through Goondiwindi, Moonie and so forth and come back in a Cabooture. Then you miss both of them.

I have done both the above and Cunningham Gap. Rather do the above any time.

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Toowoomba range every time

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Happywanderer wrote:

If you are going to the northern side of Brisbane why don't you go through Goondiwindi, Moonie and so forth and come back in a Cabooture. Then you miss both of them.

I have done both the above and Cunningham Gap. Rather do the above any time.



What are the roads like that way Happywanderer,  I used to go to that area quite regularly from Caboolture to Somerset Dam when the kids were little but that is many many years ago biggrin

 



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Hi  ..

Neither poses a problem if you do it slowly.

I have taken a large 21' 6" van down both many times.

All I do is approach the top at a low speed & select a low gear (usually second of five) and just 'wind' it down, traveling in the slow (truckies lane) often tucked in behind a semi.

The breaks are used very sparingly.

I get > 50,000 km out of a set of pads on the vehicle & the van has done 160,000 on the original linings.



At the moment both roads are under speed restrictions & probably still traffic control after the heavy rain so you will be going very slow in any case.


ps.  The hint about increasing the gain on the trailer breaks controller is a good one  ..

pps.  I always drive with a constant eye on the tackometer.  I try to stick on the same engine revs going up or down & change gears on the way up (never going down if it can be avoided) to maintain the engine revs.  Might be harder with an auto or without a tacko.

-- Edited by Cupie on Tuesday 25th of January 2011 05:18:31 PM

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Just country roads gilly. A bit bumpy in places but not so hilly.
You would turn off at Dalby and go through Kilcoy.

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Gill, be aware that most of the roads you question, and have been responded have been affected by the recent deluge in S E Queensland.

Toowoomba Range is the best for the down hill run. It is shorter (steeper) but straighter than Cunningham's Gap, however you will travel through some of the badly hit areas. One mention was go go down through Murphy's Creek. Avoid that area currently, it was one of the worst hit in the deluge.

Good idea to head north and back towards the coast via Kilcoy. Maybe best bet given current situation in Qld

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That was my thought Dunmown, less damage from the terrible floods up there.
Murphy's Creek is a definite NoNo.

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I would stay away from that area at the moment a lot of road damage from recent flood will take a lot of work to get it back I would stick to the Toowoomba Range , and I like back roads over highways , Kilcoy has had a lot of damage to roads and bridges

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Actually, Brickies is correct, perhaps you might consider coming over to the coast via the New England and travelling up the M1. What ever way you travel, you will have to come over the range at some stage.

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The "normal" way would be via the Newell Highway and the Gore Hwy but you may need to check road conditions in Northern Victoria and around Goondiwindi. It may be an idea to allow extra travelling time to allow for damaged roads and roadworks. Maybe some of the forum regulars from Nthn Vic can bring you up to date.

The Oxley Hwy from Coonabarabran to Tamworth would provide a link to the NE Hwy if you were considering that option as suggested above.

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Not sure what you mean about Northern Victoria jimricho. To be going anywhere near the flooding they would have to be going to Adelaide..

From Melbourne they would go straight up the Hume then across to the Newel in NSW if they intended taking the Newell.

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From Melbourne to get to the Newell you only go up the Hume as far as Seymour, then turn off at the Goulbourn Valley Hwy, crossing the river into NSW at Tocumwal.

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I have never gone from that direction but looking at my map that looks the easiest way Nicholstones.

I can go that way from here, across and through Tocumwal I mean, or straight up to Deni then across.

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We had a couple of weeks in Echuca last year and to get north from there we went as far as Hay before turning west and joining the Newell at West Wyalong. We did that because we wanted to check out the Long Paddock sites on the Cobb Hwy - it was really interesting.



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Gillian , a lot of questions at the moment - flood damage .
With all th road damage around - Vic- Newell , you could go up to Albury,Wagga-Wagga
then hook up to th Newell . But then you have your T-range & Cun gap . Consider -
Hume to Sydney - Pacific to Bris - Ok it is 100k longer more than 3quarter dual lanes .
Plus it will be cooler on the coast - if you were to leave say on Friday - 40s plus on Newell
low 30s on coast . Ok you have tolls to get around Syd - As said before - identical trucks
same loads - he 600 cat , me 600 cummins - I went Hume-Pacific - he went Newell .
I went 98k further - 120litres of fuel Less .
Getting around flooded area damage - ?ks -
As others have said - Going Around here going around there -
the only extra going via Syd is M7 tollway - But that is worth it .
How soon are you leaving Gillian .
Have a Safe trip - whichever way you go .
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Happywanderer wrote:

Not sure what you mean about Northern Victoria jimricho. To be going anywhere near the flooding they would have to be going to Adelaide..

From Melbourne they would go straight up the Hume then across to the Newel in NSW if they intended taking the Newell.



I was mainly thinking of the condition of the roads and possible roadwork delays "post flooding".  As you're "on the spot" you're better placed to keep us up to date.

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Thanks again everyone for your input its much appreciated

Richo I'm not leaving until the last week of March so hopefully the flooding will be gone by then and the roads in a little better condition. I decided to go the Newell as I've never been that way before and have done the coast road a couple of times (without my camper) and I wanted to see something different. I have a 6 month time frame so no hurry and will only do a few hours driving a day. I may even do as Jimricho mentioned and go via Tamworth then down to the coast, maybe that will be an easier option...........can anyone tell me what the roads are like if I go that way?

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My son and family went home from Geelong last week, to Biggenden just inland from Bundy.
They came up here to Echuca, no roads blocked or flooded. (Came through Rochester, road clear) Stayed the night then headed to Denniliquin and up through the Newell.
The only detour they had to make was for a truck accident north of Coonabrabran. They had to detour around through Gunnedah.

Not sure about the Qld leg the next day. never got around to asking him.
This was last Tues/Wednesday.

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Gillyb we have the great dividing range which ever way you go you have cross it somewhere , I have traveled the Newell many times from melbourne to brisbane it is my preferred highway not has busy has the coast road and not to big distance between towns and a nice drive, it lead you into Toowoomba and down the Toowoomba Range into Brisbane once on the Ipswich motorway you can connect to the Logan motorway it is a toll road if you want to bypass Brisbane it will take to the south coast highway or the north coast highway

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Gillian , what Tamworth , Armidale , Grafton . Lismore & Bangalow -
That way you have only one hill of note - as you drop off the range at Clouds Creek to
Nymboida , it is only a couple of minutes but you have several low speed corners .
It is not an verly steep hill . You have the Moonbies to climb 20k nth of Tamworth .
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