While I may or may not agree with these sentiments I do agree with the sentiment that if you don't like it then leave.
Singing the National Anthem in Arabic??? Yeah well why not; you can get a drivers licence using a skilled interpreter who amazingly answers all the questions correctly on your behalf. Now to be strictly correct the National Anthem is sung in German by some Freemasons in SA, remember however that it was a German who composed "Song of Australia".

On the whole Muslims are not a bad bunch, it's their clerics who rule them with a regime of fear and ridicule who are the problem and due to their cultural beliefs the rank and file follow.

I was gobbsmacked when the head Muslim Cretin in Sydney made the remarks about women then went on to explain that ALL WOMEN should be "sewn up" so that their husband can ritually re open them on their marriage night with a "dagger", how sadistic is that? And why don't the women speak up?
I find the whole thing incomprehensible and even further I find it abomnible that the god fearing Christians stand by and say nothing either but have a good old whinge if there is a bare breast on TV...

Lots of FURPHY do the rounds on the email never tell us who made what statement , i would be pleased that anybody would want to sing the National Anthem no matter what language

I agree with you Brickies.As long as the Anthem is sung with respect to Australia.Cheers.Ibbo.

tell ya what Ducky it would be a brave man that came at the dragon with a needle and thread, he would be seeing allah and getting his virgins pretty damn early I can guarantee that,

shes not a big girl but by hell she's a monster inside when her danders up, I know what would be sewn up and it would involve a needle a doodle and a top lip and a lot of screaming

pretty much the same as any aussie girl we instill them with self awareness and respect for themselves and not to be downtrodden, we instill our kids (boys and girls) with self pride and understanding of others and then along come these fools and their outlandish backward thirdworld ways and expect us to fall in line with their beliefs

mate I am and always will be an aussie, I'm not muslim, not particularly catholic or protestent, I do believe in a greater power and I often feel it behind the ear when I go astray

I believe that coming to our fantastic land is a privilige that quite simply some do not deserve, I believe when stepping foot on our great southern land all non australian conforming beliefs should be left at the door

I believe that a test should be passed whereupon a "normal" person asks the questions

sample
(1a) critical question, do you speak english.......immediate denial if answer is no!

(1) do you like beer/wine and chops and acting obnoxiously at barbyq's........immediate disqualification if answer is no

(2) do you hit, demean, belittle or abuse woman, girls or little boys, are you likely to in the future......death penalty if answer is yes to any, no going back from that one

(3) are you willing to forgo all the bad points of your religion, bad points as determined by normal everyday australian woman and not the goody two shoes brigade

(4) do you promise not to slit our throats as we sleep, we are not fond of that!

(5) do you promise not to blow up any of our buildings, especially our pubs, we may grant a point of clarification if it happens to be a parliament house

(6) do you promise to integrate into our society and not group into one sector

(7) do you promise to actually get a real job and not rob us blind through social security benefits

(8) will you promise to be an active valuable member of our community and not a drain on our health or welfare system

(9) do you promise to leave your burker at the gate and become an everyday dinky di aussie sheila and not take any crap from your husband/boyfriend or family

(10) do you promise to limit your child bearing capabilities to two and not 500

just a sample of what I would be asking, not taking into account some of the harder ones

I have just reread my post and thought it may come across as racist, I would just like to add that I would be proud to stand next to a person of either sex from any other country and sing our anthem (if I knew the words) in any language

I know it's got "girt" by sea, who the hell is "girt" anyway and why is she always by the sea

at our table almost any night our guest list contains at least two muslims and many varied and differing religions, we love them to death as with all our other "foreigners"

the affection for us and our country is returned tenfold, they feel extremly priviliged and blessed to live in the land down under and not only follow the aforementioned rules but embrace them with pride

anyway that's the thought of the day from unca Dave, better get back to work now or I may have to emigrate and assimilate to another belief,

hawaii would be hard, all those grass skirts, wheres my whipper snipper heh! heh! heh!


-- Edited by dave06 on Thursday 8th of October 2009 10:42:45 AM

brickies wrote:

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Lots of FURPHY do the rounds on the email never tell us who made what statement , i would be pleased that anybody would want to sing the National Anthem no matter what language

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Lots and lots of FURPHIES - bit like the media, when they're bored....

 

HEAR!!!!!HEAR!!!!!!HEAR!!!!!!. Proud to be Australian and all it stands for and all it's standards.

My concern on this topic is birth rates. Where will we stand in say 50years time?

I think a lot of people should take to the road and enjoy whats out there instead of worrying about all the badies, they might find some nice thing to talk about and meet the nice people that let us all come here to share this country with in the first place we all came from some where to make this our home , remember when we didnt want those poms coming here then it move onto Itis then the asian , but DR chan was all right he save a lot of lives

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lot of big words in there rolly, must have been a real weight off your chest getting rid of that lot, but basically what you are saying is all in the defense of democracy, funny that, by stymying our freedom of speech and defending the right of the imigrant isnt that murdering the very nature of what democracy is all about, the basic right of freedom of thought and speech!!

would you have your wife/girlfriend/daughter submit to the very intolerances to humanity that the muslim faith would have them adhere to, if alah and islam is so damn good and should be upheld everywhere that islam is to pervade then why the hell do they break their necks to escape it

we are not against the imigrant peoples of this land or differing faiths we are merely trying to uphold that which we hold dear, FREEDOM, the freedom to make choices as to whether she wants her face shown or covered up, the freedom of religion, the freedom from persecution and all the rights that we all enjoy living here,

we endear our women with love, affection and great esteem, I for one will not allow anyone to belittle my wife or daughter in any way shape or form, the very faith of a lot of these peoples religions place the wife and daughter behind the standing of a goat, would you have that here

to be allowed to live in a fantastic country like australia is a privilige that not all deserve, all we ask is that when choosing a free country like australia that all the restrictions of the old country be left behind, leave the bull**** at the gate, respect our beleifs just a little

goody two shoes attitudes like yours are what allow genecides and holocausts to take place, we dont want it here, leave it behind when a new life is chosen is all we ask, imigrate to australia and embrace it's culture and attitudes

call that prejudism well I'm bloody prejudice and proud of it, if you want genuine multiculturism come and have a meal with me anytime, see what my country is capable of when the dream is truly embraced, mine is a table of many colors and nationalities

regardless of what took place to acheive that which we enjoy now is all in the past and cannot be corrected, that which we enjoy now can and must be protected I feel at any cost even war or prejudism,

if you go to a muslim nation with the attitude that you show here, I would be interested to see how far you get, merely placing your thoughts to writing will get you stoned

to answer the original question, I would be proud to stand alongside any man or woman and sing the anthem in any language that is chosen provided they sing the anthem and honour our flag and peoples, that includes our girls

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Dave, you have chosen to misunderstand and misrepresent what I have written.

Please read it again before adding any further comment.

I have made no mention of restricting freedom of speech.

You have made several incorrect statements with reference to Islam and its requirements of its adherents based, presumably, on mass media reports which are sketchy at best and intentionally and selectively sensationalist at worst.

However, I must add that I do not support Islam any more than I support any other religion.

I am continually horrified by the evil that people do in the name of religion.

I am a convinced agnostic. (That does not mean atheist.)

As you so often do, you have gone off half-c_cked because of your well justified anger at the evil that is perpetrated in this world by those who would foist their warped dogmas onto everyone.

But it is just this kind of poorly considered and reactionary response that I rail against.

".....we endear our women with love, affection and great esteem,..."

You'd get lynched for uttering that bold statement at the womens' refuge that I support.

In fact, I remember you having such an issue in your own family.

Please don't accredit all Australians with the kindness, good will and generosity of spirit that you so obviously espouse: There's a lot of mean and nasty bar-stewards out there who have just as much right to call themselves Aussies as you or I.

I know and appreciate where you are coming from, but, in my opinion (for what little it's worth) it is an unsound and mythical platform on which to criticise others.

Off the guts of the topic, you sling the "big words" bit around like some kind of inverted snobbery.

Just what is wrong with using words and expressions that convey precise meaning in the written form, as opposed to using vague and ambiguous everyday language that often depends on tone, facial expressions, body language and immediate context to get it's meaning across.

You have many skills of your own. Please don't belittle my ability to write well.

I've worked damnably hard at it for a very long time; starting from a very low base.

Enough said.

I wrote what I wrote with conviction.

If that makes me a pariah, so be it.

 

 

 

 

forgive me if I am wrong but in your own writings you write "death of democracy" and then go on to belittle the democratic rights of others and their freedom to speak their own mind

i am an extreme fan of womens rights and am very active in womens shelters as well as support of a different more direct kind mostly hands on every night

I often give support love and understanding to a lot of women and have yet to be berated for it, in fact I am singled out for many "hugs" just to know they are still apreciated and enjoyed as a person, I have many letters from mums saying "thanks for saving me and my daughters life" I have many accolades from various institutions and all sorts of academic rubbish on my wall, none of which I value as high as actually speaking to the person on the end of a fist

if you knew anything about the break up of relationships and abuse within relationships it is the confidence of the female that is broken down first the then the self esteem, this is exactly what islam sets out to do from day one and it is this that I abhore

if I am wrong in this I ask the ladies of the forum who have witnessed abuse to correct me

you say in the name of religion but it is islam that will actually recruit suicide bombers to cleanse the heathens and it is the actual religion itself that denotes all other religions it is this I am against, i have devout muslims at my table who do not like all of the teachings and will not follow all of the teachings

if you take my words as angry then you are mistaken, I talk of many things and very rarely get angry, I use a lot of words where perhaps a couple would do, i actualy was not attacking your "large" words just trying to get a grasp of them and making light of them, i myself am a man of small easily understood words, a beer and chop man if you will

I am fully aware that not all nasty persons are coming from overseas but as I see it we have no need to import more we have enough of our own, we deal with our own as we see fit but the imports of others should be stopped before they become "our own"

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forgive me if I am wrong but in your own writings you write "death of democracy" and then go on to belittle the democratic rights of others and their freedom to speak their own mind

 

Quote me please, Dave, so that I might see it.

"Patriotism and jingoism are the death of democracy and free speech"

Ma we are simply having a discussion here, I for one am not upset and I feel you should not be either, if you are feeling upset thenI will apoligise and I will leave it at this and say no more!!!

-- Edited by dave06 on Friday 9th of October 2009 05:46:00 PM

So much to agree on there, John.

Remember, though, that we, as the voters, must carry the ultimate responsibility for the actions of our governments.

I agree with you that we should be make a whole lot of noise about these issues, making abundantly clear to the powers-that-be those things that we do or do not approve of.

I see much of the problem of our democracy as a failure of the ordinary person to make an effort to take an active part the decision making that affects us all.

After all, the state of our favorite footy team is far more important than the state of our legislature, isn't it?!?

You rightly say that you are not xenophobic, but there is a large and vocal portion of the community that takes for fact the heavily edited and selectively reported material presented by the mass media - A media that is heavily influenced by commercial interests and political expediency, and panders to the lowest common denominator in our society with selective, sensationalistic and voyeuristic reporting.

I can't totally agree with you over the nativity scenes and Xmas carols in schools for, although I was brought up in the Christian tradition, I see no place for the promotion nor encouragement of any religion in secular education.

I consider the teaching of religions of all kinds to children to be inappropriate and akin to mind control. Child abuse, even.

Until religions present reasoned evidence for their creeds and dogmas, I will remain antagonistic toward them all.

As someone who has, at various times, read deeply into the history and teachings of many religions, I remain completely sceptical of them all; to the point that I will no longer enter into debate with any of the convinced faithful on the topic.

Apologies to all the others whose interests in this forum centre more appropriately around the topic of RV travel for the aging (not me - I'm aged already), but I do get all wound up by bigotry and jingoism.
I should really not have raised such a contentious issue.

I am an vociferous advocate for justice, honesty and a fair go for all.

Those are qualities that seem to be all too rare in this avaricious, self serving, egocentric, and religiously, commercially and politically manipulative society of ours.

Oh! Yes! There are far worse societies than ours in the world, but should we judge ourselves by their standards?







-- Edited by Rolly on Friday 9th of October 2009 06:19:38 PM

G'day Rolly,

I was educated in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) and in high school we had RI (Religious Instruction).  One day a week the various clergy would come to the school and each denomination would take a 40 minute class.  We were not subjected to religious dogma but rather were told stories from the bible and then left to make up our own minds as to their veracity.

Those students who's religious beliefs were  not catered for went to the school library and started their homework.

This very basic grounding in Christian values has followed me all my life and whilst I am definitely not a God botherer, nor am I particularly religious I believe these early teachings have guided me through life and influenced my behaviour and attitude toward others and I hope has made me a better and more tolerant person.  Whilst I cannot claim it as my motto I do believe in the old saying "If you cannot do someone a good turn then do not do him/her a bad one"  Having said all that I do not believe we should allow minority groups to come into our country and attempt to change our way of life.

John