In this great country we seem to have too many laws. Some claim we are the most regulated country on earth.
But in most cases laws are introduced due to a need created by the people that create the need.
I was a dog ranger with 3 councils in the 1980's. What I found was a total disregard for the dog act in Victoria (all states are similar). Like- restraining your dog (on a lead), confining your dog (appropriate fence) and noise. I've stood next to owners only metres from their barking dog and they dont hear it!.
We have a pampered mini foxy. Yep a yapper. But she it always on a lead and kept as quiet as possible (Harry's practice is an exception). But nearly every showgrounds or free park we find dogs roaming without leads. Owner yells out "he's harmless" and guess what? Our dog is attacked. So we lift her up and demand they put a lead on their dog. But of course it's all our fault. Its sad to say, I carry an umbrella now as I dont believe our treasured pet should be ripped apart. I've seen the results. Your thoughts?
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Totally agree with you Eaglemax. There is no excuse for allowing your dog to roam around without a lead. Must have human attached who is strong enough to restrain said dog as well. Children cannot restrain a dog. (unless it is a small yapper like mine.) Had experience recently where BIL's dog was killed by children walking two pit bulls that got away from them. Horrifying.
Problem we have in our shire is that rangers tend to chat people first without charge, usually leaving a troublesome dog to do real damage later. We had a neighbour, a single woman with a nasty cur she often let run free. It threatened my missus once, until I threatened it back. Reporting the incident just got her a warning from the soft-hearted female ranger. The owner just turned on the water works and pleaded ignorant. Gimme strength!! The dog still got to run free. Thankfully she moved away before an attack on a kid or small dog took place near us. But the problem probably just moved house.
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-- Edited by JocknNik on Monday 26th of June 2017 01:21:11 AM
I was pleased to see a Council sign in Victoria on TV which stated "dogs must be under effective control". This is the correct approach. Our small dog is never on a leash except in caravan parks when forced to use them. She immediately responds to command to return to heel, unlike most kids. ð
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We hate those little white fluffy ones that rule the roost with their owners. The owners can't put them on a lead because they have a hissy fit, so they wander around p*ssing & sh*tting where they like. Dogs on leads should have no exceptions.
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Agree totally. The problem is everywhere: where you live, where you camp, where you walk. BUT the problem has nothing to do with the breed, it's the idiot owners. As ever, HUMANS are the problem, not animals. Unfortunately, laws and sign posts won't stop ignorant human behaviour.
The "little white fluffy ones" are no more a problem than unrestrained and untrained large (and often savage) dogs.
As for dogs messing where they like, well of course they will - if their idiot owners let them!!
In my area the nature strips are littered with small mountains of LARGE DOG droppings every morning, thanks to owners who walked their mutts in the dark the previous night. That element can't be bothered picking up after the dog, instead preferring to sneak around under cover of darkness to avoid being seen.
TRAIN them
RESTRAIN them
PICK UP after them!!
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Hi eaglemax, totally agree. Love animals but rules r there for a reason. Was walking to my caravan with a hamburger. Along came a young great dane who wanted the hamburger. just about bowled me over. owner heard the commotion n called it. I replied back in a not very nice way.
As we can see posters agree.
JocknNik, the attitude of the go soft ranger is such because of a councils guidelines not the rangers wishes in most cases. See when a resident gets fined they 95% make a complaint councils and town clerks hate complaints, more work, bad publicity in local rags. In the end councillors overturn the fine recommending a warning instead. And possible councillors let their dogs roam free also.
Hence rangers dont get back up. If rangers and bylaws were under police banner? Might be different
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"Effective control" is indeed the sensible approach. Trouble is, thats open to interpretation. Laws dont work that way.
Eg. My mini fox is also under control without a lead. She, however gets annoyed with scateboarders. If she caused a child to fall off?? Not effective control. Some might think all this is overboard but as pointed out, it all has potentially serious and tragic results. Besides its owners obligations. No excuses.
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Totally agree with you Eaglemax. All dogs no matter what size should be on a lead in public places. Our tiny Jack Russell cross is always on a lead when out walking plus we carry our own poo bags to pick up his poo.
I've had big aggressive dogs and little fifi types try to take him apart. Most owners don't give a damn. A prod with a stick I carry is usually enough but I had to whack a big dog on the head once to get him away despite calling the owner to take control of his dog. Our baby required a few stitches and the owner was lucky my wife restrained me from braining him as well. He threatened to take action against me and I said please do as we've captured everything on the phone and was going to report him which we did. Never heard from him again but my neighbour tells me that he's been seen walking his dog at a different time and the dog is on a lead. Lesson learnt the hard way.
Train the OWNERS. Train the dogs Control the dogs. Cleanup after your dog.
I can't stand Yapping "drop Kicks" myself. never could. Normally just step back onto it when they come near my ankles. When they come near my cats. I just let them sort it out.
For the people that walk their dogs. D.Kicks or otherwise. if you have problems with others. Human or 4 legged. Go to a feed store and buy a long shaft Cattle Prod.
Even the Rottie's bounce back off that.
and if owners give problem. Welll. Sorry ossofer. I slipped and he walked into it.
They Farkin hurt but do NO damage.
You don't go back for seconds believe me.
Prod sat t'ween front seats. Anybody pull open doors or stick head\arm inside. ZZZZap. See Ya.
Every woman in city's in off hrs should carry one. along with the Wasp sprays.
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The little yapping dogs only yap because their owners allow it. Easy to control if necessary. I always travel with my dog however I am fed up with other campers dogs roaming and not on a leash. I do not allow my dog to roam around a campsite freely. A very effective deferent around the camp is a sign attached to your camp which says. DOG BAITS LAID AROUND THIS CAMP. Gets intstant attention. In the past I have had my dog attacked while on a lead. NO MORE!
Why all the poison regarding small dogs? Bad behaviour is not size specific. Untrained and/or unmonitored large dogs are just as prone to barking and dumping unsupervised... plus probably more likely to cause physical confrontation. I always get a laugh out of the people with their dog "on a leash"... with no one holding it. The other good one is an unsupervised dog on an extremely long leash, which allows the dog to dump wherever or charge at you out of nowhere. That's just mock abiding the rules.
Irrespective of what's posted here, we'll keep on as we are. If you have the power, fine me.
Reckon people with dogs should walk there dog around their own campsite/house first and let it do ALL it's dumping and pi###ing there then take it for a walk, that way other people don't have to put up with skid marks and puddles in their campsite or on car wheels.
Train the OWNERS. Train the dogs Control the dogs. Cleanup after your dog.
I can't stand Yapping "drop Kicks" myself. never could. Normally just step back onto it when they come near my ankles. When they come near my cats. I just let them sort it out.
For the people that walk their dogs. D.Kicks or otherwise. if you have problems with others. Human or 4 legged. Go to a feed store and buy a long shaft Cattle Prod.
Even the Rottie's bounce back off that.
and if owners give problem. Welll. Sorry ossofer. I slipped and he walked into it.
They Farkin hurt but do NO damage.
You don't go back for seconds believe me.
Prod sat t'ween front seats. Anybody pull open doors or stick head\arm inside. ZZZZap. See Ya.
Every woman in city's in off hrs should carry one. along with the Wasp sprays.
-- Edited by macka17 on Monday 26th of June 2017 11:50:27 AM
Perhaps I over simplified assuming folks would know what dog training means. Anyone who's been to DOG training sessions knows they are actually about OWNER behavioural and command training.
When the human understands their own required behaviours, along with effective commands for the dog and how to apply them, only then can they hope to train the dog.
Dogs learn by repetition over a period of time, they don't learn everything at the dog training events themselves.
Trouble is, most people don't invest in dog training, they either can't be bothered or assume the dog comes with a built-in behaviour handbook - then wonder why the dog misbehaves!! Typical humans.
As for choosing to condemn certain breeds, well it's time to get off the grass. Any breed, small, large, white or sky-blue-pink, can be a problem in the wrong hands. Every dog (like every kid) has great potential if managed effectively.
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The dog still got to run free. Thankfully she moved away before an attack on a kid or small dog took place near us. But the problem probably just moved house.
