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I am currently driving what is called a C Train. Prime mover with a b-double towing a third or C trailer. I collect harvested grain from the farmers property (properties) and take it to a grain handling facility about 40 kms away. I drive about 5 kms on the farmers tracks, about 30 to 40 kms on a graded dirt road and 3 kms on the South Coast Highway. A round trip of between 70 and 90 kms. On each leg, from weigh bridge to weigh bridge I have been using between 50kgs and 80kgs of fuel. As diesel weighs 85kgs per 100 litres, I figure that I am getting between .8 (800 metres) and 1 km per litre of diesel.

When you consider that each load, legally loaded I weigh in at 102.50 tonne and I am around 39.50 tonne empty, I carry 63 tonne of product from the farm to the Grain Handling Facility.

Some boffin with a penchant for mathematics will/should be able to work out if this is economical or not.

Consider your own tug. Let us say that you can get 10km per litre empty and this may reduce to 7.5 per litre towing your rig. Find out the legal maximum towing weight. Let us say it is 3 tonne. At 3 tonne per load you would need to do 21 loads ( 3 into 63) to carry the same amount of product. Each trip takes about 2 hours, loading travelling, waiting, waiting, waiting, unloading, return. To do 21 return trips would take 42 hours, they are only open 11 hours a day. Every 21 trips would be about 1470 kms using your fuel at 7.5 kms per litre, you would need 196 litres to deliver 63 tonne and you would need all week to do it. Remember, the facility is open 7am to 6pm, weather permitting. 

At this stage I am doing 5 trips a day, 6 on a good day, averaging 63 tonne per trip, 315 tonne delivered every day. We are just over half way through the harvest and have been going for 29 days so far.

Lot of grain.

Consider!!!!!



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Hey bunkerbob check out this for a read..

http://www.airflowtruck.com/

 

I found this, if I had the Money I would go for a bus reshaped like this..

 

Juergen



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Bob, sorry maybe I need a smack in the head as Juergen suggests but I can's see the point you're trying to make.

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I think Bob is talking about economy of scale. I found it quite interesting.

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Very interesting - then the grain goes by rail/truck to a port, then a ship to god knows where. I wonder what just one grain of wheat consumes in energy from harvest to flour.

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When you are sitting there waiting, waiting, waiting, you do mental arithmetic Bob? Geez those are big numbers, good to hear its been such a good crop.

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I have a headache now hmmbiggrin



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SnowT wrote:

Hey bunkerbob check out this for a read..

http://www.airflowtruck.com/

 

I found this, if I had the Money I would go for a bus reshaped like this..

 

Juergen


 Under Australian legal length laws you would take a massive hit on trailer length (read payload) with that rig.

Good to see someone thinking outside the box though.

This is the reason, well, one reason I like & bought a Triton.  Mitzy are the ONLY manufacturer to try to make a dual cab ute that doesn't look like a shoebox.

 



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MY23.5 Ford Wildtrak V6 Dual Cab / 21' Silverline 21-65.3

' 1260w Solar: 400ah Lithium Battery: 2000w Projecta IP2000 Inverter

Diesel Heater: SOG Toilet Kit: 2.5kw Fujitsu Split System A/c

 

 



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Bunkerbob wrote:

I am currently driving what is called a C Train. Prime mover with a b-double towing a third or C trailer. I collect harvested grain from the farmers property (properties) and take it to a grain handling facility about 40 kms away. I drive about 5 kms on the farmers tracks, about 30 to 40 kms on a graded dirt road and 3 kms on the South Coast Highway. A round trip of between 70 and 90 kms. On each leg, from weigh bridge to weigh bridge I have been using between 50kgs and 80kgs of fuel. As diesel weighs 85kgs per 100 litres, I figure that I am getting between .8 (800 metres) and 1 km per litre of diesel.

When you consider that each load, legally loaded I weigh in at 102.50 tonne and I am around 39.50 tonne empty, I carry 63 tonne of product from the farm to the Grain Handling Facility.

 

At this stage I am doing 5 trips a day, 6 on a good day, averaging 63 tonne per trip, 315 tonne delivered every day. We are just over half way through the harvest and have been going for 29 days so far.

 


 Hey there Bunker Bob, which Grain Handling Facility are you using.  We are finally positioned at the West River Bin, Mr D on the Grid since 12th Nov and I start on Weighbridge tomorrow...



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The truck fits into the legal length of 36.5 metres by 20cm so under length. With the combination of 1 steer axle, bogie drive prime mover and then tri-axles on the A trailer, B Trailer, Dolly and the C trailer all of which are allowed 20 gross. I can be 102.5 tonne legally and there is a mass management allowance of 10% or 10 tonne (the lower amount allowed) so I can be up to 112.5 tonne but we do get frowned on for this weight. Some trucks are twin steer, some tri drive. Amazing rigs and I wonder how Victoria do the harvest with B-doubles only. My prime CBH site is Munglinup but we also use Cascades and the Chadwick and Brazier Street sites in Esperance.

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Oh dear, I wont have the pleasure of weighing you in here at West River.  Did my training at Brazier Street, and were living up the road/round the corner from Chadwick depot, while we waited for our placement.



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Hey bob..

From what I have heard.. There is talk of allowing triple's on the roads in some area's.. They will be able to come into certain area's where they can unload a trailer..

I found a piece of info.. for single Trailer only a length of 14.6m long..
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/A6DF5E60-EF53-4153-8443-3E1DF211BF77/0/brch0037.pdf

 

 

So I think you could make your Aero Truck if you ever decided to..

I want to see the shape of an Aero Bus..

I really think if I had the money I would make an Aero Bus just to see how well it traveled..

There is a whole group of people that AreoMod car's and ute's[SUV's] to get better fuel economy..

http://ecomodder.com/forum/

the above is that group of people..

 

Juergen

 



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Kalari have been trialling B triples in Sth West Vic for a couple of years but as soon as they say the trial may be extended or they can trial them on the Hume, Shock Jocks like Neil Mitchell from 3AW put the fear of God unto the people calling them "Monster Trucks". More freight per truck = less trucks. There is the other problem of qualified persons to drive them.

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Neil Mitchell doesnt like motor bikes either,

But what does a microphone molester know about trucks or motor cycles, Nothing,

But it does sell air time, Hahahahaha

Fear mongering works every time, And Mitchell plays on it,

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