I read that the Labour government in UK are going to introduce these cards. Just another tracking device? The general public over there are up in arms, over 3 million objections to date.
Sadly I fear that there isn't a lot of privacy left anywhere these days . Maybe George Orwell got it right all those years ago???
Izabarack said
01:10 PM Oct 1, 2025
Tracking, in Aust, is already going on in real time. Facial recognition in places like Bunnings, CBD crime prevention monitoring, credit card use (cross confirmed with Facial Recognition), traffic monitoring cameras, and phone records are being used to establish where persons of interest are and were. Cameras worn by Counter Terrorism officers in the crowds are all of the recent public rallies have been a great starting point for the Authorities to start files on lots of people. One bit of common AI Tech that is used is a reverse engineering technique of the Nav Apps many use to generate a route showing the track so one took from, for example, home to the rally in the Melbourne CBD. Just like the nav apps, a couple of assumed waypoints added to collected data can suggest missing parts of known location visits.
So, neighbours who reported suspicious behaviour at one house in the neighbourhood was asked to suppled Home Video of vehicles passing her house. A whole catalogue of drug suppliers, drug sellers, and customers was established soon after. Great entrainment to watch multiple armed officers, dog squad, and PolAir descend on the neighbours street.
So back to the ID question, thats for you, not those who want to track you.
Magnarc said
01:16 PM Oct 1, 2025
Izabarack wrote:
Tracking, in Aust, is already going on in real time. Facial recognition in places like Bunnings, CBD crime prevention monitoring, credit card use (cross confirmed with Facial Recognition), traffic monitoring cameras, and phone records are being used to establish where persons of interest are and were. Cameras worn by Counter Terrorism officers in the crowds are all of the recent public rallies have been a great starting point for the Authorities to start files on lots of people. One bit of common AI Tech that is used is a reverse engineering technique of the Nav Apps many use to generate a route showing the track so one took from, for example, home to the rally in the Melbourne CBD. Just like the nav apps, a couple of assumed waypoints added to collected data can suggest missing parts of known location visits. it is not recorded So, neighbours who reported suspicious behaviour at one house in the neighbourhood was asked to suppled Home Video of vehicles passing her house. A whole catalogue of drug suppliers, drug sellers, and customers was established soon after. Great entrainment to watch multiple armed officers, dog squad, and PolAir descend on the neighbours street.
So back to the ID question, thats for you, not those who want to track you.
So Iza, are you saying that whenever is card is presented it is not recorded somewhere?. I am referring to officialdom not baddies.
Ineedabiggerboat said
02:04 PM Oct 1, 2025
Im all for ID cards.
There is way too much crime and fraud committed and we are the ones paying for it.
Theres no such thing as privacy in this digital world. Get used to it.
smwhiskey said
02:28 PM Oct 1, 2025
Izabarack wrote:
Tracking, in Aust, is already going on in real time. Facial recognition in places like Bunnings, ....
Bunnings (Kmart and a few others) facial recognition was deemed illegal and no longer do it. Although they are currently trying to get the Privacy laws changed so they can reintroduce it.
But right now, I'd be more concerned about the implications of potentially having to prove that you're over 18 to access a website. Not surprisingly, the government hasn't come out with a lot of directives for the companies on how (or how not ) to satisfactorily achieve that but they have come out with some very specific and expensive fines if they don't.
Izabarack said
03:15 PM Oct 1, 2025
smwhiskey wrote:
Bunnings (Kmart and a few others) facial recognition was deemed illegal and no longer do it. Although they are currently trying to get the Privacy laws changed so they can reintroduce it.
The Commissiones determination (Released Sep 2025) apparently found that it is the collection of Biometric data that is likely to be a breach of Privacy laws. Bunnings, and others, are seeking clarification of the lines in regards to using FRT matching for reducing Fraud and advertising companies are seeking clarification on when they can buy collected Biometric data. Bunnings, and others like K Mart, have paused collection and cataloguing of Biometric data of individuals who enter their stores. Several sporting stadiums in Australia are continuing to collect Biometric data.
One clarification that is being asked for is the difference between existing security camera installations and product and the collection of Biometric data and cataloguing of that data. BTW, passport and drivers license photos are stored as FRT compatible data sets.
Another one, Police are using FRT like matching techniques over stored business security camera video, with a warrant, to check the alibi supplied by people they suspect were naughty at a particular time.
Plain Truth said
08:52 PM Oct 1, 2025
Magnarc wrote:
I read that the Labour government in UK are going to introduce these cards. Just another tracking device? The general public over there are up in arms, over 3 million objections to date.
Sadly I fear that there isn't a lot of privacy left anywhere these days . Maybe George Orwell got it right all those years ago???
It is coming here too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPyUOY0eDI
Rodsvan said
04:43 AM Oct 2, 2025
It's not an identity card - not a physical one anyway (those are called a drivers licence). It's a digital ID which is an app on mobile phones and it's intent seems to be to curb illegal workers. If anyone in the UK is particularly paranoid they could get a second phone for the app and only use that phone when applying fo a job.
Australia already has a digital ID app although it's not mandatory and it's for different purposes.
I have serious doubts as to whether governments have the resources or the desire to track where each person goes, although there is a limited capacity to do this already simply by using a mobile phone number. Of course every time you use a credit card, make a phone call, drive on a toll road etc, you are leaving a digital trail. If you're not intending to break the law, I suspect the only organisations which are really interested in tracking you are going to be for the purposes of marketing /advertising.
I think the main concern would be data breaches by hackers. There are a vast number of private organisations (think banks, medical providers, insurance companies etc) which use digital records, and data breaches are not uncommon. Government databases are generally more secure than most others.
DMaxer said
05:56 AM Oct 2, 2025
I agree entirely Rodsvan.
dorian said
04:50 PM Oct 2, 2025
What if you're someone like me who refuses to use a smartphone? How will the requirement for a digital ID affect me?
Whenarewethere said
05:11 PM Oct 2, 2025
Some in our block of Units who use a non "smartphone" because they find them easier. Plus a few others I know.
I pretty much do everything on an old phone other than calls due to 3g shutdown as it doesn't work for calls. It's hotspot off the other phone.
msg said
12:34 AM Oct 3, 2025
Its not so much what information they have (they have it already anyway) but how they will be able to access and use and manipulate that information.
Rodsvan said
03:57 AM Oct 3, 2025
I did read that there's some alternative in place for those people who don't use a smart phone. You don't need to worry about it unless you live and work in the UK.
dogbox said
07:54 AM Oct 3, 2025
what do you have to keep SECRET
click or search any subject on the internet an take note of how many adds you get related to that subject
Gundog said
12:48 PM Oct 9, 2025
A non smartphone is still trackable..........your dumb phone is pinging mobile towers while it switched on, the only way to prevent your location being tracked is turn it off.
We have an app on our phones that shows our location in real time, our children can see where we are, likewise we can see where they are. The app also has an emergency alert facility. which we can alert our kids if we need help.
As for an ID card which has all an individuals data stored in a single location, would be a target for hackers world wide, would you trust a government to protect your data.
I would give you an example of protecting your data, I had cause to deal with a bank over a NOK identy proof, on being sent documents from a primary NOK to fill out and deposit them with a branch along with signatures etc. on attending the bank they wanted copies of licence, pension card, Medicare Card and a bank statement. I refused to allow them to copy my documents, they could look at them but not write down the details as they are private documents that are not to entered on the banks database. Long story cut short after a phone call with head office they relented and agreed that my privacy over rules the banks policies.
msg said
02:16 PM Oct 9, 2025
The immediate issue is the banning of under 16yrs olds from X, Facebook, Utube, and Tic Toc. I don't care if I am banned. I have lived more years without it than with it.
Ineedabiggerboat said
06:08 PM Oct 9, 2025
What am I missing?
You dont want to show data. What data?
Where is the original source? Is that source not data?
msg said
08:04 PM Oct 9, 2025
Ineedabiggerboat wrote:
What am I missing? You dont want to show data. What data? Where is the original source? Is that source not data?
I think from your comments you should read up a bit on what the Digital ID is all about. I do think that "Identity cards" is not quite a correct description. (Unless I have missed something)
Magnarc said
07:18 AM Oct 10, 2025
The article that I read in a UK paper definately said Identity Cards. If this is the case then, if they contained a chip tracking would be easy, not to mention hackers who love them.
Dougwe said
04:31 PM Oct 16, 2025
My drivers license is my identity card.
msg said
04:59 PM Oct 17, 2025
With a digital ID, all the hackers would have to do is one hack and obtain a nice little (or big) data set about a person. Everything in one go.
As it now stands bits of information are scattered all over the internet and would require many more difficult hacks where they would never be sure if they got it all and into the bargain have to do a matchy matchy exercise to match it all up under one person and even then they would not be sure that the data they have matched is for the same Joe Smith or some other Joe Smith.
We won't even discuss what the government would/could do with a whole heap of information all neatly tied up with a bow on it. I have noticed that if you are a pensioner the account at the bank is s special notated account (you don't see it) They changed the accounts some time ago if you didn't opt out. (I have wondered if opting out made any difference as you can't see it on your account details. This means they have a way of grouping pensioners and their financial info. It was instituted under the guise of ensuring that the banks and other institutions deal fairly with pensioners and prevent scams. Have a little think about what else they might do with it.
The whole subject could be or might be very scary.. or not. Could/Would. Of late I personally opt for would (do anything)
I read that the Labour government in UK are going to introduce these cards. Just another tracking device? The general public over there are up in arms, over 3 million objections to date.
Sadly I fear that there isn't a lot of privacy left anywhere these days . Maybe George Orwell got it right all those years ago???
So, neighbours who reported suspicious behaviour at one house in the neighbourhood was asked to suppled Home Video of vehicles passing her house. A whole catalogue of drug suppliers, drug sellers, and customers was established soon after. Great entrainment to watch multiple armed officers, dog squad, and PolAir descend on the neighbours street.
So back to the ID question, thats for you, not those who want to track you.
So Iza, are you saying that whenever is card is presented it is not recorded somewhere?. I am referring to officialdom not baddies.
Bunnings (Kmart and a few others) facial recognition was deemed illegal and no longer do it. Although they are currently trying to get the Privacy laws changed so they can reintroduce it.
But right now, I'd be more concerned about the implications of potentially having to prove that you're over 18 to access a website. Not surprisingly, the government hasn't come out with a lot of directives for the companies on how (or how not ) to satisfactorily achieve that but they have come out with some very specific and expensive fines if they don't.
The Commissiones determination (Released Sep 2025) apparently found that it is the collection of Biometric data that is likely to be a breach of Privacy laws. Bunnings, and others, are seeking clarification of the lines in regards to using FRT matching for reducing Fraud and advertising companies are seeking clarification on when they can buy collected Biometric data. Bunnings, and others like K Mart, have paused collection and cataloguing of Biometric data of individuals who enter their stores. Several sporting stadiums in Australia are continuing to collect Biometric data.
One clarification that is being asked for is the difference between existing security camera installations and product and the collection of Biometric data and cataloguing of that data. BTW, passport and drivers license photos are stored as FRT compatible data sets.
Another one, Police are using FRT like matching techniques over stored business security camera video, with a warrant, to check the alibi supplied by people they suspect were naughty at a particular time.
It is coming here too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPyUOY0eDI
Australia already has a digital ID app although it's not mandatory and it's for different purposes.
I have serious doubts as to whether governments have the resources or the desire to track where each person goes, although there is a limited capacity to do this already simply by using a mobile phone number. Of course every time you use a credit card, make a phone call, drive on a toll road etc, you are leaving a digital trail. If you're not intending to break the law, I suspect the only organisations which are really interested in tracking you are going to be for the purposes of marketing /advertising.
I think the main concern would be data breaches by hackers. There are a vast number of private organisations (think banks, medical providers, insurance companies etc) which use digital records, and data breaches are not uncommon. Government databases are generally more secure than most others.
Some in our block of Units who use a non "smartphone" because they find them easier. Plus a few others I know.
I pretty much do everything on an old phone other than calls due to 3g shutdown as it doesn't work for calls. It's hotspot off the other phone.
click or search any subject on the internet an take note of how many adds you get related to that subject
A non smartphone is still trackable..........your dumb phone is pinging mobile towers while it switched on, the only way to prevent your location being tracked is turn it off.
We have an app on our phones that shows our location in real time, our children can see where we are, likewise we can see where they are. The app also has an emergency alert facility. which we can alert our kids if we need help.
As for an ID card which has all an individuals data stored in a single location, would be a target for hackers world wide, would you trust a government to protect your data.
I would give you an example of protecting your data, I had cause to deal with a bank over a NOK identy proof, on being sent documents from a primary NOK to fill out and deposit them with a branch along with signatures etc. on attending the bank they wanted copies of licence, pension card, Medicare Card and a bank statement. I refused to allow them to copy my documents, they could look at them but not write down the details as they are private documents that are not to entered on the banks database. Long story cut short after a phone call with head office they relented and agreed that my privacy over rules the banks policies.
I think from your comments you should read up a bit on what the Digital ID is all about. I do think that "Identity cards" is not quite a correct description. (Unless I have missed something)
As it now stands bits of information are scattered all over the internet and would require many more difficult hacks where they would never be sure if they got it all and into the bargain have to do a matchy matchy exercise to match it all up under one person and even then they would not be sure that the data they have matched is for the same Joe Smith or some other Joe Smith.
We won't even discuss what the government would/could do with a whole heap of information all neatly tied up with a bow on it. I have noticed that if you are a pensioner the account at the bank is s special notated account (you don't see it) They changed the accounts some time ago if you didn't opt out. (I have wondered if opting out made any difference as you can't see it on your account details. This means they have a way of grouping pensioners and their financial info. It was instituted under the guise of ensuring that the banks and other institutions deal fairly with pensioners and prevent scams. Have a little think about what else they might do with it.
The whole subject could be or might be very scary.. or not. Could/Would. Of late I personally opt for would (do anything)