Well that says a lot for their cultural heritage. Pay us some money and it's yours.
And for me it's Ayres Rock. Always was, always will be.
-- Edited by Corndoggy on Wednesday 27th of August 2025 12:26:03 PM
Ineedabiggerboat said
11:57 AM Aug 27, 2025
So the $5.7 billion the feds throw at them isnt enough?
DMaxer said
05:55 PM Aug 27, 2025
If someone decided to lounge around or sit on a headstone of one of your relatives or friends at the cemetery or climbed up a war memorial or the cenotaph would that cause you any concern? They are all located on public land, open to everyone.
Or is it just about our sacred places, not theirs?
Ineedabiggerboat said
06:42 PM Aug 27, 2025
Spoken like a true socialist.
Its a big rock, turned on its side.
Great view from up there.
Corndoggy said
07:28 PM Aug 27, 2025
People trample over my parents graves eveytime they walk around the area they were planted. Doesnt worry me. I trample all over their relatives/friends when I'm there.
rgren2 said
10:01 PM Aug 27, 2025
DMaxer wrote:
If someone decided to lounge around or sit on a headstone of one of your relatives or friends at the cemetery or climbed up a war memorial or the cenotaph would that cause you any concern? They are all located on public land, open to everyone. Or is it just about our sacred places, not theirs?
Back over 50 years ago, Paddy Uluru was recognised as the primary aboriginal custodian of Ayers Rock as it was called at the time. He was quoted in the '70s as saying that climbing the rock is of not of cultural significance to aboriginal people and If tourists are stupid enough to climb the rock, they're welcome to it.
It was only in later years that claims of culturual significance came about. Further reading in Peter English's 1986 book "Storm over Uluru - The Greatest Hoax of All".
Edit: I see Rgren got in a few minutes before me with the reference to Paddy Uluru and his statement.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Wednesday 27th of August 2025 10:22:07 PM
Magnarc said
08:50 AM Aug 28, 2025
One has to wonder just how many of these "sacred" sites are kosher.
Magnarc said
08:53 AM Aug 28, 2025
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-- Edited by Magnarc on Friday 29th of August 2025 07:29:24 AM
Ineedabiggerboat said
11:16 AM Aug 28, 2025
How do you find an sacred site?
With a geiger counter.
Magnarc said
08:15 AM Aug 30, 2025
Ineedabiggerboat wrote:
How do you find an sacred site? With a geiger counter.
Proof that you don"t need a hundred words to convey a point.
Ineedabiggerboat said
10:45 AM Aug 30, 2025
I was quoting John Laws
dogbox said
03:18 PM Aug 30, 2025
rgren2 wrote:
DMaxer wrote:
If someone decided to lounge around or sit on a headstone of one of your relatives or friends at the cemetery or climbed up a war memorial or the cenotaph would that cause you any concern? They are all located on public land, open to everyone. Or is it just about our sacred places, not theirs?
any truth to the rumour that the indigedious people working there are not local
msg said
11:05 PM Sep 15, 2025
Ayres Rock Resort has just been sold to an overseas corp for big money.
-- Edited by msg on Monday 15th of September 2025 11:05:58 PM
Brodie Allen said
01:34 PM Sep 21, 2025
msg wrote:
Ayres Rock Resort has just been sold to an overseas corp for big money.
-- Edited by msg on Monday 15th of September 2025 11:05:58 PM
Good on yer, albo.
Sell of our heritage for a few bob for now.
should never be allowed!!!
B
Ineedabiggerboat said
01:49 PM Sep 21, 2025
Package deal with the port lol
msg said
01:54 PM Sep 21, 2025
The iconic Ayers Rock Resort, the sole major accommodation at Uluru, is being sold by the Indigenous Land and Sea Corporation (ILSC) to the US-owned tourism operator Journey Beyond for approximately $300 million. The sale concludes the ILSC's controversial 15-year ownership, which began with a $300 million purchase in 2010. The resort also includes the Mossman Gorge Cultural Centre and several other hotels and a campground. Will Ayres Rock be sold as well?
DMaxer said
01:26 PM Sep 25, 2025
The land surrounding and including Ayers Rock is owned by an aboriginal trust who represent the traditional owners. It was handed back to the traditional owners in 1985 with certain caveats.
The land was then leased back to the Government through the Australian National Parks and Wildlife Service on a 99 year lease to be managed as a national park.
What was sold was a resort. If you really want to get hysterical have a look at the number of resorts in Australia not linked with indigenous organisations that are foreign owned.
I imagine if everything is just about money and not cultural ties then the traditional owners would allow people to climb Uluru and just charge them a fee for doing so.
The real reason you cannot climb Uluru is legislated. It was found to be causing erosion and damaging the ecosystem. Climbing is not allowed under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act. This act was introduced by Little Johnny back in 1999 and came into existence in 2000. It is reviewed every ten years to ensure it is still relevant to certain areas.
Brodie Allen said
06:13 PM Sep 25, 2025
DMaxer wrote:
The land surrounding and including Ayers Rock is owned by an aboriginal trust who represent the traditional owners. It was handed back to the traditional owners in 1985 with certain caveats.
The land was then leased back to the Government through the Australian National Parks and Wildlife Service on a 99 year lease to be managed as a national park.
What was sold was a resort. If you really want to get hysterical have a look at the number of resorts in Australia not linked with indigenous organisations that are foreign owned.
I imagine if everything is just about money and not cultural ties then the traditional owners would allow people to climb Uluru and just charge them a fee for doing so.
The real reason you cannot climb Uluru is legislated. It was found to be causing erosion and damaging the ecosystem. Climbing is not allowed under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act. This act was introduced by Little Johnny back in 1999 and came into existence in 2000. It is reviewed every ten years to ensure it is still relevant to certain areas.
You could climb Ayers Rock for a hundred years and not leave a footprint.
Erosion guff is just that.
B
DMaxer said
07:18 AM Sep 26, 2025
Although members of the tribes deemed to be the traditional owners expressed a view that they considered climbing on the rock disrespectful to their ancestors, it was the view of Parks Australia, a federal government agency, that determined it was environmentally damaging. It was based on their scientific examinations.
Perhaps you could make representations to that department and after informing them of your relevant qualifications point out the errors in their findings.
msg said
03:38 PM Sep 26, 2025
It just annoys me that visiting Ayres Rock costs you big time. There is so much free space you should be able to camp pretty well anywhere. What, are they trying to keep us safe from the dingos? Once again, if you need goods and services, then you should pay for them, but a small space to parkup in a self contained vehicle? Its a bit rich. Its a rock out in the middle of nowhere not an amusement park for goodness sake. and BTW Parks & Wildlife building roads, walkways viewing platforms etc is destroying the landscape not conserving it.
-- Edited by msg on Friday 26th of September 2025 03:40:11 PM
DMaxer said
04:11 PM Sep 26, 2025
It certainly does. Funnily enough, I found the rock much more interesting and intriguing when I looked at it from a distance. Up close is a bit like standing next to the Harbour Bridge or Opera House, it is better from a distance and away from the selfie taking hordes. It is one of those things I like to look at with as few people around as possible.
Seeing the sun rise and set on it is just magnificent.
Just spent 20 minutes trying to drag and drop or upload etc etc a youtube site
onto this crazy site. Done it before many times but not in the hunt now.
Go to
YouTube and enter:
Not an attractive site
and see what we have come to.
Might mention that Mount Warning here on the Gold Coast
is now out of bounds also for the same reasons.
Between indigenous and national parks and their restrictions
I reckon that it won't be long before I'm a fee paying tourist
in my own country.
Well that says a lot for their cultural heritage. Pay us some money and it's yours.
And for me it's Ayres Rock. Always was, always will be.
-- Edited by Corndoggy on Wednesday 27th of August 2025 12:26:03 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7239093/Aboriginal-elder-no-problem-tourists-climbing-Uluru.html
Back over 50 years ago, Paddy Uluru was recognised as the primary aboriginal custodian of Ayers Rock as it was called at the time. He was quoted in the '70s as saying that climbing the rock is of not of cultural significance to aboriginal people and If tourists are stupid enough to climb the rock, they're welcome to it.
It was only in later years that claims of culturual significance came about. Further reading in Peter English's 1986 book "Storm over Uluru - The Greatest Hoax of All".
Edit: I see Rgren got in a few minutes before me with the reference to Paddy Uluru and his statement.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Wednesday 27th of August 2025 10:22:07 PM
One has to wonder just how many of these "sacred" sites are kosher.
Post deleted.
-- Edited by Magnarc on Thursday 28th of August 2025 08:54:24 AM
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-- Edited by Magnarc on Friday 29th of August 2025 07:29:24 AM
Proof that you don"t need a hundred words to convey a point.
And who exactly was Ayre for whom Uluru was previously named?
Always was???
-- Edited by Evernew98 on Sunday 7th of September 2025 11:48:24 AM
It was named by white fella after Sir Henry Ayers. It can be called Ayers Rock or Uluru. You can use Uluru if you like. I won't.
Interesting that Ayers Rock Resort has not been renamed.
Ayers Rock Resort
Will be now it's been mentioned.
Why has it taken so long to realise these sacred sites?
I read somewhere that the climbing chain and route was installed largely with Indiginous assistance.
Why is this bloody font so small?
B
I have selected size 3 - 12pt in Advanced editor.
B
Still using stolen flag, P&M.
any truth to the rumour that the indigedious people working there are not local
Ayres Rock Resort has just been sold to an overseas corp for big money.
-- Edited by msg on Monday 15th of September 2025 11:05:58 PM
Good on yer, albo.
Sell of our heritage for a few bob for now.
should never be allowed!!!
B
The land surrounding and including Ayers Rock is owned by an aboriginal trust who represent the traditional owners. It was handed back to the traditional owners in 1985 with certain caveats.
The land was then leased back to the Government through the Australian National Parks and Wildlife Service on a 99 year lease to be managed as a national park.
What was sold was a resort. If you really want to get hysterical have a look at the number of resorts in Australia not linked with indigenous organisations that are foreign owned.
I imagine if everything is just about money and not cultural ties then the traditional owners would allow people to climb Uluru and just charge them a fee for doing so.
The real reason you cannot climb Uluru is legislated. It was found to be causing erosion and damaging the ecosystem. Climbing is not allowed under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act. This act was introduced by Little Johnny back in 1999 and came into existence in 2000. It is reviewed every ten years to ensure it is still relevant to certain areas.
You could climb Ayers Rock for a hundred years and not leave a footprint.
Erosion guff is just that.
B
It just annoys me that visiting Ayres Rock costs you big time. There is so much free space you should be able to camp pretty well anywhere. What, are they trying to keep us safe from the dingos? Once again, if you need goods and services, then you should pay for them, but a small space to parkup in a self contained vehicle? Its a bit rich. Its a rock out in the middle of nowhere not an amusement park for goodness sake. and BTW Parks & Wildlife building roads, walkways viewing platforms etc is destroying the landscape not conserving it.
-- Edited by msg on Friday 26th of September 2025 03:40:11 PM