After being a sub-editor for a magazine before I retired, I know the difference between quite and quiet, chose and choose, of and off, there and they're, your and you're, to and too and so on.
So, at the top of this page the add for Enginesaver.com.au should read 'don't' LOSE your cool!'
Of course, sadly these days spell checkers do not seem to be able to tell the difference between such words.
Murray
msg said
05:19 PM Dec 14, 2024
x2 They probably drop the "t" in the middle of words also. e.g. " im por ant" is almost the accepted way to say "important" its becoming normalised.
dorian said
07:36 PM Dec 14, 2024
Long Weekend wrote:
I can't stand it anymore !
After being a sub-editor for a magazine before I retired, I know the difference between quite and quiet, chose and choose, of and off, there and they're, your and you're, to and too and so on.
So, at the top of this page the add for Enginesaver.com.au should read 'don't' LOSE your cool!'
Of course, sadly these days spell checkers do not seem to be able to tell the difference between such words.
Murray
... but do you know the difference between "add" and "ad"?
Joda said
08:27 PM Dec 14, 2024
I cannot stand the suspense, how is the advertisement worded?
I chucked in the full word for ad. for dorian.
dorian said
08:45 PM Dec 14, 2024
Joda wrote:
I cannot stand the suspense, how is the advertisement worded? I chucked in the full word for ad. for dorian.
I turned off my advertisement blocker just for you, Joda.
Here it is, at the top of your screen:
rgren2 said
09:17 PM Dec 14, 2024
dorian wrote:
Long Weekend wrote:
I can't stand it anymore !
After being a sub-editor for a magazine before I retired, I know the difference between quite and quiet, chose and choose, of and off, there and they're, your and you're, to and too and so on.
So, at the top of this page the add for Enginesaver.com.au should read 'don't' LOSE your cool!'
Of course, sadly these days spell checkers do not seem to be able to tell the difference between such words.
Murray
... but do you know the difference between "add" and "ad"?
Maybe it doesnt add up.
Are We Lost said
09:55 PM Dec 14, 2024
dorian wrote:
... but do you know the difference between "add" and "ad"?
Oh, the irony.
rmoor said
09:43 AM Dec 15, 2024
Yep, not big on spellchecker, they have dumbed down society heaps.
"Loose" cannons possibly
There is another one, canon and cannon.
There are too many speakers substitute "impordand" for "important".
A pet hate, one former NSW female Premier was from the impordand club.
The other one that also gets my back up is 'jear" substituted for "year". "Next Jear" drives me crazy.
Most of the morning show hosts are "next jear" people.
How much more difficult is it to pronounce "Y" instead of "J"???????
Don't even start me on Elmer Fudd, our Chairman's Lounge jet-setter. Have to turn him off, it is either that or scream!!!!
It is almost as frustrating listening to Justin Langer or David Warner on the cricket commentary.
A man is looking for a rope sometimes having to suffer the likes of them and their respective weird vocabulary.
Langer sounds like he is on a loop, he echo's himself !!!!
Strange fish.........
dorian said
09:55 AM Dec 15, 2024
rmoor wrote:
It is almost as frustrating listening to Justin Langer or David Warner on the cricket commentary. A man is looking for a rope sometimes having to suffer the likes of them and their respective weird vocabulary. Langer sounds like he is on a loop, he echo's himself !!!!
Strange fish.........
The only thing worse than watching cricket is watching people talking about cricket.
Dick0 said
10:31 AM Dec 15, 2024
dorian wrote:
Long Weekend wrote:
I can't stand it anymore !
After being a sub-editor for a magazine before I retired, I know the difference between quite and quiet, chose and choose, of and off, there and they're, your and you're, to and too and so on.
So, at the top of this page the add for Enginesaver.com.au should read 'don't' LOSE your cool!'
Of course, sadly these days spell checkers do not seem to be able to tell the difference between such words.
Murray
... but do you know the difference between "add" and "ad"?
Long Weekend said
01:52 PM Dec 15, 2024
Basically, add (double 'd') means to total a list of numbers. Include more details into written text. Put something on top of other things (add another log on the campfire). And so on.
Ad (single 'd') is generally accepted to mean an advertisement in a newspaper or other medium.
Then there is the phrase 'ad hoc' for which many examples can be found with an Internet search.
Murray
Long Weekend said
02:07 PM Dec 15, 2024
I forgot cooking. You add eggs into the dough for making cakes. Or into the frying pan with the bacon for breakfast.
Murray
Brodie Allen said
04:05 PM Dec 15, 2024
The running footers and title footers on Fox are generated by kids in grade 3.
Some are absolutely laughable!
B
Davkaz said
08:40 AM Dec 16, 2024
My friend brought a new caravan and bought it round to show me.
dorian said
09:18 AM Dec 16, 2024
These days I can't write a post without numerous typos, mostly due to fat-fingering and a need for new spectacles. There is also the occasional grammatical error, but most disturbing is the omission of entire words. I suspect that the latter may be indicative of some kind of cognitive decline. I keep track of my cognitive performance by solving puzzles every day. Some puzzles are timed, and I maintain a record of my rolling average to alert me to any decline.
msg said
12:50 PM Dec 16, 2024
I put it down to auto correct. or perhaps a less sensitive keyboard. I have also caught auto correct change a word completely. Censorship? Bad programming? I spend more time correcting what I type than I do typing it. AI leave me alone. I have perfectly good typing skills, spelling and grammar TYVM.
Long Weekend said
03:45 PM Dec 16, 2024
Davkaz: Brought and Bought are the wrong way around.
The way I get them right is 'brought' with an 'R' is bring: bought with no 'R' is buy.
Considering the number of times those two words get mixed up I wonder how many others reading your post picked it up?
Murray
Edit - added a colon!
-- Edited by Long Weekend on Monday 16th of December 2024 03:46:58 PM
Are We Lost said
05:56 PM Dec 16, 2024
I seen it immediately.
msg said
07:33 PM Dec 16, 2024
AWL: "saw" Accidentally on purpose? AI must have changed it for you.
msg said
07:38 PM Dec 16, 2024
When are they going to correct the ad? or perhaps it was one of those advertisement tricks for getting attention? It certainly was successful. We all fell for it.
-- Edited by msg on Monday 16th of December 2024 07:38:43 PM
Are We Lost said
08:06 PM Dec 16, 2024
msg wrote:
AWL: "saw" Accidentally on purpose? AI must have changed it for you.
Really? I should have mentioned that it was me and me missus who seen it together. If I was better at grammar I would note something else wrong with this sentence.
peter67 said
09:27 AM Dec 17, 2024
Cracks me up AWL.
Dick0 said
09:40 AM Dec 17, 2024
Long Weekend wrote:
I can't stand it anymore !
After being a sub-editor for a magazine before I retired, I know the difference between quite and quiet, chose and choose, of and off, there and they're, your and you're, to and too and so on.
So, at the top of this page the add for Enginesaver.com.au should read 'don't' LOSE your cool!'
Of course, sadly these days spell checkers do not seem to be able to tell the difference between such words.
Murray
Similar to Grey Nomads happy hours.
watsea said
10:50 AM Dec 17, 2024
What I notice during recent times is the common use of were as the verb in a sentence when the subject of the sentence is singular and the verb should be was. At least, that was my English grammar learning. For example, currently common use- If I were to that again, I would do it with the correct verb. I is singular, so the verb should be was.
Probably my double apostrophes will not show in my post. Hope they will.
Edit- Yep, my double apostrophes have not shown.
-- Edited by watsea on Tuesday 17th of December 2024 10:51:10 AM
dorian said
10:59 AM Dec 17, 2024
Me:
Which is grammatically correct, "If I were a rich man" or "If I was a rich man"?
AI:
The grammatically correct phrase is "If I were a rich man." This is an example of the subjunctive mood in English, which is used to express hypothetical or unreal situations. In this case, "If I were" is used to talk about something that isn't actually true but is imagined or wished for.
Here's a quick guide:
- Subjunctive Mood: Used for hypothetical or non-real situations (e.g., "If I were you" or "If I were rich").
- Indicative Mood: Used for statements of fact or reality (e.g., "If I was late, it was because of traffic").
So, in your case, "If I were a rich man" is the way to go!
watsea said
11:41 AM Dec 17, 2024
dorian wrote:
Me:
Which is grammatically correct, "If I were a rich man" or "If I was a rich man"?
AI:
The grammatically correct phrase is "If I were a rich man." This is an example of the subjunctive mood in English, which is used to express hypothetical or unreal situations. In this case, "If I were" is used to talk about something that isn't actually true but is imagined or wished for.
Here's a quick guide:
- Subjunctive Mood: Used for hypothetical or non-real situations (e.g., "If I were you" or "If I were rich").
- Indicative Mood: Used for statements of fact or reality (e.g., "If I was late, it was because of traffic").
So, in your case, "If I were a rich man" is the way to go!
There must be many hypothetical issues around these days compared to the past.
Are We Lost said
11:44 AM Dec 17, 2024
It looks lke Dorian has found the grammatical error I posed in the last sentence of my previous post.
Following on from Watsea's comment about singular and plural nouns, which is correct?
The team are poised to win the trophy vs the team is poised to win the trophy. Subsitute Australia for team. Any different?
Kmart have that item on special vs Kmart has that item on special
If you think the latter for for the Kmart one, what about:
Bunnings have that item on special vs Bunnings has that item on special. Commonly an "s" at the end of the name denotes plural. Do you usually change the verb form when referring to Bunnings?
Of course we are all conditioned to accept what we were taught as being correct. At that time it probably was. Would students of English in the past be horrified at what we were taught as being correct. Language changes. I asked Copilot for an example of old English.
"Forsooth, it hath been declared by mine own hand and with mine utmost fidelity, that this matter be resolved forthwith, lest it lead to untoward complications." vs
"I am stating with full confidence that this issue should be resolved immediately to avoid any problems."
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Tuesday 17th of December 2024 12:11:14 PM
watsea said
12:06 PM Dec 17, 2024
Are We Lost, From MLA Style Centre: With collective nouns, if you're emphasising that a group of people all collectively did one action, you use the singular verb; if the group members each different actions, you use the plural.
I think an organisation (yes, singular here, is it not) would be how KMart, Bunnings are known, so use of the singular verb would apply. Also this applies to a team.
-- Edited by watsea on Tuesday 17th of December 2024 12:06:55 PM
Are We Lost said
12:17 PM Dec 17, 2024
Yes, I agree. However I must admit to slipping a bit when referiing to companies that have an S at the end of the name. I know it is still one company, and that is singular. But it does sound odd to say "Bunnings has that item". I should rap myself on the knuckles with the cane when I use "have".
As for "The team is poised to win", I think just about every journalist and TV presenter must have been absent on the days that rule was discussed.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Tuesday 17th of December 2024 12:21:20 PM
dorian said
12:43 PM Dec 17, 2024
Are We Lost wrote:
Following on from Watsea's comment about singular and plural nouns, which is correct?
The team are poised to win the trophy vs the team is poised to win the trophy. Subsitute Australia for team. Any different?
Kmart have that item on special vs Kmart has that item on special
Those exact same examples often confuse me. In fact, I use the singular and plural forms interchangeably. Neither grates on my mind. I think common usage will eventually accept both as correct. The same thing has happened to the plural forms of datum and agendum, for example.
The following example mixes both plural and singular, but doesn't sound obviously wrong to me:
"Manchester United was in second place on the table until they beat Liverpool on the weekend."
Part of my problem is that my generation went through high school at a time when the teaching of grammar was removed from the curriculum. Instead, we were supposed to learn by reading and listening.
I can't stand it anymore !
After being a sub-editor for a magazine before I retired, I know the difference between quite and quiet, chose and choose, of and off, there and they're, your and you're, to and too and so on.
So, at the top of this page the add for Enginesaver.com.au should read 'don't' LOSE your cool!'
Of course, sadly these days spell checkers do not seem to be able to tell the difference between such words.
Murray
... but do you know the difference between "add" and "ad"?
I turned off my advertisement blocker just for you, Joda.
Here it is, at the top of your screen:
Maybe it doesnt add up.
Oh, the irony.
"Loose" cannons possibly
There is another one, canon and cannon.
There are too many speakers substitute "impordand" for "important".
A pet hate, one former NSW female Premier was from the impordand club.
The other one that also gets my back up is 'jear" substituted for "year". "Next Jear" drives me crazy.
Most of the morning show hosts are "next jear" people.
How much more difficult is it to pronounce "Y" instead of "J"???????
Don't even start me on Elmer Fudd, our Chairman's Lounge jet-setter. Have to turn him off, it is either that or scream!!!!
It is almost as frustrating listening to Justin Langer or David Warner on the cricket commentary.
A man is looking for a rope sometimes having to suffer the likes of them and their respective weird vocabulary.
Langer sounds like he is on a loop, he echo's himself !!!!
Strange fish.........
The only thing worse than watching cricket is watching people talking about cricket.
Ad (single 'd') is generally accepted to mean an advertisement in a newspaper or other medium.
Then there is the phrase 'ad hoc' for which many examples can be found with an Internet search.
Murray
Murray
Some are absolutely laughable!
B
Davkaz: Brought and Bought are the wrong way around.
The way I get them right is 'brought' with an 'R' is bring: bought with no 'R' is buy.
Considering the number of times those two words get mixed up I wonder how many others reading your post picked it up?
Murray
Edit - added a colon!
-- Edited by Long Weekend on Monday 16th of December 2024 03:46:58 PM
When are they going to correct the ad? or perhaps it was one of those advertisement tricks for getting attention? It certainly was successful. We all fell for it.
-- Edited by msg on Monday 16th of December 2024 07:38:43 PM
Really? I should have mentioned that it was me and me missus who seen it together. If I was better at grammar I would note something else wrong with this sentence.
Similar to Grey Nomads happy hours.
What I notice during recent times is the common use of were as the verb in a sentence when the subject of the sentence is singular and the verb should be was. At least, that was my English grammar learning.
For example, currently common use-
If I were to that again, I would do it with the correct verb.
I is singular, so the verb should be was.
Probably my double apostrophes will not show in my post. Hope they will.
Edit- Yep, my double apostrophes have not shown.
-- Edited by watsea on Tuesday 17th of December 2024 10:51:10 AM
Me:
Which is grammatically correct, "If I were a rich man" or "If I was a rich man"?
AI:
The grammatically correct phrase is "If I were a rich man." This is an example of the subjunctive mood in English, which is used to express hypothetical or unreal situations. In this case, "If I were" is used to talk about something that isn't actually true but is imagined or wished for.
Here's a quick guide:
- Subjunctive Mood: Used for hypothetical or non-real situations (e.g., "If I were you" or "If I were rich").
- Indicative Mood: Used for statements of fact or reality (e.g., "If I was late, it was because of traffic").
So, in your case, "If I were a rich man" is the way to go!
There must be many hypothetical issues around these days compared to the past.
It looks lke Dorian has found the grammatical error I posed in the last sentence of my previous post.
Following on from Watsea's comment about singular and plural nouns, which is correct?
The team are poised to win the trophy vs the team is poised to win the trophy. Subsitute Australia for team. Any different?
Kmart have that item on special vs Kmart has that item on special
If you think the latter for for the Kmart one, what about:
Bunnings have that item on special vs Bunnings has that item on special. Commonly an "s" at the end of the name denotes plural. Do you usually change the verb form when referring to Bunnings?
Of course we are all conditioned to accept what we were taught as being correct. At that time it probably was. Would students of English in the past be horrified at what we were taught as being correct. Language changes. I asked Copilot for an example of old English.
"Forsooth, it hath been declared by mine own hand and with mine utmost fidelity, that this matter be resolved forthwith, lest it lead to untoward complications." vs
"I am stating with full confidence that this issue should be resolved immediately to avoid any problems."
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Tuesday 17th of December 2024 12:11:14 PM
Are We Lost,
From MLA Style Centre:
With collective nouns, if you're emphasising that a group of people all collectively did one action, you use the singular verb; if the group members each different actions, you use the plural.
I think an organisation (yes, singular here, is it not) would be how KMart, Bunnings are known, so use of the singular verb would apply.
Also this applies to a team.
-- Edited by watsea on Tuesday 17th of December 2024 12:06:55 PM
Yes, I agree. However I must admit to slipping a bit when referiing to companies that have an S at the end of the name. I know it is still one company, and that is singular. But it does sound odd to say "Bunnings has that item". I should rap myself on the knuckles with the cane when I use "have".
As for "The team is poised to win", I think just about every journalist and TV presenter must have been absent on the days that rule was discussed.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Tuesday 17th of December 2024 12:21:20 PM
Those exact same examples often confuse me. In fact, I use the singular and plural forms interchangeably. Neither grates on my mind. I think common usage will eventually accept both as correct. The same thing has happened to the plural forms of datum and agendum, for example.
The following example mixes both plural and singular, but doesn't sound obviously wrong to me:
"Manchester United was in second place on the table until they beat Liverpool on the weekend."
Part of my problem is that my generation went through high school at a time when the teaching of grammar was removed from the curriculum. Instead, we were supposed to learn by reading and listening.