Nice smile. How long will that smile last in Cell Block A?
Will definitely be an "attractive" attraction for the "love starved" inmates.
Oh mama !
dorian said
06:58 AM Dec 11, 2024
I wonder how many Americans have died or been bankrupted when they were denied life-saving operations or medications? Instead of spending millions on security for their executives, perhaps these insurance companies should spend this money on their policy holders? Let's hope that our own medical system doesn't revert to those dark, pre-Medibank years.
Tony Bev said
07:21 PM Dec 11, 2024
dorian wrote:
I wonder how many Americans have died or been bankrupted when they were denied life-saving operations or medications? Instead of spending millions on security for their executives, perhaps these insurance companies should spend this money on their policy holders? Let's hope that our own medical system doesn't revert to those dark, pre-Medibank years.
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Cupie said
11:10 PM Dec 15, 2024
X3
BTW Just had experience with three hospitals in Vietnam & Cambodia .. Excellent service & not too expensive
First in Halong was a Military hosp. Basic but super efficient & cheap 50USD for 9 stiches in hand & foot + medications
Then 3 days & two nights in an International Hosp in HoiAn bit more at 572USD
Finally Emergency treatment at International Hospital in Siem Reap .. only 400USD
All the above are claimable through my Travel Insurance. Of course they may have a fit when they see the first bill expressed in Viet Dong .. 14,528,800 VND
In every case the treatment was immediate, at least as good as Au Private hospitals & to my thinking not expensive.
(Not so for the locals though - Cambodian well off go to Vietnam, rich to Thailand & wealthy to US .. anti biotics are available over the counter at Pharmacies and the locals use traditional medicine or gobble them like Panadol)
Comments like the previous three start people thinking that way. How could you make posts that seem to justify his actions?
A strange woirld.
dorian said
08:45 AM Dec 16, 2024
Are We Lost wrote:
Comments like the previous three start people thinking that way. How could you make posts that seem to justify his actions?
A strange woirld.
Nobody in this place has attempted to justify the killing. When something like this happens, the first thing we need to do is to understand the motivation. The second thing to do is to make appropriate changes to reduce the chance of the same thing happening in future.
What this crime has done is to shine the spotlight on a broken health care system and the depth of anger at those who are sacrificing lives for profits.
Aussie1 said
07:54 PM Dec 16, 2024
Are We Lost wrote:
Comments like the previous three start people thinking that way. How could you make posts that seem to justify his actions?
A strange woirld.
I agree Stephen, the inference is clearly there.
The end does not justify the means.
Anyhow just a cowardly killer and in the back for goodness sakes.
Cupie said
08:57 PM Dec 16, 2024
Aussie1 wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
Comments like the previous three start people thinking that way. How could you make posts that seem to justify his actions?
A strange woirld.
I agree Stephen, the inference is clearly there.
The end does not justify the means.
Anyhow just a cowardly killer and in the back for goodness sakes.
It was certainly not my intention to infer support for his actions.
I think that YOU are reading into it what YOU want to.
Aussie1 said
10:21 PM Dec 16, 2024
Cupie wrote:
Aussie1 wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
Comments like the previous three start people thinking that way. How could you make posts that seem to justify his actions?
A strange woirld.
I agree Stephen, the inference is clearly there.
The end does not justify the means.
Anyhow just a cowardly killer and in the back for goodness sakes.
It was certainly not my intention to infer support for his actions.
I think that YOU are reading into it what YOU want to.
Yep, your right, and I expect some will agree with me.
Tony Bev said
10:46 AM Dec 17, 2024
Cupie wrote:
Aussie1 wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
Comments like the previous three start people thinking that way. How could you make posts that seem to justify his actions?
A strange woirld.
I agree Stephen, the inference is clearly there.
The end does not justify the means.
Anyhow just a cowardly killer and in the back for goodness sakes.
It was certainly not my intention to infer support for his actions.
I think that YOU are reading into it what YOU want to.
X 2
I agree with what both Cupie, and Dorian have said.
Are We Lost said
11:35 AM Dec 17, 2024
Probably those making such comments have also lamented how they wish Crooks had been more accurate when on the rooftop in Butler.
dorian said
01:39 PM Dec 17, 2024
Are We Lost wrote:
Probably those making such comments have also lamented how they wish Crooks had been more accurate when on the rooftop in Butler.
So you believe that people are to be condemned, not because of what they have said, but because of what you think they may be thinking? Can anybody see what is wrong that?
I'm just a messenger, as is ABC News. People are killed in America every day, but since when has a killer garnered this much public support? This is a phenomenon that needs to be analysed and understood. It is more than just a crime. Ironically, it may turn out to be that the victim will become a martyr for the cause of universal health care. Then again, after Columbine, nothing really changed. In fact, there was yet another mass killing at an American school a few days ago.
UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting supporters may target police, courts: Analysts
Less than two weeks after UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was gunned down on the streets of midtown Manhattan, his alleged assassin Luigi Mangione has been greeted not by universal condemnation for the brazen violence -- but rather, a surge of enthusiastic support online for his so-called vigilante justice.
The Center for Internet Security (CIS), a nonprofit focused on cybersecurity that partners with government and law enforcement, released a new threat assessment bulletin warning that online support for the alleged shooter risks encouraging copycat attacks.
"The narratives supporting Mangione's targeted attack likely serve to encourage like-minded individuals, particularly as Mangione continues to be viewed by the public as an 'American hero' and sympathetic figure," CIS' bulletin said.
Threats have proliferated online and multiple "wanted" signs have appeared in New York City depicting healthcare executives. Such "implicit and explicit hit lists exacerbate current risks," CIS wrote.
In Altoona, Pennsylvania, where Mangione was captured on Monday, local police told ABC News they also faced threats and negative blowback for arresting the suspect, as did the McDonald's where he was arrested.
Once extradited, second-degree murder and other charges await Mangione in New York, where he will ultimately face trial.
There, the courthouse itself could be a target, CIS warned, with "individuals seeking to replicate" Mangione's alleged actions likely "emboldened and encouraged."
"Due to widespread public support of the incident, law enforcement and others associated with Mangione's arrest are likely at a higher risk of targeting," the bulletin said.
"Courthouses litigating Mangione's case should be prepared for inauthentic bomb threats and demonstrations in support of Mangione," as well as swatting and doxing, CIS wrote.
Mangione's alleged actions have fueled public appreciation for violence as a "catalyst for change," CIS said -- the "belief that the assassination proved violent action is an effective means of protest."
Then, following Brian Thompson's killing, Elevance reversed the policy "amid the influx of threatening statements," CIS said.
"Several posts targeted the CEO of Elevance Health," CIS wrote, adding that "other companies were also referenced as possible future targets."
But the influx of hostility may not be reserved for the healthcare industry alone, the bulletin said. "Threats are likely to extend to executives in other corporate sectors the public perceives as working against the interests of the American public," CIS wrote.
Aussie1 said
02:12 PM Dec 17, 2024
Bottom line, regardless of what one's thoughts are about that low life killer are (and cowardly at that), it was murder and I hope the system treats him harshly. Hope they have the death penalty where he fronts court.
Are We Lost said
02:29 PM Dec 17, 2024
Dorian, you were the one who opened this subject. Your post does not even mention the perpetrator. All you found worthy of comment was to denigrate the victim. I quote:
"I wonder how many Americans have died or been bankrupted when they were denied life-saving operations or medications? Instead of spending millions on security for their executives, perhaps these insurance companies should spend this money on their policy holders? Let's hope that our own medical system doesn't revert to those dark, pre-Medibank years."
Now read what you last posted and ask yourself if your comment condemning the victim rather than the perpetrator aligns with the warnings about the trend towards vigilantism. Maybe a posse should be formed to hunt out some more evil CEOs.
dorian said
04:10 PM Dec 17, 2024
Are We Lost wrote:
Dorian, you were the one who opened this subject. Your post does not even mention the perpetrator. All you found worthy of comment was to denigrate the victim. I quote:
"I wonder how many Americans have died or been bankrupted when they were denied life-saving operations or medications? Instead of spending millions on security for their executives, perhaps these insurance companies should spend this money on their policy holders? Let's hope that our own medical system doesn't revert to those dark, pre-Medibank years."
Now read what you last posted and ask yourself if your comment condemning the victim rather than the perpetrator aligns with the warnings about the trend towards vigilantism. Maybe a posse should be formed to hunt out some more evil CEOs.
You clearly have an ulterior motive. Your other posts expose you as a one-eyed spin doctor, manipulating the facts and grasping at nuances to make them fit your personal agenda. I did not denigrate the victim, unless you think he and the US health care system are one and the same. In fact, it could be argued that he is a victim of that same system.
Are We Lost said
05:12 PM Dec 17, 2024
dorian wrote:
I did not denigrate the victim, unless you think he and the US health care system are one and the same.
This topic was raised to talk about the murder of a health industry executive. Reports suggest the motive was related to coporate greed in the healthcare industry.
A three-page handwritten manifesto listing his personal grievances against the healthcare industry, including the profits made and the pursuit of alleged crooked motives, was found in his possession.
According to the New York Post, police sources revealed the chilling phrase contained in Mangiones manifesto: These parasites had it coming.
I do apologise for any strife and trauma, but it had to be done, another quote from the manifesto read.
When you chose to open discussion about coporate greed in healthcare it is easy to believe your comments relate to the victim as being a participant in that greed. Anyway, you can have the last word on this.
Aussie1 said
01:00 PM Dec 18, 2024
Good example of how crazy society is these days.
He is being made out to be a "hero" by a lot of very "sick" people.
Cupie said
06:15 PM Dec 18, 2024
Aussie1 wrote:
Good example of how crazy society is these days. He is being made out to be a "hero" by a lot of very "sick" people.
Just another example from a once great society (USA) in decline.
peter67 said
10:40 AM Dec 19, 2024
I'll double down on that comment.
DMaxer said
03:15 PM Dec 19, 2024
I have spent a fair amount of time in the US and always found it a great place with very friendly people. I havent been back since the Covid times but aim to soon.
What were your experiences over there to make you feel that way?
dorian said
03:51 PM Dec 19, 2024
DMaxer wrote:
I have spent a fair amount of time in the US and always found it a great place with very friendly people. I havent been back since the Covid times but aim to soon. What were your experiences over there to make you feel that way?
I had the same good experience in Massachusetts in the early 1980s. However, I was warned to stay away from "The Combat Zone" in Boston.
The arrested person (who hasnt been charged with
murder) has a Con the Fruiterer mono-brow. The people in the photos dont appear to have one.
I agree that those photos look very different. This one looks a lot closer.
Luigi Mangione suspect
In a separate article there it says he has now been charged with murder.
Will definitely be an "attractive" attraction for the "love starved" inmates.
Oh mama !
X 2
X3
BTW Just had experience with three hospitals in Vietnam & Cambodia .. Excellent service & not too expensive
First in Halong was a Military hosp. Basic but super efficient & cheap 50USD for 9 stiches in hand & foot + medications
Then 3 days & two nights in an International Hosp in HoiAn bit more at 572USD
Finally Emergency treatment at International Hospital in Siem Reap .. only 400USD
All the above are claimable through my Travel Insurance. Of course they may have a fit when they see the first bill expressed in Viet Dong .. 14,528,800 VND
In every case the treatment was immediate, at least as good as Au Private hospitals & to my thinking not expensive.
(Not so for the locals though - Cambodian well off go to Vietnam, rich to Thailand & wealthy to US .. anti biotics are available over the counter at Pharmacies and the locals use traditional medicine or gobble them like Panadol)
abcnews.go.com/US/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-supporters-target-police-courts-analysts/story
A strange woirld.
Nobody in this place has attempted to justify the killing. When something like this happens, the first thing we need to do is to understand the motivation. The second thing to do is to make appropriate changes to reduce the chance of the same thing happening in future.
What this crime has done is to shine the spotlight on a broken health care system and the depth of anger at those who are sacrificing lives for profits.
I agree Stephen, the inference is clearly there.
The end does not justify the means.
Anyhow just a cowardly killer and in the back for goodness sakes.
It was certainly not my intention to infer support for his actions.
I think that YOU are reading into it what YOU want to.
Yep, your right, and I expect some will agree with me.
X 2
I agree with what both Cupie, and Dorian have said.
So you believe that people are to be condemned, not because of what they have said, but because of what you think they may be thinking? Can anybody see what is wrong that?
I'm just a messenger, as is ABC News. People are killed in America every day, but since when has a killer garnered this much public support? This is a phenomenon that needs to be analysed and understood. It is more than just a crime. Ironically, it may turn out to be that the victim will become a martyr for the cause of universal health care. Then again, after Columbine, nothing really changed. In fact, there was yet another mass killing at an American school a few days ago.
UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting supporters may target police, courts: Analysts
Less than two weeks after UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was gunned down on the streets of midtown Manhattan, his alleged assassin Luigi Mangione has been greeted not by universal condemnation for the brazen violence -- but rather, a surge of enthusiastic support online for his so-called vigilante justice.
The Center for Internet Security (CIS), a nonprofit focused on cybersecurity that partners with government and law enforcement, released a new threat assessment bulletin warning that online support for the alleged shooter risks encouraging copycat attacks.
"The narratives supporting Mangione's targeted attack likely serve to encourage like-minded individuals, particularly as Mangione continues to be viewed by the public as an 'American hero' and sympathetic figure," CIS' bulletin said.
Threats have proliferated online and multiple "wanted" signs have appeared in New York City depicting healthcare executives. Such "implicit and explicit hit lists exacerbate current risks," CIS wrote.
In Altoona, Pennsylvania, where Mangione was captured on Monday, local police told ABC News they also faced threats and negative blowback for arresting the suspect, as did the McDonald's where he was arrested.
Once extradited, second-degree murder and other charges await Mangione in New York, where he will ultimately face trial.
There, the courthouse itself could be a target, CIS warned, with "individuals seeking to replicate" Mangione's alleged actions likely "emboldened and encouraged."
"Due to widespread public support of the incident, law enforcement and others associated with Mangione's arrest are likely at a higher risk of targeting," the bulletin said.
"Courthouses litigating Mangione's case should be prepared for inauthentic bomb threats and demonstrations in support of Mangione," as well as swatting and doxing, CIS wrote.
Mangione's alleged actions have fueled public appreciation for violence as a "catalyst for change," CIS said -- the "belief that the assassination proved violent action is an effective means of protest."
Then, following Brian Thompson's killing, Elevance reversed the policy "amid the influx of threatening statements," CIS said.
"Several posts targeted the CEO of Elevance Health," CIS wrote, adding that "other companies were also referenced as possible future targets."
But the influx of hostility may not be reserved for the healthcare industry alone, the bulletin said. "Threats are likely to extend to executives in other corporate sectors the public perceives as working against the interests of the American public," CIS wrote.
"I wonder how many Americans have died or been bankrupted when they were denied life-saving operations or medications? Instead of spending millions on security for their executives, perhaps these insurance companies should spend this money on their policy holders? Let's hope that our own medical system doesn't revert to those dark, pre-Medibank years."
Now read what you last posted and ask yourself if your comment condemning the victim rather than the perpetrator aligns with the warnings about the trend towards vigilantism. Maybe a posse should be formed to hunt out some more evil CEOs.
You clearly have an ulterior motive. Your other posts expose you as a one-eyed spin doctor, manipulating the facts and grasping at nuances to make them fit your personal agenda. I did not denigrate the victim, unless you think he and the US health care system are one and the same. In fact, it could be argued that he is a victim of that same system.
This topic was raised to talk about the murder of a health industry executive. Reports suggest the motive was related to coporate greed in the healthcare industry.
A three-page handwritten manifesto listing his personal grievances against the healthcare industry, including the profits made and the pursuit of alleged crooked motives, was found in his possession.
According to the New York Post, police sources revealed the chilling phrase contained in Mangiones manifesto: These parasites had it coming.
I do apologise for any strife and trauma, but it had to be done, another quote from the manifesto read.
When you chose to open discussion about coporate greed in healthcare it is easy to believe your comments relate to the victim as being a participant in that greed. Anyway, you can have the last word on this.
He is being made out to be a "hero" by a lot of very "sick" people.
Just another example from a once great society (USA) in decline.
I had the same good experience in Massachusetts in the early 1980s. However, I was warned to stay away from "The Combat Zone" in Boston.