Here we have a Jew haggling with God over numbers. I can just imagine Abraham returning triumphantly to his people and saying, "He wanted 50, but I got him down to 10".
26 The Lord said, If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.
27 Then Abraham spoke up again: Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes,28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?
If I find forty-five there, he said, I will not destroy it.
29 Once again he spoke to him, What if only forty are found there?
He said, For the sake of forty, I will not do it.
30 Then he said, May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?
He answered, I will not do it if I find thirty there.
31 Abraham said, Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?
He said, For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it.
32 Then he said, May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?
He answered, For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.
33 When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.
Plain Truth said
04:41 PM May 15, 2024
Abraham wasn't a Jew,he came from Ur in Chaldea.( today's Iraq).Gen11-31
The Jews are named after Judah,the fourth son of Jacob.
Jacob's name was latter changed to Israel.Gen32-28
Aussie1 said
05:37 PM May 15, 2024
Plain Truth wrote:
Abraham wasn't a Jew,he came from Ur in Chaldea.( today's Iraq).Gen11-31
The Jews are named after Judah,the fourth son of Jacob.
Jacob's name was latter changed to Israel.Gen32-28
What a load of absolute crap. All just superstition for the weak and feeble minded
Plain Truth said
06:23 PM May 15, 2024
Aussie1 wrote:
Plain Truth wrote:
Abraham wasn't a Jew,he came from Ur in Chaldea.( today's Iraq).Gen11-31
The Jews are named after Judah,the fourth son of Jacob.
Jacob's name was latter changed to Israel.Gen32-28
What a load of absolute crap. All just superstition for the weak and feeble minded
Show me the proof of your statement
Aussie1 said
06:37 PM May 15, 2024
Plain Truth wrote:
Aussie1 wrote:
Plain Truth wrote:
Abraham wasn't a Jew,he came from Ur in Chaldea.( today's Iraq).Gen11-31
The Jews are named after Judah,the fourth son of Jacob.
Jacob's name was latter changed to Israel.Gen32-28
What a load of absolute crap. All just superstition for the weak and feeble minded
Show me the proof of your statement
Better still, show me the proof of this rubbish
Plain Truth said
07:07 PM May 15, 2024
Aussie1 wrote:
Plain Truth wrote:
Aussie1 wrote:
Plain Truth wrote:
Abraham wasn't a Jew,he came from Ur in Chaldea.( today's Iraq).Gen11-31
The Jews are named after Judah,the fourth son of Jacob.
Jacob's name was latter changed to Israel.Gen32-28
What a load of absolute crap. All just superstition for the weak and feeble minded
Show me the proof of your statement
Better still, show me the proof of this rubbish
How will this do,if you think you are smarter than Wikipedia or Britannica.
Thanks everyone, for your input. However, I am closing this thread now. Please note that we do not allow discussions about religion as, in our experience, these lead to bad feelings and ultimately personal attacks. Thanks for your understanding.
The Old Testament Commandments
Here we have a Jew haggling with God over numbers. I can just imagine Abraham returning triumphantly to his people and saying, "He wanted 50, but I got him down to 10".
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2018%3A26-33&version=NIV
26 The Lord said, If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.
27 Then Abraham spoke up again: Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?
If I find forty-five there, he said, I will not destroy it.
29 Once again he spoke to him, What if only forty are found there?
He said, For the sake of forty, I will not do it.
30 Then he said, May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?
He answered, I will not do it if I find thirty there.
31 Abraham said, Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?
He said, For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it.
32 Then he said, May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?
He answered, For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.
33 When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.
Abraham wasn't a Jew,he came from Ur in Chaldea.( today's Iraq).Gen11-31
The Jews are named after Judah,the fourth son of Jacob.
Jacob's name was latter changed to Israel.Gen32-28
What a load of absolute crap. All just superstition for the weak and feeble minded
Show me the proof of your statement
Better still, show me the proof of this rubbish
How will this do,if you think you are smarter than Wikipedia or Britannica.
Put up your proof that they are wrong
Thanks everyone, for your input. However, I am closing this thread now. Please note that we do not allow discussions about religion as, in our experience, these lead to bad feelings and ultimately personal attacks. Thanks for your understanding.