An Australian Submarine conducts personnel transfers with a MRH-90 Taipan helicopter.
Technicians are currently - and in secret - disassembling all 45 Army Taipan Multi Role Helicopters and will bury the components on a Defence site, Asia Pacific Defence Reporter reports. Worth around $20 million each on the second-hand market, the decision has been taken to instead destroy them on the quiet in the hope that no one notices. Ironically the 10 tonne, twin - engine Taipans are being pulled apart rather than cut up because their carbon fibre construction is so robust.
Yes. They had faults in them from a news report but not so bad that they couldn't be used in a actual war zone by a desperate ally. The engineer disassembling them offered to put a few back together again in his spare time at his own expense!!!
But this Federal Government, comprised of complete Wombats declined the offer.
Fairly typical of this country.
We do everything @r$eabout here and there is only one place to point the finger.
I suppose I will get bagged out again, seems to be the way of this country these days.
So much for "truth telling".
Anything outside the dialogue of the woke fools that are like a slow cancer on our society, then they criticize or tag it misinformation, then I suspect get a thread closed because they are too one-eyed and deny the truth.
Peter_n_Margaret said
05:31 PM Feb 6, 2024
They are not "worth" $20M each because they tried to sell them and no one wanted them, so their value is minus what it costs to get rid of them.
I would have liked Ukraine get them. They were prepared to risk their serious faults.
Cheers,
Peter
dorian said
07:20 PM Feb 6, 2024
rmoor wrote:
Yes. They had faults in them from a news report but not so bad that they couldn't be used in a actual war zone by a desperate ally. The engineer disassembling them offered to put a few back together again in his spare time at his own expense!!! But this Federal Government, comprised of complete Wombats declined the offer.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard any complaints from Dutton. He's not one to miss a political opportunity. That tells me that we aren't being told everything.
Peter_n_Margaret said
08:27 PM Feb 6, 2024
Nor should most military issues be public.
Cheers,
Peter
rmoor said
09:36 PM Feb 6, 2024
True. Military issues should not be in the public domain.
Possum3 said
10:43 PM Feb 6, 2024
rmoor wrote:
True. Military issues should not be in the public domain.
The Public needs to know - as this type of decision proves the incompetency or otherwise of the Govt that made the decisions.
Peter_n_Margaret said
11:29 PM Feb 6, 2024
It is a democracy. We get the government we voted for. Would you have it some other way?
Cheers,
Peter
Bicyclecamper said
08:37 AM Feb 7, 2024
As someone, who formerly was a chopper pilot ( medical reasons dictate why I can't fly anymore) I have followed this issue intently, and speaking to other pilots, what they new about the issue, was their was a 83% chance that they all would crash, that was too high a risk to fly them, or give them away. What I don't understand why they were not returned to the manufacturer and refund given.
rmoor said
09:33 AM Feb 7, 2024
83% chance. One would be shaking in one's boots getting in one of them.
Maybe at 83% they should have sold them to the ruskies instead.
Yep, yourself and Possum3 make fair statements.
Are We Lost said
10:04 AM Feb 7, 2024
Bicyclecamper wrote:.....their was a 83% chance that they all would crash, ...
I would expect that would be over the service life of the chopper, and include human error. Military equipment would frequently be used in more challenging circumstances than commercial aircraft.
So, how many flights would there be in the planned service life? I believe the risk per flight would be minimal. When rescue personnel go out in extreme weather conditions they are probably more at risk. Surely flying anything in a war zone would be more risky than an equipment failure, yet that is what they do.
When this issue first became known, I saw something that said various parts had already been removed, and the cost of retrofitting would be an expense on the Australian taxpayer. Surely they must have thought "Who can use these?" before starting disassembly.
But, as Dorian said, if it was easy, why is Dutton not beating the drum? Perhaps there is technology essential to flying them that they do not want to risk getting into others hands. We don't know enough detail. The same as why can't we claim "not fit for purpose".
Aussie1 said
11:59 AM Feb 7, 2024
rmoor wrote:
83% chance. One would be shaking in one's boots getting in one of them. Maybe at 83% they should have sold them to the ruskies instead. Yep, yourself and Possum3 make fair statements.
Should have "jigged" them up to 100 % chance of crashing and donated to those Houthie characters!
Whenarewethere said
01:37 PM Feb 7, 2024
Ukraine is probably factoring a >50% helicopter failure rate. Which more than likely has far more numerical valve than daisy cutting orcs.
No difference in the value to the 83,000 shells that Canada is sending to land fill as they are a bit out of date & refuse to sell to Ukraine.
Less difference to the well out of date & 2nd 7th rate quality of the 1,000s of container loads of shells Russia is getting from North Korea, which are extremely poorly manufactured to start with often exploding during handling (they work brilliantly from some perspectives!).
Any resource is better than nothing. At least make it miserable for the opposition. Getting down to basics might be the last card one has.
Stalin's Russian 25 million to their graves. A piece of cake compared to China's 100 million to their graves.
45 Army Taipan helicopters scrapped
December 23, 20230339
An Australian Submarine conducts personnel transfers with a MRH-90 Taipan helicopter.
Technicians are currently - and in secret - disassembling all 45 Army Taipan Multi Role Helicopters and will bury the components on a Defence site, Asia Pacific Defence Reporter reports. Worth around $20 million each on the second-hand market, the decision has been taken to instead destroy them on the quiet in the hope that no one notices. Ironically the 10 tonne, twin - engine Taipans are being pulled apart rather than cut up because their carbon fibre construction is so robust.
Ukraine wanted them.
https://navalinstitute.com.au/45-army-taipan-helicopters-scrapped/
But this Federal Government, comprised of complete Wombats declined the offer.
Fairly typical of this country.
We do everything @r$eabout here and there is only one place to point the finger.
I suppose I will get bagged out again, seems to be the way of this country these days.
So much for "truth telling".
Anything outside the dialogue of the woke fools that are like a slow cancer on our society, then they criticize or tag it misinformation, then I suspect get a thread closed because they are too one-eyed and deny the truth.
I would have liked Ukraine get them. They were prepared to risk their serious faults.
Cheers,
Peter
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard any complaints from Dutton. He's not one to miss a political opportunity. That tells me that we aren't being told everything.
Cheers,
Peter
The Public needs to know - as this type of decision proves the incompetency or otherwise of the Govt that made the decisions.
Cheers,
Peter
Maybe at 83% they should have sold them to the ruskies instead.
Yep, yourself and Possum3 make fair statements.
I would expect that would be over the service life of the chopper, and include human error. Military equipment would frequently be used in more challenging circumstances than commercial aircraft.
So, how many flights would there be in the planned service life? I believe the risk per flight would be minimal. When rescue personnel go out in extreme weather conditions they are probably more at risk. Surely flying anything in a war zone would be more risky than an equipment failure, yet that is what they do.
When this issue first became known, I saw something that said various parts had already been removed, and the cost of retrofitting would be an expense on the Australian taxpayer. Surely they must have thought "Who can use these?" before starting disassembly.
But, as Dorian said, if it was easy, why is Dutton not beating the drum? Perhaps there is technology essential to flying them that they do not want to risk getting into others hands. We don't know enough detail. The same as why can't we claim "not fit for purpose".
Should have "jigged" them up to 100 % chance of crashing and donated to those Houthie characters!
Ukraine is probably factoring a >50% helicopter failure rate. Which more than likely has far more numerical valve than daisy cutting orcs.
No difference in the value to the 83,000 shells that Canada is sending to land fill as they are a bit out of date & refuse to sell to Ukraine.
Less difference to the well out of date & 2nd 7th rate quality of the 1,000s of container loads of shells Russia is getting from North Korea, which are extremely poorly manufactured to start with often exploding during handling (they work brilliantly from some perspectives!).
Any resource is better than nothing. At least make it miserable for the opposition. Getting down to basics might be the last card one has.
Stalin's Russian 25 million to their graves. A piece of cake compared to China's 100 million to their graves.