Here we go again. Every time there is flooding people are told not to attempt to drive through it, yet we still have Richard Craniums who ignore the advice thus putting at risk the lives of those who have to rescue them and diverting resources from other areas. The words of the song "When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn" springs to mind. I venture to say never.
Someone once said that common sense ain't so common any more and isn't that a fact. If it was up to me I would be sorely tempted to leave the silly, (expletive deleted) sitting on the roof till the water receded.
AndyCap100 said
08:59 AM Jan 9, 2024
Common sense is truely a dirty and unheard of expression that the `todays, look at me` generation havn`t a clue about .I lay a lot of the blame on todays so called journo`s who are constantly telling people how to do everything ,so no one actually thinks anymore .
For example ,headlines often read ,How to tidy your sock draw! Things you need to know about K marts latest hack ! What to do when tidying your garden. How to clean your toilet with coke!
All absolute drivel written by an idiot who can`t be arsed to find real news.
Latest i just read from the UK,is kids of school age going into class still in nappies .The parents ,???? couldn`t be bothered to teach them anything during the 2yr covid lockdown period .No skills to use utensils ,form a sentence etc etc .
What chance have kids got for the future , with idiot parents .
rant over .
Rock on people
Andy .NZ .
DMaxer said
02:31 PM Jan 9, 2024
Which generation bore, raised, educated and let loose these so called idiots. Some one should be held responsible for allowing this to happen.
Perhaps they just appeared out of nowhere and did not inherit the fabulous genes of their Einsteinian parents and grandparents.
After all, we are all a bunch of geniuses, always have been.
smwhiskey said
05:52 PM Jan 9, 2024
AndyCap100 wrote:
Common sense is truely a dirty and unheard of expression that the `todays, look at me` generation havn`t a clue about .I lay a lot of the blame on todays so called journo`s who are constantly telling people how to do everything ,so no one actually thinks anymore . For example ,headlines often read ,How to tidy your sock draw! Things you need to know about K marts latest hack ! What to do when tidying your garden. How to clean your toilet with coke! All absolute drivel written by an idiot who can`t be arsed to find real news.
Andy .NZ .
You forgot to mention the endless articles that are titled along the lines of "If you're not doing it this way, you're doing it wrong"
Hitting the road said
09:26 AM Jan 10, 2024
Aaaah yes, the new age of the "influencer". Where kids are led to believe they can make a fortune without a full time job by posting inane mindless videos of them selves doing not much at all...then bragging of their thousands of "online followers"..
I cannot see it getting any better as the Governments look for more ways to hand out tax payer money to the population to keep votes coming their way...the most ridiculous brain f**t was Qld's Education Minister calling for school hours to be reduced from 5 days to 4. It seems the little petals are being over worked having to attend school for 5 days a week between their several weeks of "holidays".
But the School Teachers would still be required to attend the schools for all 5 days to baby sit those kiddies whose parents were working are unable to stay home. Not that the kiddies would be at home anyway, more than likely running riot at shopping centres or skate board parks...
smwhiskey said
09:37 AM Jan 10, 2024
Hitting the road wrote:
But the School Teachers would still be required to attend the schools for all 5 days to baby sit those kiddies whose parents were working are unable to stay home. Not that the kiddies would be at home anyway, more than likely running riot at shopping centres or skate board parks...
No they won't. Out of hours school care has been outsourced for years. Those organisations will just do the full day instead of before and after school hours.
peter67 said
09:50 AM Jan 10, 2024
DMaxer wrote:
Which generation bore, raised, educated and let loose these so called idiots. Some one should be held responsible for allowing this to happen.
Perhaps they just appeared out of nowhere and did not inherit the fabulous genes of their Einsteinian parents and grandparents.
After all, we are all a bunch of geniuses, always have been.
Do you have a theory on how Chris Bowen came to be? a prime example of peak stupidity.
Whenarewethere said
11:56 AM Jan 10, 2024
Magnarc wrote:
Someone once said that common sense ain't so common any more and isn't that a fact. If it was up to me I would be sorely tempted to leave the silly, (expletive deleted) sitting on the roof till the water receded.
It did take a young person to marry up rescue boats with people sitting on roofs in Lismore, with a hastily made spreadsheet, adding & ticking off rescues in an efficient manner. Which the government on every level was incapable of organising.
So a few young people have skills. Unlike the rest who follow celebrities, sports people & influencers... whatever they all are (probably nature strip land mines as best as I can personally get my head around).
DMaxer said
12:58 PM Jan 10, 2024
It is ridiculous just to select a few dead heads and then brand a whole generation of young people as following a similar course of behaviour.
When I was their age I did pretty stupid things and a few smart things as well. There are some very bright kids out there if people would stop criticising the obvious and look a bit harder.
I used to have final year students placed with me assisting in trial and legal research and they were just brilliant. I have friends in the medical profession who held the same view with the med students placed with them. Their knowledge would leave us for dead compared to what we knew at the same age.
The media love to select an idiot or two and parade them as an example of what the majority represents. I don't know who is the most cerebrally challenged, the clowns they parade of the dopes who read the articles.
As for the comment regarding Chris Bowen I don't have any theories nor do I consider him stupid. I am sure he speaks highly of you though Peter67. Care to remind us of your achievements in the academic world.
Perhaps those of you who love to criticise young people could take a wander down to your nearest university and just wander into the medical, legal, engineering, science, whatever faculty and give them a rundown on your own massive intellects. Let them know where they are letting down society and then demonstrate your own brilliance. I think it would result in more laughs than the end of year comedy revue.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Wednesday 10th of January 2024 01:03:10 PM
Gundog said
01:35 PM Jan 10, 2024
DMaxer wrote:
It is ridiculous just to select a few dead heads and then brand a whole generation of young people as following a similar course of behaviour.
When I was their age I did pretty stupid things and a few smart things as well. There are some very bright kids out there if people would stop criticising the obvious and look a bit harder.
I used to have final year students placed with me assisting in trial and legal research and they were just brilliant. I have friends in the medical profession who held the same view with the med students placed with them. Their knowledge would leave us for dead compared to what we knew at the same age.
The media love to select an idiot or two and parade them as an example of what the majority represents. I don't know who is the most cerebrally challenged, the clowns they parade of the dopes who read the articles.
As for the comment regarding Chris Bowen I don't have any theories nor do I consider him stupid. I am sure he speaks highly of you though Peter67. Care to remind us of your achievements in the academic world.
Perhaps those of you who love to criticise young people could take a wander down to your nearest university and just wander into the medical, legal, engineering, science, whatever faculty and give them a rundown on your own massive intellects. Let them know where they are letting down society and then demonstrate your own brilliance. I think it would result in more laughs than the end of year comedy revue.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Wednesday 10th of January 2024 01:03:10 PM
What a load of drivel.
How many times are people warned about driving into flooded roads, news report yesterday a person drove into a flooded road and the car was washed a local bloke went to the aid of the stricken vehicle with the aid of a ratchet strap he was able to secure the car until SES arrived. So what penalty should this brain dead victim pay my guess nothing, but it should be the entire cost of the SES team and the local hero efforts should be on the bill and a fine for being dip ****,
What about the stupid clown in Lismore who was advised to evacuate early in the day but didn't , eventually the family had to be evacuated from the house roof by SES rescue boats, brain dead Richard cranium, should have been fined and played the rescue costs.
Its not only floods but natural disasters like bush fires that have dead beats thinking they can beat a bush fire with a garden hose or they expect a fire truck to save the home happy for volunteer fire fighters to save them, as an ex firie it happens far to often.
Santa said
01:42 PM Jan 10, 2024
DMaxer wrote:
It is ridiculous just to select a few dead heads and then brand a whole generation of young people as following a similar course of behaviour.
When I was their age I did pretty stupid things and a few smart things as well. There are some very bright kids out there if people would stop criticising the obvious and look a bit harder.
I used to have final year students placed with me assisting in trial and legal research and they were just brilliant. I have friends in the medical profession who held the same view with the med students placed with them. Their knowledge would leave us for dead compared to what we knew at the same age.
The media love to select an idiot or two and parade them as an example of what the majority represents. I don't know who is the most cerebrally challenged, the clowns they parade of the dopes who read the articles.
As for the comment regarding Chris Bowen I don't have any theories nor do I consider him stupid. I am sure he speaks highly of you though Peter67. Care to remind us of your achievements in the academic world.
Perhaps those of you who love to criticise young people could take a wander down to your nearest university and just wander into the medical, legal, engineering, science, whatever faculty and give them a rundown on your own massive intellects. Let them know where they are letting down society and then demonstrate your own brilliance. I think it would result in more laughs than the end of year comedy revue.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Wednesday 10th of January 2024 01:03:10 PM
Have to agree with DMaxer.
It's easy to cherry pick and find a few dead heads, the truth is, as much as we may hate to admit it, the world belongs to the young.
Some will excel, most will be mediocre/average, and some will be less than smart, it's the human condition.
DMaxer said
03:05 PM Jan 10, 2024
None of these acts of stupidity like driving into flooded causeways or not evacuating after a fire warning have ever happened before this generation came on the scene. Is that right Gundog?
If you want drivel, look no further than the ignorant comments based on total stupidity that you post on a regular basis.
Izabarack said
08:29 PM Jan 10, 2024
The cliche of 'If it's flooded, forget it' ignores the condition of simple water over the road. There is a huge difference between the sheer stupidity of driving into fast flowing flood water and wading through standing water over a sealed road. A recent rain event here dropped up to 153mm in a two hour period. Several local roads were rended unpassable and some were simply covered in ponded runoff water. My vehicle has a technical wading limit of 435 mm. Traversing 25 metres of road through 20 - 50mm of water is of no forseeable danger to me. Cliches like 'Flooded, forget it' are without nuance. Simply driving in heavy rain, especially at speed, risk a horrible death after aquaplaning. Wading through standing water at walking speed over a known stable surface is much less dangerous. Vague, generalised statements about people without thought of what decision making process an individual might go through doesn't cut it. On the other hand, any person who puts themselves in a situation requiring rescue after ignoring evacuation orders or after driving into fast flowing water should be held accountable for all the associated rescue and care costs.
A lot of grey areas come up for me in these rescuse discussions. I have participated in a winch rescue of a Yachtie 85 NM off Mackay and heve helped a couple of Station owners off their roof in flood conditions where the nearest dry land was over 20K away.
Cupie said
09:14 AM Jan 11, 2024
DMaxer wrote:
It is ridiculous just to select a few dead heads and then brand a whole generation of young people as following a similar course of behaviour.
When I was their age I did pretty stupid things and a few smart things as well. There are some very bright kids out there if people would stop criticising the obvious and look a bit harder.
I used to have final year students placed with me assisting in trial and legal research and they were just brilliant. I have friends in the medical profession who held the same view with the med students placed with them. Their knowledge would leave us for dead compared to what we knew at the same age.
The media love to select an idiot or two and parade them as an example of what the majority represents. I don't know who is the most cerebrally challenged, the clowns they parade of the dopes who read the articles.
As for the comment regarding Chris Bowen I don't have any theories nor do I consider him stupid. I am sure he speaks highly of you though Peter67. Care to remind us of your achievements in the academic world.
Perhaps those of you who love to criticise young people could take a wander down to your nearest university and just wander into the medical, legal, engineering, science, whatever faculty and give them a rundown on your own massive intellects. Let them know where they are letting down society and then demonstrate your own brilliance. I think it would result in more laughs than the end of year comedy revue.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Wednesday 10th of January 2024 01:03:10 PM
Very well said. Couldn't agree more.
DMaxer said
11:40 AM Jan 11, 2024
The media love to single out people who may have driven through a flooded causeway or stayed when told to evacuate when a fire storm is approaching.
I was in the Lismore area when the floods hit and if it was not for those brave people who took massive risks to save others, the death toll would have been very high. It's easy to criticise someone for doing something but the media doesn't bother to find out the reason why some people disobey the warnings given. Many occasions, the person disobeying the warning is in the process of going to assist someone that may well be in trouble. You cannot rely on the SES, rescue services whatever when an event like a major flood occurs. Look at Lismore. If not for the locals taking risks, it would have been carnage.
As for people staying to fight bush fires, good on them. This is all they have and they are prepared to defend their property. Countless homes and buildings were saved by people during the fires of a few years ago because of their determination and bravery. A town not far from me was told to evacuate but they stayed and saved most of it. There was no one else to do it.
Instead of dopes trying to work out what would be the best punishment, why not have a look behind the sensationalism and poor reporting and just see what the person was trying to achieve and what alternatives were available before calling them idiots.
Rant over.
Kebbin said
05:58 PM Jan 11, 2024
Most people under severe stress from safety concerns make bad decisions in those circumstances, not unlike some posters whose brain chemistry goes bonkers when reading such stories.
BarneyBDB said
07:45 PM Jan 11, 2024
How do we protect people from their own actions / inactions??
Tonights news in Adelaide the driver of a vehicle cleaned up by a train says the crossing needs flashing lights.
The crossing has a Stop sign.
If he had stopped and given way to the train his car would not have been written off and he would not have been injured.
smwhiskey said
07:55 PM Jan 11, 2024
BarneyBDB wrote:
How do we protect people from their own actions / inactions??
I think the problem is that the "powers that be" have been protecting people from their own stupidity for too long. People no longer have the knowledge, skills and experience to be able to perform an appropriate and complete risk assessment for any situation.=
BarneyBDB said
08:12 PM Jan 11, 2024
"The last 6 times I stopped at this Stop sign I did not see a train so in future I am going to ignore it".
Risk assessment done....
yobarr said
06:40 AM Jan 12, 2024
BarneyBDB wrote:
How do we protect people from their own actions / inactions??
Tonights news in Adelaide the driver of a vehicle cleaned up by a train says the crossing needs flashing lights.
The crossing has a Stop sign.
If he had stopped and given way to the train his car would not have been written off and he would not have been injured.
Similar situation to the case where a car was driven through a 'Stop' sign and into the side of a train, at night on a country road.
Three occupants died, but rather than accept the fact that the driver ignored two basic road rules, the sister of one of the deceased now is campaigning to have all trains fitted with side lights. Spare me!
As well as this being almost an impossibility, the simple facts are that a car was driven through a compulsory stop sign, and the driver was not driving in a way that would enable him to stop in half the clear distance ahead. (Or whatever the wording is).
Suck it up, and don't try to blame others for the driver's incompetence. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 12th of January 2024 11:42:14 AM
Whenarewethere said
07:57 AM Jan 12, 2024
Back in the 1980s we were looking for a camping spot around a lake very late at night on a moonless night. My car had great headlights.
It was a perfectly still night, I knew there was water somewhere. Drove in first gear as slow as I could. Also noticed the road now going a little bit down hill.
Suddenly I stopped because the light from the headlights didn't look quite right.
There was the lake, now a metre in front of the car. The water was so clear & not a ripple, the headlights simply lit up the road under the water.
It was an eye opener just how close we got to the water without seeing it. But we were driving so slowly we could stop before going in.
dorian said
08:12 AM Jan 12, 2024
I'd like to know the actual story behind a recent crash involving a road train and a goods train. Unfortunately, both train drivers were killed. The truck driver was apparently unhurt.
yobarr said
11:24 AM Jan 12, 2024
dorian wrote:
I'd like to know the actual story behind a recent crash involving a road train and a goods train. Unfortunately, both train drivers were killed. The truck driver was apparently unhurt.
Unless the truck was stalled on the railway, for some unknown reason, the only other explanation must be that the truck driver didn't obey whatever traffic control measures were in place?
Very sad when innocent people simply going about their business are needlessly killed.
yobarr said
11:42 AM Jan 12, 2024
BarneyBDB wrote:
"The last 6 times I stopped at this Stop sign I did not see a train so in future I am going to ignore it".
Risk assessment done....
Love it!
Whenarewethere said
12:39 PM Jan 12, 2024
yobarr wrote:
BarneyBDB wrote:
"The last 6 times I stopped at this Stop sign I did not see a train so in future I am going to ignore it".
Risk assessment done....
Love it!
I take it you are not going for 7 round hardware!
AndyCap100 said
01:24 PM Jan 12, 2024
Nearly 100%of the time `accident`s are actually `incidents` caused by an idiot not seeing or obeying the road rules .Its just natural selection at work .Yes its as bugger that a lot of innocent people get involved but thats the way it works unfortunately .You can never anticipate or understand the idiot . I allways drive EXPECTING` that someone will try to kill us .concentration 100% of the time .
Brought up in the UK and driving with that amount of traffic,plenty of 8 lane motorways(2 x 4 lanes) going 70+mph ,teaches you a thing or two about awareness all around you .
Rock on ,and stay safe people .
Andy .
Southern Cruizer said
03:27 PM Jan 12, 2024
yobarr wrote:
dorian wrote:
I'd like to know the actual story behind a recent crash involving a road train and a goods train. Unfortunately, both train drivers were killed. The truck driver was apparently unhurt.
Unless the truck was stalled on the railway, for some unknown reason, the only other explanation must be that the truck driver didn't obey whatever traffic control measures were in place?
Very sad when innocent people simply going about their business are needlessly killed.
Wasn't stalled on the line as far as I have read so far. Other truck drivers have stated that that particular crossing is supposedly on one of those big S bends. They seem to be suggesting that you can see for a long way both directions there but they are assuming going too fast to stop. As a couple suggested he could have gone straight ahead at the bend and possibly had a lot more time to pull up even if he run along side of the rail line and glanced off a couple of carriages, but we will possibly have to wait sometime before the Coroner's inquest tells us otherwise
Craig1 said
05:07 PM Jan 12, 2024
but we will possibly have to wait sometime before the Coroner's inquest tells us otherwise Wrote S C
About 4 years, far too long, all forgotten by most,so no lessons easily learnt.
DMaxer said
07:40 PM Jan 12, 2024
I read that the truck driver has been charged with several counts. The criminal proceedings will take place through a committal hearing first of all and if there is a case to answer then it proceeds to a different jurisdiction. The time taken for that will depend on whether it is defended or contested. I imagine about 18 months will elapse if it is contested.
After that procedure is finalised the coroner will then determine whether an inquest is required.
yobarr said
07:44 PM Jan 12, 2024
Southern Cruizer wrote:
yobarr wrote:
dorian wrote:
I'd like to know the actual story behind a recent crash involving a road train and a goods train. Unfortunately, both train drivers were killed. The truck driver was apparently unhurt.
Unless the truck was stalled on the railway, for some unknown reason, the only other explanation must be that the truck driver didn't obey whatever traffic control measures were in place?
Very sad when innocent people simply going about their business are needlessly killed.
Wasn't stalled on the line as far as I have read so far. Other truck drivers have stated that that particular crossing is supposedly on one of those big S bends. They seem to be suggesting that you can see for a long way both directions there but they are assuming going too fast to stop. As a couple suggested he could have gone straight ahead at the bend and possibly had a lot more time to pull up even if he run along side of the rail line and glanced off a couple of carriages, but we will possibly have to wait sometime before the Coroner's inquest tells us otherwise
These pictures may help us with understanding how the accident occurred. Can't see any flashing lights or even signs, although they may have been destroyed in crash. If you can't see a bloody train in broad daylight, surely there's something wrong. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 12th of January 2024 07:46:11 PM
Here we go again. Every time there is flooding people are told not to attempt to drive through it, yet we still have Richard Craniums who ignore the advice thus putting at risk the lives of those who have to rescue them and diverting resources from other areas. The words of the song "When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn" springs to mind. I venture to say never.
Someone once said that common sense ain't so common any more and isn't that a fact. If it was up to me I would be sorely tempted to leave the silly, (expletive deleted) sitting on the roof till the water receded.
For example ,headlines often read ,How to tidy your sock draw! Things you need to know about K marts latest hack ! What to do when tidying your garden. How to clean your toilet with coke!
All absolute drivel written by an idiot who can`t be arsed to find real news.
Latest i just read from the UK,is kids of school age going into class still in nappies .The parents ,???? couldn`t be bothered to teach them anything during the 2yr covid lockdown period .No skills to use utensils ,form a sentence etc etc .
What chance have kids got for the future , with idiot parents .
rant over .
Rock on people
Andy .NZ .
Which generation bore, raised, educated and let loose these so called idiots. Some one should be held responsible for allowing this to happen.
Perhaps they just appeared out of nowhere and did not inherit the fabulous genes of their Einsteinian parents and grandparents.
After all, we are all a bunch of geniuses, always have been.
You forgot to mention the endless articles that are titled along the lines of "If you're not doing it this way, you're doing it wrong"
I cannot see it getting any better as the Governments look for more ways to hand out tax payer money to the population to keep votes coming their way...the most ridiculous brain f**t was Qld's Education Minister calling for school hours to be reduced from 5 days to 4. It seems the little petals are being over worked having to attend school for 5 days a week between their several weeks of "holidays".
But the School Teachers would still be required to attend the schools for all 5 days to baby sit those kiddies whose parents were working are unable to stay home. Not that the kiddies would be at home anyway, more than likely running riot at shopping centres or skate board parks...
No they won't. Out of hours school care has been outsourced for years. Those organisations will just do the full day instead of before and after school hours.
Do you have a theory on how Chris Bowen came to be? a prime example of peak stupidity.
It did take a young person to marry up rescue boats with people sitting on roofs in Lismore, with a hastily made spreadsheet, adding & ticking off rescues in an efficient manner. Which the government on every level was incapable of organising.
So a few young people have skills. Unlike the rest who follow celebrities, sports people & influencers... whatever they all are (probably nature strip land mines as best as I can personally get my head around).
It is ridiculous just to select a few dead heads and then brand a whole generation of young people as following a similar course of behaviour.
When I was their age I did pretty stupid things and a few smart things as well. There are some very bright kids out there if people would stop criticising the obvious and look a bit harder.
I used to have final year students placed with me assisting in trial and legal research and they were just brilliant. I have friends in the medical profession who held the same view with the med students placed with them. Their knowledge would leave us for dead compared to what we knew at the same age.
The media love to select an idiot or two and parade them as an example of what the majority represents. I don't know who is the most cerebrally challenged, the clowns they parade of the dopes who read the articles.
As for the comment regarding Chris Bowen I don't have any theories nor do I consider him stupid. I am sure he speaks highly of you though Peter67. Care to remind us of your achievements in the academic world.
Perhaps those of you who love to criticise young people could take a wander down to your nearest university and just wander into the medical, legal, engineering, science, whatever faculty and give them a rundown on your own massive intellects. Let them know where they are letting down society and then demonstrate your own brilliance. I think it would result in more laughs than the end of year comedy revue.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Wednesday 10th of January 2024 01:03:10 PM
What a load of drivel.
How many times are people warned about driving into flooded roads, news report yesterday a person drove into a flooded road and the car was washed a local bloke went to the aid of the stricken vehicle with the aid of a ratchet strap he was able to secure the car until SES arrived. So what penalty should this brain dead victim pay my guess nothing, but it should be the entire cost of the SES team and the local hero efforts should be on the bill and a fine for being dip ****,
What about the stupid clown in Lismore who was advised to evacuate early in the day but didn't , eventually the family had to be evacuated from the house roof by SES rescue boats, brain dead Richard cranium, should have been fined and played the rescue costs.
Its not only floods but natural disasters like bush fires that have dead beats thinking they can beat a bush fire with a garden hose or they expect a fire truck to save the home happy for volunteer fire fighters to save them, as an ex firie it happens far to often.
Have to agree with DMaxer.
It's easy to cherry pick and find a few dead heads, the truth is, as much as we may hate to admit it, the world belongs to the young.
Some will excel, most will be mediocre/average, and some will be less than smart, it's the human condition.
None of these acts of stupidity like driving into flooded causeways or not evacuating after a fire warning have ever happened before this generation came on the scene. Is that right Gundog?
If you want drivel, look no further than the ignorant comments based on total stupidity that you post on a regular basis.
A lot of grey areas come up for me in these rescuse discussions. I have participated in a winch rescue of a Yachtie 85 NM off Mackay and heve helped a couple of Station owners off their roof in flood conditions where the nearest dry land was over 20K away.
Very well said. Couldn't agree more.
The media love to single out people who may have driven through a flooded causeway or stayed when told to evacuate when a fire storm is approaching.
I was in the Lismore area when the floods hit and if it was not for those brave people who took massive risks to save others, the death toll would have been very high. It's easy to criticise someone for doing something but the media doesn't bother to find out the reason why some people disobey the warnings given. Many occasions, the person disobeying the warning is in the process of going to assist someone that may well be in trouble. You cannot rely on the SES, rescue services whatever when an event like a major flood occurs. Look at Lismore. If not for the locals taking risks, it would have been carnage.
As for people staying to fight bush fires, good on them. This is all they have and they are prepared to defend their property. Countless homes and buildings were saved by people during the fires of a few years ago because of their determination and bravery. A town not far from me was told to evacuate but they stayed and saved most of it. There was no one else to do it.
Instead of dopes trying to work out what would be the best punishment, why not have a look behind the sensationalism and poor reporting and just see what the person was trying to achieve and what alternatives were available before calling them idiots.
Rant over.
Tonights news in Adelaide the driver of a vehicle cleaned up by a train says the crossing needs flashing lights.
The crossing has a Stop sign.
If he had stopped and given way to the train his car would not have been written off and he would not have been injured.
I think the problem is that the "powers that be" have been protecting people from their own stupidity for too long. People no longer have the knowledge, skills and experience to be able to perform an appropriate and complete risk assessment for any situation.=
Risk assessment done....
Similar situation to the case where a car was driven through a 'Stop' sign and into the side of a train, at night on a country road.
Three occupants died, but rather than accept the fact that the driver ignored two basic road rules, the sister of one of the deceased now is campaigning to have all trains fitted with side lights. Spare me!
As well as this being almost an impossibility, the simple facts are that a car was driven through a compulsory stop sign, and the driver was not driving in a way that would enable him to stop in half the clear distance ahead. (Or whatever the wording is).
Suck it up, and don't try to blame others for the driver's incompetence. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 12th of January 2024 11:42:14 AM
Back in the 1980s we were looking for a camping spot around a lake very late at night on a moonless night. My car had great headlights.
It was a perfectly still night, I knew there was water somewhere. Drove in first gear as slow as I could. Also noticed the road now going a little bit down hill.
Suddenly I stopped because the light from the headlights didn't look quite right.
There was the lake, now a metre in front of the car. The water was so clear & not a ripple, the headlights simply lit up the road under the water.
It was an eye opener just how close we got to the water without seeing it. But we were driving so slowly we could stop before going in.
Unless the truck was stalled on the railway, for some unknown reason, the only other explanation must be that the truck driver didn't obey whatever traffic control measures were in place?
Very sad when innocent people simply going about their business are needlessly killed.
Love it!
I take it you are not going for 7 round hardware!
Brought up in the UK and driving with that amount of traffic,plenty of 8 lane motorways(2 x 4 lanes) going 70+mph ,teaches you a thing or two about awareness all around you .
Rock on ,and stay safe people .
Andy .
Wasn't stalled on the line as far as I have read so far. Other truck drivers have stated that that particular crossing is supposedly on one of those big S bends. They seem to be suggesting that you can see for a long way both directions there but they are assuming going too fast to stop. As a couple suggested he could have gone straight ahead at the bend and possibly had a lot more time to pull up even if he run along side of the rail line and glanced off a couple of carriages, but we will possibly have to wait sometime before the Coroner's inquest tells us otherwise
About 4 years, far too long, all forgotten by most,so no lessons easily learnt.
These pictures may help us with understanding how the accident occurred. Can't see any flashing lights or even signs, although they may have been destroyed in crash. If you can't see a bloody train in broad daylight, surely there's something wrong. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 12th of January 2024 07:46:11 PM