AEMO does this every year, slow learners or what??
peter67 said
08:16 PM Dec 15, 2023
I see the Australian Energy Market Operator has been pleading for home owners across Sydney, to NOT turn on their air conditioners after arriving home from a sweltering day at work, and arriving to a sweltering home after work, and saying to themselves nah...don't need the air con. What planet are they on?
South Australia's power grid is most likely in a worse state, they had to cut 90,000 people off recently. Is this 1923 or 2023? Bring on gummint subsidies for more EV's and as the number of EV's rise public transport use is going to boom, provided the trains are back on diesel or steam and the uptake of EV buses has not arrived yet.
WHAT A JOKE :)
Hewy54 said
09:39 PM Dec 15, 2023
peter67 wrote:
I see the Australian Energy Market Operator has been pleading for home owners across Sydney, to NOT turn on their air conditioners after arriving home from a sweltering day at work, and arriving to a sweltering home after work, and saying to themselves nah...don't need the air con. What planet are they on?
South Australia's power grid is most likely in a worse state, they had to cut 90,000 people off recently. Is this 1923 or 2023? Bring on gummint subsidies for more EV's and as the number of EV's rise public transport use is going to boom, provided the trains are back on diesel or steam and the uptake of EV buses has not arrived yet.
WHAT A JOKE :)
Why did 90,000 people have to be cut off in SA recently?
Just looked it up. 74000 customers without power due to storm damage and a lightning strike on a substation.
-- Edited by Hewy54 on Friday 15th of December 2023 09:48:18 PM
Whenarewethere said
09:49 PM Dec 15, 2023
Because electricity generators had been withdrawing capacity from the market after AEMO imposed price caps.
Whenarewethere said
09:51 PM Dec 15, 2023
In 2007 I bought a $4,500 UPS with additional batteries as I was sick & tired of the rolling blackouts around Manly area.
Gundog said
09:18 AM Dec 16, 2023
peter67 wrote:
Bring on gummint subsidies for more EV's and as the number of EV's rise public transport use is going to boom, provided the trains are back on diesel or steam and the uptake of EV buses has not arrived yet.
WHAT A JOKE :)
Peter subsidies are not the answer, because eventually its Joe Blow that pays for it in increased taxes, ie solar and wind are the cheapest form of power, yeah right but the infrastructure, subsidies and gauranteed returns to investors is why power prices have gone up.
And yet we still need to build a new power distribution network to connect all the new proposed solar, wind, pumped hydro and batteries, with an estimated cost of one trillion dollars plus. Another bill for Joe Blow to pay.
Gee the tree huggers would chuck a hissy fit it trains went back to diesel or steam, all that fossil fuel being burnt.
EV's are not the answer for a vast country like Australia, maybe ok for city commuters.
peter67 said
10:21 AM Dec 16, 2023
Gidday Gundog. My tongue in cheek comment on gummint subs for EV's was a joke to point out the grids lack of transmission capacity, thereby driving us back to public transport. Maybe, like others, I miss the old steam trains a bit :)
Whenarewethere said
10:36 AM Dec 16, 2023
If you do the numbers, if every single vehicle in Australia was an EV the energy requirements are less than the Covid energy drop from 2019 to 2020.
We have the capacity now. So hardy difficult stuff including GDP, the easiest if all targets.
peter67 said
05:30 PM Dec 16, 2023
Thanks WAW, that's interesting. The numbers I've just looked up say that if Australia was currently using EV's exclusively we would need to instantly DOUBLE our grid supply. CSIRO states the average household daily use at 20KWH per day and the average power bill at $332.00 per billing period.
When in full use the eight charger EV station commissioned in 2017 by the South Australian gummint uses the same amount of electricity as 100 new homes every day.
Transgrid reports an EV charge of 6 to 8 KWH for a standard 40km trip, sounds expensive to me. I watch a comparison vid of a diesel 4x4 and an EV car on a trip from one end of England to the other, the cost of buying electrons far outstripped the price of diesel.
Theirs also the hassle of loading multiple apps on your phone for each different charging station supplier, and that's assuming you have mobile phone coverage at the charging location! have I got the wrong end of the stick here? cheers
Gundog said
05:24 AM Dec 17, 2023
Whenarewethere wrote:
If you do the numbers, if every single vehicle in Australia was an EV the energy requirements are less than the Covid energy drop from 2019 to 2020.
We have the capacity now. So hardy difficult stuff including GDP, the easiest if all targets.
Where did you acquire the data to make those assumptions.
The first hole in that theory is the transport and distribution would need to increase the rolling stock two, three or four fold to carry the volume of freight, because there is no EV truck that could replicate the load carrying ability of a B Double, Roadtrains that's another story. Work the magic numbers Volvo's FL Ev truck carries 16 t for 450k, that like turning the clock back to the 1950's old Leyland Boxer.
I suppose on on a four trailer stock Roadtrain the first trailer would have to be the battery I wonder how far that take a 100t truck before a recharge was needed and how long that would take to replenish?
Hitting the road said
08:10 AM Dec 17, 2023
I don't know where all this self harm is going to end. It has already been put out there by the Mining industry that there are not enough "precious" metals available in the ground to ever build the shear number of batteries required to go anywhere near meeting the lofty targets of EV production being set by the save the planet mob.
In this country apparently it is said that only up to 10% of the country's total emissions are produced by motor vehicles...so the reality is even if every new vehicle sold with massive tax payer funded subsidies of course, was electric and there was no fossil fuel powered cars left it really makes stuff all difference in the big picture. (that is 10% of the 1% this country allegedly contributes to world emissions)
The absurdity of this ridiculous push is seen now with diesel powered generators hooked up to EV stations in case the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow!
So we see Government policy sending families in to bankruptcy, standards of living going backwards, food and energy prices marching ever higher, destruction of jobs and the country's overall future, in pursuit of some utopian pipe dream that we can all live happily with 100% reliable electricity supply based on cloudless days and constant gentle breezes...seriously? No other country in the world has been near successful in achieving this pipe dream, yet this one seems to be dancing straight off a cliff face...
dogbox said
09:18 AM Dec 17, 2023
Hitting the road wrote:
I don't know where all this self harm is going to end. It has already been put out there by the Mining industry that there are not enough "precious" metals available in the ground to ever build the shear number of batteries required to go anywhere near meeting the lofty targets of EV production being set by the save the planet mob.
In this country apparently it is said that only up to 10% of the country's total emissions are produced by motor vehicles...so the reality is even if every new vehicle sold with massive tax payer funded subsidies of course, was electric and there was no fossil fuel powered cars left it really makes stuff all difference in the big picture. (that is 10% of the 1% this country allegedly contributes to world emissions)
The absurdity of this ridiculous push is seen now with diesel powered generators hooked up to EV stations in case the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow!
So we see Government policy sending families in to bankruptcy, standards of living going backwards, food and energy prices marching ever higher, destruction of jobs and the country's overall future, in pursuit of some utopian pipe dream that we can all live happily with 100% reliable electricity supply based on cloudless days and constant gentle breezes...seriously? No other country in the world has been near successful in achieving this pipe dream, yet this one seems to be dancing straight off a cliff face...
the people in power listens to the noisy minorities, when the silent majority wakes up an says "enough is enough " an realizes that all these good ideas are great in theory but not practical will it be to late? we may find ourselves left in the dark so to speak
Gundog said
09:58 AM Dec 17, 2023
dogbox wrote:
the people in power listens to the noisy minorities, when the silent majority wakes up an says "enough is enough " an realizes that all these good ideas are great in theory but not practical will it be to late? we may find ourselves left in the dark so to speak
Now we have the new King of Queensland who's only been in the job a couple of days looking to cut emissions by 75% by 2035, and he's been praised by that tosser of an ex VP of America.
Another drop kick running a state, heaven help us.
peter67 said
08:11 PM Dec 17, 2023
I'm as worried as you guys, who raise some important points, so, I've spent the day scouring the internet for someone with the nous to fix it. No wait.....
I see the Australian Energy Market Operator has been pleading for home owners across Sydney, to NOT turn on their air conditioners after arriving home from a sweltering day at work, and arriving to a sweltering home after work, and saying to themselves nah...don't need the air con. What planet are they on?
South Australia's power grid is most likely in a worse state, they had to cut 90,000 people off recently. Is this 1923 or 2023? Bring on gummint subsidies for more EV's and as the number of EV's rise public transport use is going to boom, provided the trains are back on diesel or steam and the uptake of EV buses has not arrived yet.
WHAT A JOKE :)
Why did 90,000 people have to be cut off in SA recently?
Just looked it up. 74000 customers without power due to storm damage and a lightning strike on a substation.
-- Edited by Hewy54 on Friday 15th of December 2023 09:48:18 PM
Because electricity generators had been withdrawing capacity from the market after AEMO imposed price caps.
In 2007 I bought a $4,500 UPS with additional batteries as I was sick & tired of the rolling blackouts around Manly area.
Peter subsidies are not the answer, because eventually its Joe Blow that pays for it in increased taxes, ie solar and wind are the cheapest form of power, yeah right but the infrastructure, subsidies and gauranteed returns to investors is why power prices have gone up.
And yet we still need to build a new power distribution network to connect all the new proposed solar, wind, pumped hydro and batteries, with an estimated cost of one trillion dollars plus. Another bill for Joe Blow to pay.
Gee the tree huggers would chuck a hissy fit it trains went back to diesel or steam, all that fossil fuel being burnt.
EV's are not the answer for a vast country like Australia, maybe ok for city commuters.
If you do the numbers, if every single vehicle in Australia was an EV the energy requirements are less than the Covid energy drop from 2019 to 2020.
We have the capacity now. So hardy difficult stuff including GDP, the easiest if all targets.
When in full use the eight charger EV station commissioned in 2017 by the South Australian gummint uses the same amount of electricity as 100 new homes every day.
Transgrid reports an EV charge of 6 to 8 KWH for a standard 40km trip, sounds expensive to me. I watch a comparison vid of a diesel 4x4 and an EV car on a trip from one end of England to the other, the cost of buying electrons far outstripped the price of diesel.
Theirs also the hassle of loading multiple apps on your phone for each different charging station supplier, and that's assuming you have mobile phone coverage at the charging location! have I got the wrong end of the stick here? cheers
Where did you acquire the data to make those assumptions.
The first hole in that theory is the transport and distribution would need to increase the rolling stock two, three or four fold to carry the volume of freight, because there is no EV truck that could replicate the load carrying ability of a B Double, Roadtrains that's another story. Work the magic numbers Volvo's FL Ev truck carries 16 t for 450k, that like turning the clock back to the 1950's old Leyland Boxer.
I suppose on on a four trailer stock Roadtrain the first trailer would have to be the battery I wonder how far that take a 100t truck before a recharge was needed and how long that would take to replenish?
In this country apparently it is said that only up to 10% of the country's total emissions are produced by motor vehicles...so the reality is even if every new vehicle sold with massive tax payer funded subsidies of course, was electric and there was no fossil fuel powered cars left it really makes stuff all difference in the big picture. (that is 10% of the 1% this country allegedly contributes to world emissions)
The absurdity of this ridiculous push is seen now with diesel powered generators hooked up to EV stations in case the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow!
So we see Government policy sending families in to bankruptcy, standards of living going backwards, food and energy prices marching ever higher, destruction of jobs and the country's overall future, in pursuit of some utopian pipe dream that we can all live happily with 100% reliable electricity supply based on cloudless days and constant gentle breezes...seriously? No other country in the world has been near successful in achieving this pipe dream, yet this one seems to be dancing straight off a cliff face...
the people in power listens to the noisy minorities, when the silent majority wakes up an says "enough is enough " an realizes that all these good ideas are great in theory but not practical will it be to late? we may find ourselves left in the dark so to speak
Now we have the new King of Queensland who's only been in the job a couple of days looking to cut emissions by 75% by 2035, and he's been praised by that tosser of an ex VP of America.
Another drop kick running a state, heaven help us.