On here Paul that would be impossible.
You only have to see, even in the Jokes section there has to be a debate.
Some can't help themselves
Aussie1 said
09:58 PM Aug 21, 2023
aussie_paul wrote:
Good point, perhaps you could send it to Vladimir Putin and the othe guy from the Ukraine. Love to have their input.
Basher said
08:25 AM Aug 22, 2023
Human beings
Basher
Cuppa said
09:30 AM Aug 22, 2023
Southern Cruizer wrote:
On here Paul that would be impossible. You only have to see, even in the Jokes section there has to be a debate. Some can't help themselves
Mostly 'debate' is about trying to introduce balance, which is then jumped upon by folk dismissive of any views but their own treating views different to their own as an invitation to battle. Generally speaking the fingers of blame (eg. "some can't help themselves") are pointed at attempts to introduce balance, viewing those attempts as those of stirring troublemakers. Rarely any consideration that a high proportion of threads here commence with unbalanced views being posted & that perhaps starting those threads is little more than an invitation to disagree. Often easy to ignore as the views of grumpy old right wing white males, but which now & then require reminders that their views are only acceptable to other grumpy old conservatives in addition to letting the many folk who read but don't contribute to the forum that it is not just a resting place for elderly & intolerant right wingers.
The forum would be so much better if everyone did try to just get along, but for that to happen requires respect for difference & an understanding that expressing a contrary view is not an attack, & does not require a personal attack in response.
Personal attacks not just on fellow forum members, but on any public figure the poster choosers are common here. Some clearly consider this acceptable. It might be the go in a schoolyard, but if folk want to get along with each other here then cutting out all personal attacks would be a good start.
Even this innocent post of Paul's here can become 'deniably weaponised'.
Whoever you are, take this post of Paul's at face value & apply it not to others, but to yourself.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Tuesday 22nd of August 2023 09:32:04 AM
Santa said
10:29 AM Aug 22, 2023
I've said this previously and my opinion hasn't changed.
I believe it's age related, most of us on this forum are into our senior years, have fixed idea's and strong opinions formed in the days when life was pretty black and white, and we're not afraid to voice those opinions.
Doing so puts us firmly in the category of (grumpy old men)
I'm a member of a number of other forums, populated by a mixed, but, predominately younger group, none of them are as argumentative or as touchy/brittle as The Grey Nomads.
If you don't enjoy conflict (and some of us do) I think the best thing to do is not engage, or simply back out of a thread when things become heated.
Aussie1 said
10:55 AM Aug 22, 2023
Santa wrote:
I've said this previously and my opinion hasn't changed.
If you don't enjoy conflict (and some of us do) I think the best thing to do is not engage, or simply back out of a thread when things become heated.
Damn good advice Santa, well put. Unfortunately some on here think they are the "controllers" of what should and should not be posted. I have noticed that those "wanna be controllers" are often guilty of exactly what they criticize others for .
Cuppa said
10:59 AM Aug 22, 2023
Aussie1 wrote:
Santa wrote:
I've said this previously and my opinion hasn't changed.
If you don't enjoy conflict (and some of us do) I think the best thing to do is not engage, or simply back out of a thread when things become heated.
Damn good advice Santa, well put. Unfortunately some on here think they are the "controllers" of what should and should not be posted. I have noticed that those "wanna be controllers" are often guilty of exactly what they criticize others for .
And some absolutely see only opportunity to have digs at others whether warranted or not.
Backing out now.
Aussie1 said
11:12 AM Aug 22, 2023
Cuppa wrote:
Backing out now.
At last, a good decision
Santa said
11:55 AM Aug 22, 2023
And, of course there are always them that must have the last word.
It's an interesting psychological phenomenon.
Ego and Power Dynamics: Needing the last word might stem from a desire to assert dominance or control in a conversation. People with strong egos might feel compelled to have the final say as a way of maintaining a sense of authority or superiority over others.
Aussie1 said
12:41 PM Aug 22, 2023
Santa wrote:
People with strong egos might feel compelled to have the final say as a way of maintaining a sense of authority or superiority over others.
Right again Santa. I'm clearly in that category. Only difference is I can laugh at myself (well sometimes) only so others don't do it for me
deverall11 said
03:06 PM Aug 22, 2023
Very simple. The inability for some to stop thinking and looking at life like dinosaurs. The reluctance to accept changes.
The list goes on. As an ex-software engineer, changes were happening almost on a daily basis. Fact.
We went from a computer along with the A/C occupying the size of a large lounge room down to the size of your
average smart phone. This is just the physical size, wait till you factor in the computing power. And then the advent
of the internet and every one wanting their mainframe application to run on their PCs.
So we had to accept changes and in hindsight all for the better.
So to all of you lot who consciously or otherwise refuse to accept changes is the basis as to why we
don't get along. Refusal that they are wrong, refusal to learn new things.
yobarr said
03:12 PM Aug 22, 2023
With most things in life there is room for opinion, but with weights there is not.
Your weights are either right, or they're wrong, but some appear not to understand that.
A Primative Psychology explanation for why we just cannot get along is simply competition for reources. The human Sociobiological clock was set about 6 Million years ago when small groups of the emergent species gaterhed in family/tribe groups and were in constant competion for food, proceration opportunities (women), and safety. Homo Sapiens were much better than Neanderthals at finding and gathering food, straling women (DNA diversity), and weaponary. This superiority led to the Neanderthals going extinct.
A quick think about why Queue Jumpers get nasty thoughts, and sometimes nasty words, directed at them in civilised societies goes all the way back to a fear of missing out indubed in the Human Psych so so many years ago.
Aussie1 said
04:22 PM Aug 22, 2023
Izabarack wrote:
The human Sociobiological clock was set about 6 Million years ago when small groups of the emergent species gaterhed in family/tribe groups and were in constant competion for food, proceration opportunities (women), and safety.
Geez, who was around that many years ago to record those "facts" Oh, hang on, probably "First Nations folks"
rmoor said
05:37 PM Aug 22, 2023
Aussie1 wrote:
Izabarack wrote:
The human Sociobiological clock was set about 6 Million years ago when small groups of the emergent species gaterhed in family/tribe groups and were in constant competion for food, proceration opportunities (women), and safety.
Geez, who was around that many years ago to record those "facts" Oh, hang on, probably "First Nations folks"
With all of the recent exposure we have been subjected to recently there is a lot of discussion and evidence of previous inhabitation coming to light. It appears that the First Nations may not in fact be wholly First Nations. Chinese travelers around 260 A.D. have recorded pygmy like people being speared and slaughtered by taller inhabitants. It appears there are Dutch and other explorers have made similar accounts on both the West Coast and East Coast of the "Great Southern Land". There also appears to have been evidence of a significant change around 3 to 4,000 years ago with the introduction of what are believed to be Indian "invaders" that had a significant alteration to the makeup and language of the place. There are reports that there have been many intrusions to our great country over time? So, it appears "First Nations" may well be "Many Nations" and questions as to who the first inhabitants really were and who were "invaders" and who were not? It looks like "we" were just the most recent invaders.
This is not my redneck, grumpy old man, right wing personal views but information released from the University of Adelaide. It may be difficult to go back 6 million years ago to determine who "owned" what land and who did what to whom, but there does seem to be more recent proof of habitation and DNA evidence. As far as I am concerned, I live here now, I was born here, I am a native of Australia and I look forward to not being concerned with any of this stuff and just go fishing and enjoy the brilliant Aussie bush that we are so lucky to have on our doorstep and be a part of, like every other man, woman and beast.
In conclusion, we all cannot get along now, Russia can't get along with the Ukraine, Israel cannot get along with Palestine and it appears around 3,000 years ago they didn't get along too well in the Great Southern Land either......
rmoor said
09:25 AM Aug 23, 2023
Interesting that you went down this path by starting this thread.
I spotted this on the news today.
Appears tribes STILL cannot get on with each other in these times so it is entirely feasible they slaughtered each other relentlessly in the past?
Hence some proof of possible extinction of races in my previous post that was gleaned from some recent articles on University of Adelaide findings.
Extract :
The lethal force directive comes as disturbing footage circulated on social media over the weekend, showing the bodies of three dead men, naked and tied up, being dragged behind a ute as onlooking villagers film and cheer in Enga province.
Enga provincial police commander, Acting Superintendent George Kakas, believes the video is authentic, and said the men were mercenaries hired by a rival tribe and were killed as they tried to carry out a dawn raid.
He estimates between 60 and 70 people have been killed in the past four weeks as fighting rages between 10 tribes.
dogbox said
10:49 AM Aug 23, 2023
where is ENGA PROVINCE
when on the subject of DNA it would appear from what i read that the aboriginals have some Indian heritage back in history and the Tories strait islanders a were of islander heritage so at some point in time we all migrated to this land from some where
rmoor said
11:15 AM Aug 23, 2023
Enga province Papua New Guinea.
Yes, I read this week of Indian heritage and DNA evidence of same.
It all makes sense that there were Papuan Tribes in Australia and evidence of warring between Pygmies and Indian descent invaders???
A mate told me many decades ago his father or grandfather found a primitive axehead in the mountain ranges near my home in Central West NSW.
He said when they had it looked at it came from a rare stone only found in Papua New Guinea.
So it must have traveled thousands of KM South and lay there for thousands of years or so.
So one wonders about all of these claims about indigenous history, it appears to have changed at various points in time and as recent as 3 to 4,000 years ago when the South East Asian Indians started to appear?
Oh well, when looking at future employment prospects as outlined in the lovely colour brochure I got this week, maybe there are a lot of employment opportunities in call centres selling solar panels and the like?
Gundog said
12:20 PM Aug 23, 2023
A good question, but in a lot of ways it's because of the enviroment you were raised in. Growing up in a small country town and joining the military had a lot to do with who I am and how I think.
As a young fella I suppose, I had a lot of common sense but not very street smart, but the city young fella's you encountered during recuit training were very street wise, but as dumb as dog s--t, lacking common sense, it became more apparant when at rifle range because loaded weapon was a scary object. The futher recuit training advanced these blokes change becoming comfortable in wide open spaces, us bushies reveled in it, but we learnt from them to become street wise when we weekend leave which was a relative forgien enviroment to us.
So I suppose my transformation from a very right wing perhaps redneck, to a right of center bloke, I still fail to understand how the left are so dogmatic, about things like the climate change, unions believing the BS from the media without questioning is right, the most recent example the lies we were feed about Covid, I drew flack from some here when I challenged what was being done, and I still maintain that much of Australia was shafted by the lies and restrictions that were no required.
rmoor said
01:19 PM Aug 23, 2023
Gundog wrote:
A good question, but in a lot of ways it's because of the enviroment you were raised in. Growing up in a small country town and joining the military had a lot to do with who I am and how I think.
As a young fella I suppose, I had a lot of common sense but not very street smart, but the city young fella's you encountered during recuit training were very street wise, but as dumb as dog s--t, lacking common sense, it became more apparant when at rifle range because loaded weapon was a scary object. The futher recuit training advanced these blokes change becoming comfortable in wide open spaces, us bushies reveled in it, but we learnt from them to become street wise when we weekend leave which was a relative forgien enviroment to us.
So I suppose my transformation from a very right wing perhaps redneck, to a right of center bloke, I still fail to understand how the left are so dogmatic, about things like the climate change, unions believing the BS from the media without questioning is right, the most recent example the lies we were feed about Covid, I drew flack from some here when I challenged what was being done, and I still maintain that much of Australia was shafted by the lies and restrictions that were no required.
What you have written could easily have come off my own keyboard.
Never in the forces apart from a short contract in Canberra with 7 others on a Defence Dept activity based cost saving activity under Senator John Moore reign (that was an eye-opener) I spent some time in the "cadets" at school. The Lee Enfield rifle was taller than me!!!
We used to have to take the rifle home with us the night before then bring it back to school next day, I had to drag it up the hill to school, it was heavy. Imagine that happening in this day and age!!! I can recall dismantling and putting back together a bren gun. When I look back on cadet bivowacs and camps I am astounded no-one ever was bitten by a brown snake, crawling and sneaking through long grass etc.
I am with you on the practicality of a bush upbringing. Spent 7 years in Sydney playing sport and found that a real eye opener and being a bush bunny had it's challenges but also some advantages as you mentioned.
Spot on with far right wing, I too have moved centre right but absolutely astounded at the rigid no holds barred one-eyed left wing commie beliefs. They are rare where I am fortunately but they mass in the cities and band together to try and force their dialogue on us all. It is actually getting worse I think. I am trying to ignore it but the propaganda from the ABC and other media is disturbing. In a location with about a 40% indigenous population and so many good friends from that sphere of life I reckon I have a fairly solid handle on what goes on and having observed the sad and tough issues for so many decades feel I can speak on the matter with some degree of humble authority. Can even recall playing touch footy against a shy skinny decent kid called Warren Mundine. I have questioned lately all of this propaganda and advertising thrown at us and much more to come, do a lot of these people even know an indigenous person personally???? Or just the ones they see on TV and travel shows.
You only have to see, even in the Jokes section there has to be a debate.
Some can't help themselves
Good point, perhaps you could send it to Vladimir Putin and the othe guy from the Ukraine. Love to have their input.
Basher
Mostly 'debate' is about trying to introduce balance, which is then jumped upon by folk dismissive of any views but their own treating views different to their own as an invitation to battle. Generally speaking the fingers of blame (eg. "some can't help themselves") are pointed at attempts to introduce balance, viewing those attempts as those of stirring troublemakers. Rarely any consideration that a high proportion of threads here commence with unbalanced views being posted & that perhaps starting those threads is little more than an invitation to disagree. Often easy to ignore as the views of grumpy old right wing white males, but which now & then require reminders that their views are only acceptable to other grumpy old conservatives in addition to letting the many folk who read but don't contribute to the forum that it is not just a resting place for elderly & intolerant right wingers.
The forum would be so much better if everyone did try to just get along, but for that to happen requires respect for difference & an understanding that expressing a contrary view is not an attack, & does not require a personal attack in response.
Personal attacks not just on fellow forum members, but on any public figure the poster choosers are common here. Some clearly consider this acceptable. It might be the go in a schoolyard, but if folk want to get along with each other here then cutting out all personal attacks would be a good start.
Even this innocent post of Paul's here can become 'deniably weaponised'.
Whoever you are, take this post of Paul's at face value & apply it not to others, but to yourself.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Tuesday 22nd of August 2023 09:32:04 AM
I've said this previously and my opinion hasn't changed.
I believe it's age related, most of us on this forum are into our senior years, have fixed idea's and strong opinions formed in the days when life was pretty black and white, and we're not afraid to voice those opinions.
Doing so puts us firmly in the category of (grumpy old men)
I'm a member of a number of other forums, populated by a mixed, but, predominately younger group, none of them are as argumentative or as touchy/brittle as The Grey Nomads.
If you don't enjoy conflict (and some of us do) I think the best thing to do is not engage, or simply back out of a thread when things become heated.
Damn good advice Santa, well put. Unfortunately some on here think they are the "controllers" of what should and should not be posted. I have noticed that those "wanna be controllers" are often guilty of exactly what they criticize others for
.
And some absolutely see only opportunity to have digs at others whether warranted or not.
Backing out now.
At last, a good decision
And, of course there are always them that must have the last word.
It's an interesting psychological phenomenon.
Ego and Power Dynamics: Needing the last word might stem from a desire to assert dominance or control in a conversation. People with strong egos might feel compelled to have the final say as a way of maintaining a sense of authority or superiority over others.
Right again Santa. I'm clearly in that category.
Only difference is I can laugh at myself (well sometimes) only so others don't do it for me 
The list goes on. As an ex-software engineer, changes were happening almost on a daily basis. Fact.
We went from a computer along with the A/C occupying the size of a large lounge room down to the size of your
average smart phone. This is just the physical size, wait till you factor in the computing power. And then the advent
of the internet and every one wanting their mainframe application to run on their PCs.
So we had to accept changes and in hindsight all for the better.
So to all of you lot who consciously or otherwise refuse to accept changes is the basis as to why we
don't get along. Refusal that they are wrong, refusal to learn new things.
With most things in life there is room for opinion, but with weights there is not.
Your weights are either right, or they're wrong, but some appear not to understand that.
Here is an example of no room for opinion. Cheers
A quick think about why Queue Jumpers get nasty thoughts, and sometimes nasty words, directed at them in civilised societies goes all the way back to a fear of missing out indubed in the Human Psych so so many years ago.
Geez, who was around that many years ago to record those "facts"
Oh, hang on, probably "First Nations folks" 
With all of the recent exposure we have been subjected to recently there is a lot of discussion and evidence of previous inhabitation coming to light. It appears that the First Nations may not in fact be wholly First Nations. Chinese travelers around 260 A.D. have recorded pygmy like people being speared and slaughtered by taller inhabitants. It appears there are Dutch and other explorers have made similar accounts on both the West Coast and East Coast of the "Great Southern Land". There also appears to have been evidence of a significant change around 3 to 4,000 years ago with the introduction of what are believed to be Indian "invaders" that had a significant alteration to the makeup and language of the place. There are reports that there have been many intrusions to our great country over time? So, it appears "First Nations" may well be "Many Nations" and questions as to who the first inhabitants really were and who were "invaders" and who were not? It looks like "we" were just the most recent invaders.
This is not my redneck, grumpy old man, right wing personal views but information released from the University of Adelaide. It may be difficult to go back 6 million years ago to determine who "owned" what land and who did what to whom, but there does seem to be more recent proof of habitation and DNA evidence. As far as I am concerned, I live here now, I was born here, I am a native of Australia and I look forward to not being concerned with any of this stuff and just go fishing and enjoy the brilliant Aussie bush that we are so lucky to have on our doorstep and be a part of, like every other man, woman and beast.
In conclusion, we all cannot get along now, Russia can't get along with the Ukraine, Israel cannot get along with Palestine and it appears around 3,000 years ago they didn't get along too well in the Great Southern Land either......
I spotted this on the news today.
Appears tribes STILL cannot get on with each other in these times so it is entirely feasible they slaughtered each other relentlessly in the past?
Hence some proof of possible extinction of races in my previous post that was gleaned from some recent articles on University of Adelaide findings.
Extract :
The lethal force directive comes as disturbing footage circulated on social media over the weekend, showing the bodies of three dead men, naked and tied up, being dragged behind a ute as onlooking villagers film and cheer in Enga province.
Enga provincial police commander, Acting Superintendent George Kakas, believes the video is authentic, and said the men were mercenaries hired by a rival tribe and were killed as they tried to carry out a dawn raid.
He estimates between 60 and 70 people have been killed in the past four weeks as fighting rages between 10 tribes.
when on the subject of DNA it would appear from what i read that the aboriginals have some Indian heritage back in history and the Tories strait islanders a were of islander heritage so at some point in time we all migrated to this land from some where
Yes, I read this week of Indian heritage and DNA evidence of same.
It all makes sense that there were Papuan Tribes in Australia and evidence of warring between Pygmies and Indian descent invaders???
A mate told me many decades ago his father or grandfather found a primitive axehead in the mountain ranges near my home in Central West NSW.
He said when they had it looked at it came from a rare stone only found in Papua New Guinea.
So it must have traveled thousands of KM South and lay there for thousands of years or so.
So one wonders about all of these claims about indigenous history, it appears to have changed at various points in time and as recent as 3 to 4,000 years ago when the South East Asian Indians started to appear?
Oh well, when looking at future employment prospects as outlined in the lovely colour brochure I got this week, maybe there are a lot of employment opportunities in call centres selling solar panels and the like?
A good question, but in a lot of ways it's because of the enviroment you were raised in. Growing up in a small country town and joining the military had a lot to do with who I am and how I think.
As a young fella I suppose, I had a lot of common sense but not very street smart, but the city young fella's you encountered during recuit training were very street wise, but as dumb as dog s--t, lacking common sense, it became more apparant when at rifle range because loaded weapon was a scary object. The futher recuit training advanced these blokes change becoming comfortable in wide open spaces, us bushies reveled in it, but we learnt from them to become street wise when we weekend leave which was a relative forgien enviroment to us.
So I suppose my transformation from a very right wing perhaps redneck, to a right of center bloke, I still fail to understand how the left are so dogmatic, about things like the climate change, unions believing the BS from the media without questioning is right, the most recent example the lies we were feed about Covid, I drew flack from some here when I challenged what was being done, and I still maintain that much of Australia was shafted by the lies and restrictions that were no required.
What you have written could easily have come off my own keyboard.
Never in the forces apart from a short contract in Canberra with 7 others on a Defence Dept activity based cost saving activity under Senator John Moore reign (that was an eye-opener) I spent some time in the "cadets" at school. The Lee Enfield rifle was taller than me!!!
We used to have to take the rifle home with us the night before then bring it back to school next day, I had to drag it up the hill to school, it was heavy. Imagine that happening in this day and age!!! I can recall dismantling and putting back together a bren gun. When I look back on cadet bivowacs and camps I am astounded no-one ever was bitten by a brown snake, crawling and sneaking through long grass etc.
I am with you on the practicality of a bush upbringing. Spent 7 years in Sydney playing sport and found that a real eye opener and being a bush bunny had it's challenges but also some advantages as you mentioned.
Spot on with far right wing, I too have moved centre right but absolutely astounded at the rigid no holds barred one-eyed left wing commie beliefs. They are rare where I am fortunately but they mass in the cities and band together to try and force their dialogue on us all. It is actually getting worse I think. I am trying to ignore it but the propaganda from the ABC and other media is disturbing. In a location with about a 40% indigenous population and so many good friends from that sphere of life I reckon I have a fairly solid handle on what goes on and having observed the sad and tough issues for so many decades feel I can speak on the matter with some degree of humble authority. Can even recall playing touch footy against a shy skinny decent kid called Warren Mundine. I have questioned lately all of this propaganda and advertising thrown at us and much more to come, do a lot of these people even know an indigenous person personally???? Or just the ones they see on TV and travel shows.