OK, this sounds really good. I'll make a new target of world peace by 2024. Think it will work?
Possum3 said
08:36 AM Jul 24, 2023
Bureaucratic BS - Target should be Zero, anything above that, is stupid.
yobarr said
08:58 AM Jul 24, 2023
Possum3 wrote:
Bureaucratic BS - Target should be Zero, anything above that, is stupid.
Yeah, pointless exercise. IF the EVs get a foothold in Australia I predict an increase in the road toll. They apparently accelerate rapidly, are silent (?) so pedestrians will be caught by surprise, and urban speed limits will be reduced, maybe to the ridiculously low levels that they now are in Auckland, NZ. No Cheers Here.
Craig1 said
10:07 AM Jul 24, 2023
Also a report this morning on A M Radio, " we do not collate road accident statistics across Australia in a uniform or timely amnner, or sometimes not at all ".
So no way for EXSPURTS to see how much bad roads, bad weather, or sheer stupidity contributes. Bloody Governmnts/Politicians again.
dogbox said
10:14 AM Jul 24, 2023
it was not that long ago the road toll was counted at over 1000 per year, automobiles have increased in numbers but with added safety features, seat belts now compulsory, baby seats/capsules compulsory, improvements in roads, plenty of drug and alcohol testing but still can't eliminate human/mechanical error yet.
will the self driving cars get us to zero?
tap in destination push go!
deverall11 said
10:51 AM Jul 24, 2023
Incredible we make so much noise about road death but not a whisper when (ABC Stats) 2030 people
took their own life because of an unpopular and illegal government policy.
Guess there's more money to be made.
dogbox said
11:33 AM Jul 24, 2023
deverall11 wrote:
Incredible we make so much noise about road death but not a whisper when (ABC Stats) 2030 people
took their own life because of an unpopular and illegal government policy.
Guess there's more money to be made.
where did that number come from (2030) never heard that many before? even one would be to many
deverall11 said
01:22 PM Jul 24, 2023
dogbox wrote:
deverall11 wrote:
Incredible we make so much noise about road death but not a whisper when (ABC Stats) 2030 people
took their own life because of an unpopular and illegal government policy.
Guess there's more money to be made.
where did that number come from (2030) never heard that many before? even one would be to many
ABC Stats along with 500,000 people affected before they pulled the pin.
-- Edited by deverall11 on Monday 24th of July 2023 01:24:08 PM
some what misleading as it doesn't specify cause of death . no doubt some may have been self inflicted as a result of the robo debt fiasco did see a couple stories of suicides as a result of robo debt on the TV an would think there are others we have not heard about.
Are We Lost said
03:09 PM Jul 24, 2023
What the?
Deverall1, that title really fits your post. Please show where it says the deaths can be attributed to Robodebt notices, or even correlated. They are not suicides, in fact no details on cause of death are noted. And how about this snippet from that article:
"This was more than ten times lower than the overall death rate for all of the department's customers during the same period, which was 3.64 per cent".
In fact, 2030 deaths (from all causes) out of 900,000 notices sent out is 0.23% (article says 0.21%), which is one sixteenth the overall death rate for the department's customers. In that 28 month period how many were old age related, road deaths, etc? A far greater percentage of road deaths are in the younger age group. Perhaps that explains it. The article specifically says such detailes are not known.
ABC does it again with inuendo but zero useful facts.
Perhaps you could use the statistics to show that receiving a robodebt letter improved chances of living by a factor of sixteen.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Monday 24th of July 2023 03:10:56 PM
Gundog said
03:35 PM Jul 24, 2023
So much abuse was heaped on the previous government, even though they do sholder the ultimate responsibility. They we lied to by senior public servents about the legality of robodebt and other critical infomation, The first head to roll was the new head AUKUS who was on $900,000, and was the previous head of centerlink during robodebt has been stoodown without pay.
Its funny but the origional planners of Robodebt were ministers in the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd era, but that information has gone to ground.
dogbox said
05:55 PM Jul 24, 2023
we were solving the problem of a rising road toll, then it got sidelined to robo debt an a bit of illegal government activity now we are being told that the government that got the blame, it was not even their idea!
we should go back to the problem of solving the road toll before this thread gets the chop
msg said
08:10 PM Jul 24, 2023
I wasn't even trying to solve the road toll. I was commenting on the media sensationalism. and how ridiculous their headline was.
Sarco Harris said
09:39 PM Jul 24, 2023
A target of zero for road deaths Australia wide is a delusion!
No amount of legislation, enforcement, road improvements, vehicle safety innovations etc. would ever be able to reach zero road deaths.
You cannot reduce the amount of "stupid" in the community.
Even more so with the moronic push to legalise drugs. eg. "medicinal cannabis"
Whenarewethere said
10:09 PM Jul 24, 2023
Maybe get rid of cars & people walk everywhere.
Across rail lines, off cliffs, through floods, in extreme temperatures, overloaded stress deaths, die of heath issues etc.
"The National Road Safety Strategy, passed in February, set out a series of targets to address injuries and deaths on roads, including improving regional and remote road safety, improving the adoption of new vehicle safety technology, and eliminating road deaths in city centres."
A target of zero for road deaths Australia wide is a delusion!
No amount of legislation, enforcement, road improvements, vehicle safety innovations etc. would ever be able to reach zero road deaths.
You cannot reduce the amount of "stupid" in the community.
Even more so with the moronic push to legalise drugs. eg. "medicinal cannabis"
at some point in the not to distant future cars will be able to operate without any human interaction except to enter a destination.
we may not even own cars within cities in the near future it will be just input your required vehicle an one shows up as requested like a taxi without a driver, just think how much most people use their vehicles comparted to how long they sit idle if a hire car runs 23 hours a day they could be recycled every 12 -24 months no old cars minimal breakdowns/mechanical faults, human error (the amount of stupid) is minimized
yobarr said
02:48 PM Jul 25, 2023
dogbox wrote:
Sarco Harris wrote:
A target of zero for road deaths Australia wide is a delusion!
No amount of legislation, enforcement, road improvements, vehicle safety innovations etc. would ever be able to reach zero road deaths.
You cannot reduce the amount of "stupid" in the community.
Even more so with the moronic push to legalise drugs. eg. "medicinal cannabis"
at some point in the not to distant future cars will be able to operate without any human interaction except to enter a destination.
we may not even own cars within cities in the near future it will be just input your required vehicle an one shows up as requested like a taxi without a driver, just think how much most people use their vehicles comparted to how long they sit idle if a hire car runs 23 hours a day they could be recycled every 12 -24 months no old cars minimal breakdowns/mechanical faults, human error (the amount of stupid) is minimized
we need accidents ! we need something to cull the population and what will the hoons do when the can't terrorize the hyways and byways
smwhiskey said
09:34 AM Jul 26, 2023
dogbox wrote:
what will the hoons do when the can't terrorize the hyways and byways
If history is any indication, they'll terrorise the suburbian back streets. We have one such hero around the corner from us. Given the number of black stripes on the road, they must spend a fortune on tires.
dogbox said
10:45 AM Jul 26, 2023
smwhiskey wrote:
dogbox wrote:
what will the hoons do when the can't terrorize the hyways and byways
If history is any indication, they'll terrorise the suburbian back streets. We have one such hero around the corner from us. Given the number of black stripes on the road, they must spend a fortune on tires.
usually not their tires
if cars of the future are all driven by computers (AI) the hoons will be out of business, all vehicles speed limited to posted speed limits unless they can hack into the computers and override them and i'm sure that will have some form of safeguard
peter67 said
11:15 AM Jul 26, 2023
Dogbox, do you mean safegaurds such as the ATO put on MYGOV accounts? it's been hacked using information from optus and medibank data breaches and is a huge criminal enterprise that's so far netted the thieves 577 million but that figure will increase with the next report.
Driverless cars will fix nothing where human input is required. There is already a looming legal minefield re driverless cars killing pedestrians, who's at fault?
yobarr said
12:34 PM Jul 26, 2023
peter67 wrote:
Dogbox, do you mean safegaurds such as the ATO put on MYGOV accounts? it's been hacked using information from optus and medibank data breaches and is a huge criminal enterprise that's so far netted the thieves 577 million but that figure will increase with the next report.
Driverless cars will fix nothing where human input is required. There is already a looming legal minefield re driverless cars killing pedestrians, who's at fault?
Couldn't possibly be the pedestrian, as they seem to be a protected species, wandering alll around the place with wires hanging out of their ears, staring at their iPhones etc, apparently oblivious to all around them. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 26th of July 2023 12:38:15 PM
Dogbox, do you mean safegaurds such as the ATO put on MYGOV accounts? it's been hacked using information from optus and medibank data breaches and is a huge criminal enterprise that's so far netted the thieves 577 million but that figure will increase with the next report.
Driverless cars will fix nothing where human input is required. There is already a looming legal minefield re driverless cars killing pedestrians, who's at fault?
the technology is there to limit speed on our roads i have seen warehouses that can control the speed of fork lifts in restricted/high risk areas as soon as a forklift enters a specified area the speed is reduced by some unseen computer, the fork lifts are operated by a chipped card that identifies the operator tracks the forklift by gps. some have even gone as far as to eliminate the forklift operator and one console operator programs numerous machines to do many tasks . at some point this technology may become part of our domestic transport needs. might be a bit hard to picture back in the 50/60's that it by the 2000's most of us would be walking around with a computer more complex than the ones they used to put a man on the moon in our pockets, remember DICK TRACY and his futuristic wrist radio
Whenarewethere said
02:08 PM Jul 26, 2023
We have in Manly CBD (Sydney) 30kph for a few years now. You still see cars who drive over a footpath misjudging a turn into a side street & pedestrians still oblivious to cars.
"Australia's road deaths rise despite safety targets"
Headline on Nine MSN.
The media is out of control.
When were issues ever solved by new targets?
OK, this sounds really good. I'll make a new target of world peace by 2024. Think it will work?
Yeah, pointless exercise. IF the EVs get a foothold in Australia I predict an increase in the road toll. They apparently accelerate rapidly, are silent (?) so pedestrians will be caught by surprise, and urban speed limits will be reduced, maybe to the ridiculously low levels that they now are in Auckland, NZ. No Cheers Here.
So no way for EXSPURTS to see how much bad roads, bad weather, or sheer stupidity contributes. Bloody Governmnts/Politicians again.
will the self driving cars get us to zero?
tap in destination push go!
took their own life because of an unpopular and illegal government policy.
Guess there's more money to be made.
where did that number come from (2030) never heard that many before? even one would be to many
ABC Stats along with 500,000 people affected before they pulled the pin.
https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/2030-people-have-died-after-receiving-centrelink-robodebt-notice/10821272
-- Edited by deverall11 on Monday 24th of July 2023 01:24:08 PM
some what misleading as it doesn't specify cause of death . no doubt some may have been self inflicted as a result of the robo debt fiasco did see a couple stories of suicides as a result of robo debt on the TV an would think there are others we have not heard about.
What the?
Deverall1, that title really fits your post. Please show where it says the deaths can be attributed to Robodebt notices, or even correlated. They are not suicides, in fact no details on cause of death are noted. And how about this snippet from that article:
"This was more than ten times lower than the overall death rate for all of the department's customers during the same period, which was 3.64 per cent".
In fact, 2030 deaths (from all causes) out of 900,000 notices sent out is 0.23% (article says 0.21%), which is one sixteenth the overall death rate for the department's customers. In that 28 month period how many were old age related, road deaths, etc? A far greater percentage of road deaths are in the younger age group. Perhaps that explains it. The article specifically says such detailes are not known.
ABC does it again with inuendo but zero useful facts.
Perhaps you could use the statistics to show that receiving a robodebt letter improved chances of living by a factor of sixteen.
-- Edited by Are We Lost on Monday 24th of July 2023 03:10:56 PM
So much abuse was heaped on the previous government, even though they do sholder the ultimate responsibility. They we lied to by senior public servents about the legality of robodebt and other critical infomation, The first head to roll was the new head AUKUS who was on $900,000, and was the previous head of centerlink during robodebt has been stoodown without pay.
Its funny but the origional planners of Robodebt were ministers in the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd era, but that information has gone to ground.
we should go back to the problem of solving the road toll before this thread gets the chop
No amount of legislation, enforcement, road improvements, vehicle safety innovations etc. would ever be able to reach zero road deaths.
You cannot reduce the amount of "stupid" in the community.
Even more so with the moronic push to legalise drugs. eg. "medicinal cannabis"
Maybe get rid of cars & people walk everywhere.
Across rail lines, off cliffs, through floods, in extreme temperatures, overloaded stress deaths, die of heath issues etc.
A hundred fold increase in footpath fatalities!
Australia's road deaths rise despite safety targets:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australias-road-deaths-rise-despite-safety-targets/ar-AA1eebLG
"The National Road Safety Strategy, passed in February, set out a series of targets to address injuries and deaths on roads, including improving regional and remote road safety, improving the adoption of new vehicle safety technology, and eliminating road deaths in city centres."
National Road Safety Strategy:
https://www.roadsafety.gov.au/
"Around 1,200 people are killed each year on Australias roads and about 40,000 are seriously injured. Even one death on our roads is one too many.
Australia is working towards the goal of zero deaths and serious injuries on our roads by 2050 (Vision Zero)."
National Road Safety Strategy 2021-30:
https://www.roadsafety.gov.au/nrss
https://www.roadsafety.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/National-Road-Safety-Strategy-2021-30.pdf
at some point in the not to distant future cars will be able to operate without any human interaction except to enter a destination.
we may not even own cars within cities in the near future it will be just input your required vehicle an one shows up as requested like a taxi without a driver,
just think how much most people use their vehicles comparted to how long they sit idle if a hire car runs 23 hours a day they could be recycled every 12 -24 months no old cars minimal breakdowns/mechanical faults, human error (the amount of stupid) is minimized
But what about the accidents? We need accidents!
If history is any indication, they'll terrorise the suburbian back streets. We have one such hero around the corner from us. Given the number of black stripes on the road, they must spend a fortune on tires.
usually not their tires
if cars of the future are all driven by computers (AI) the hoons will be out of business, all vehicles speed limited to posted speed limits unless they can hack into the computers and override them and i'm sure that will have some form of safeguard
Driverless cars will fix nothing where human input is required. There is already a looming legal minefield re driverless cars killing pedestrians, who's at fault?
Couldn't possibly be the pedestrian, as they seem to be a protected species, wandering alll around the place with wires hanging out of their ears, staring at their iPhones etc, apparently oblivious to all around them. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 26th of July 2023 12:38:15 PM
the technology is there to limit speed on our roads i have seen warehouses that can control the speed of fork lifts in restricted/high risk areas as soon as a forklift enters a specified area the speed is reduced by some unseen computer, the fork lifts are operated by a chipped card that identifies the operator tracks the forklift by gps. some have even gone as far as to eliminate the forklift operator and one console operator programs numerous machines to do many tasks . at some point this technology may become part of our domestic transport needs. might be a bit hard to picture back in the 50/60's that it by the 2000's most of us would be walking around with a computer more complex than the ones they used to put a man on the moon in our pockets, remember DICK TRACY and his futuristic wrist radio
We have in Manly CBD (Sydney) 30kph for a few years now. You still see cars who drive over a footpath misjudging a turn into a side street & pedestrians still oblivious to cars.