Blind Freddy knows that there is not an EV that can cut the mustard, to suit a multi tasking the varied landscape in Australia, or roles of use.
The biggest hurdle of acceptance of EV's is and towing ability, even if you purchased a Ford F150 Lightning (EV) Towing a 2.5 tonne Caravan you would be looking and a recharge every 120km and thats the 2wd version, the 4wd with bigger battery reduces the towing capacity.
We hear all the stories about 4wd EV's are comming but they are city slicker show ponies, and the footy mums love there 200 series, why they look good, feel safer.
Put me on the spot, if I was buying a new vehicle today it would proberly be a Ford F250 or RAM 2500 in Diesel.
yobarr said
05:21 PM Jul 15, 2023
Gundog wrote:
Blind Freddy knows that there is not an EV that can cut the mustard, to suit a multi tasking the varied landscape in Australia, or roles of use.
The biggest hurdle of acceptance of EVs is towing ability, even if you purchased a Ford F150 Lightning (EV) Towing a 2.5 tonne Caravan you would be looking and a recharge every 120km and thats the 2wd version, the 4wd with bigger battery reduces the towing capacity.
We hear all the stories about 4wd EVs are coming but they are city slicker show ponies, and the footy mums love their 200 series, why they look good, feel safer.
Put me on the spot, if I was buying a new vehicle today it would proberly be a Ford F250 or RAM 2500 in Diesel.
Those highlighted home truths certainly will likely rock the boat Graham.
Like the 200, these vehicles may well suit all the posers as they drop Algernon to choir practice, or Gertrude to ballet lessons.
Heavy duty tow vehicles? Nah, sorry.
As you suggest, Ford 250 or RAM 2500 are two of the few vehicles capable of safely towing big weights. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Saturday 15th of July 2023 06:24:38 PM
In my opinion, no. A more correct article would be that Australians are sticking with their large cars because there are no viable alternatives in the market to replace them.
Seems to me that the current climate "debate" is very much a narrow minded, one track demand from the environmental side to shut down the polluters but without having the forethought of having viable alternatives to replace them.
Shutting down the coal driven power stations is a perfect example. Yes we can (and should) shut them down and stop the pollution but we don't have viable alternative energy sources to replace what is lost nor do we have a plan in place to produce those alternatives. In a society that is demanding more and more electricity (e.g. to charge EVs), shutting down polluting power stations and not replacing the lost electricity production is sheer madness. Its pretty useless to have an wonderful zero emmissions EV if you can't charge it.
In my opinion, no. A more correct article would be that Australians are sticking with their large cars because there are no viable alternatives in the market to replace them.
Seems to me that the current climate "debate" is very much a narrow minded, one track demand from the environmental side to shut down the polluters but without having the forethought of having viable alternatives to replace them.
Shutting down the coal driven power stations is a perfect example. Yes we can (and should) shut them down and stop the pollution but we dont have viable alternative energy sources to replace what is lost nor do we have a plan in place to produce those alternatives. In a society that is demanding more and more electricity (e.g. to charge EVs), shutting down polluting power stations and not replacing the lost electricity production is sheer madness. Its pretty useless to have an wonderful zero emmissions EV if you can't charge it.
Simon
Great post Simon, but probably too many inconvenient truths for the sheep to digest. Shutting down our handful of power stations while exporting millions of tons of coal to China, which is building 2 new coal fired power stations EVERY WEEK. Derrrrr. Perhaps coal burned in China doesnt pollute? Far too much thinking involved. Baaaaaaa Humbug! No Cheers here.
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 17th of July 2023 09:25:45 PM
smwhiskey said
09:47 AM Jul 18, 2023
yobarr wrote:
Great post Simon, but probably too many inconvenient truths for the sheep to digest. Shutting down our handful of power stations while exporting millions of tons of coal to China, which is building 2 new coal fired power stations EVERY WEEK. Derrrrr. Perhaps coal burned in China doesnt pollute? Far too much thinking involved. Baaaaaaa Humbug! No Cheers here.
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 17th of July 2023 09:25:45 PM
We were talking about Australia but don't worry, the same people trying very hard to leave us in the dark are also trying their best to shut down the mines...ironically including those that produce resources as Copper and Lithium which will be required to produce the EVs they are so proactively promoting and the batteries that need to store the energy to keep our energy hungry world turning.
Its very obvious that right here and right now there are no viable clean alternatives for producing enough electricity. Current Solar and Wind technologies have some serious technical limitations and anybody suggesting nuclear is a clean option needs to have a good long hard look at whats about to happen in the Pacific ocean as Japan releases 1.3 Million tonnes of contaminated radioactive water into the Pacific over the next 30-40 years.
China has taken a somewhat understandable approach of not destroying their economy (and by extension Australias) by shutting down coal powered electricity generation till there are alternative viable energy generation systems.
Just looking at the Falcon XA. It looks like a big car but I was surprised how small it was.
Sedan:
Length 4737mm
Width 1900mm
Height 1369mm
Leyland P76:
Length 4878 mm
Width 1910 mm
Height 1374 mm
Craig1 said
05:47 PM Jul 18, 2023
Length 4,689 mm (184.6 in)
Width 1,869 mm (73.6 in)
Height 1,417 mm (55.8 in)
Curb weight 1,362 kg (3,002.7 lb)
These are the XY, last produced 1971, so an XA looked Much Bigger, also inside with that huge dash.
Possum3 said
06:21 PM Jul 18, 2023
Loved my old P76 - Bullet on wheels. Had to sell it as the wife was unable to take off without wheel spinning.
Whenarewethere said
07:45 PM Jul 18, 2023
Also how light weight the cars were back then.
Southern Cruizer said
08:02 PM Jul 18, 2023
Possum3 wrote:
Loved my old P76 - Bullet on wheels. Had to sell it as the wife was unable to take off without wheel spinning.
Ad the old man's AP6 Valiant could go pretty well also. Left a bit of rubber behind in my day
msg said
10:15 AM Jul 19, 2023
In my opinion, the article was an attempt to prove how detrimental ICE vehicles are and therefore a good reason to get rid of them.
Back years ago, I would hazard a guess that there was a larger number of big SUV's and muscle cars... um maybe more than these days in spite of populaion growth? I feel there has been a proliferation of little town cars in recent years.
Worry is those born lately, will take this as true and thus form a basis for their opinion and the required action on the ICE vehicles.
Biased reporting at its best.
The ABC needs to balance their reporting rather than push a politically correct position. (or what they think is)
dorian said
11:25 AM Jul 19, 2023
Toyota has promised an EV revolution, but experts have reservations:
Car giant Toyota claims it has discovered a "technological breakthrough" that will allow its electric vehicles to travel more than twice as far as current models.
As part of its claims, Toyota said advances in aerodynamics, design and battery technology would allow its EVs to cruise 1,200km on one charge, and recharge in 10 minutes or less.
Earmarking a 2027-28 commercial rollout, the company claims future research could push the cruising range up even further -- to 1,500km on a single charge.
msg said
11:49 AM Jul 19, 2023
I'd like to see them get that far with a 4 or 5 tonne Motorhome. Once again they are looking at those light little town cars.
smwhiskey said
01:29 PM Jul 19, 2023
dorian wrote:
Toyota has promised an EV revolution, but experts have reservations:
Sounds like the R&D Lab results produced under ideal conditions have been hijacked by the maketing department and extropolated to produce some real world numbers out of nothing
Cuppa said
02:40 PM Jul 19, 2023
msg wrote:
I feel there has been a proliferation of little town cars in recent years.
I have taken note of the proportion of small & large cars in Ballarat recently since this thread began, particularly as we are thinking about buying a small runabout for local use, & have been surprised at finding a clearly higher proportion of smaller cars. This contrasts significantly to what we have experienced in remote & rural areas over the past few years.
What saddens me is that so many different brands & models all look so alike. I understand that a certain shape is more aerodynamic but one has to look for a manufacturers badge to know what it is you're looking at much of the time.
yobarr said
04:54 PM Jul 19, 2023
msg wrote:
In my opinion, the article was an attempt to prove how detrimental ICE vehicles are and therefore a good reason to get rid of them.
Back years ago, I would hazard a guess that there was a larger number of big SUV's and muscle cars... um maybe more than these days in spite of populaion growth? I feel there has been a proliferation of little town cars in recent years.
Worry is those born lately, will take this as true and thus form a basis for their opinion and the required action on the ICE vehicles.
Biased reporting at its best.
The ABC needs to balance their reporting rather than push a politically correct position. (or what they think is)
Only those of a certain political persuasion, or those who have little choice, would listen to and believe any of the one-sided rubbish sprouted on ABC. Sad. NO Cheers here.
Australias love of big cars is undoing the benefits of the shift to EVs - ABC News
Is this true?
Blind Freddy knows that there is not an EV that can cut the mustard, to suit a multi tasking the varied landscape in Australia, or roles of use.
The biggest hurdle of acceptance of EV's is and towing ability, even if you purchased a Ford F150 Lightning (EV) Towing a 2.5 tonne Caravan you would be looking and a recharge every 120km and thats the 2wd version, the 4wd with bigger battery reduces the towing capacity.
We hear all the stories about 4wd EV's are comming but they are city slicker show ponies, and the footy mums love there 200 series, why they look good, feel safer.
Put me on the spot, if I was buying a new vehicle today it would proberly be a Ford F250 or RAM 2500 in Diesel.
Those highlighted home truths certainly will likely rock the boat Graham.
Like the 200, these vehicles may well suit all the posers as they drop Algernon to choir practice, or Gertrude to ballet lessons.
Heavy duty tow vehicles? Nah, sorry.
As you suggest, Ford 250 or RAM 2500 are two of the few vehicles capable of safely towing big weights. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Saturday 15th of July 2023 06:24:38 PM
In my opinion, no. A more correct article would be that Australians are sticking with their large cars because there are no viable alternatives in the market to replace them.
Seems to me that the current climate "debate" is very much a narrow minded, one track demand from the environmental side to shut down the polluters but without having the forethought of having viable alternatives to replace them.
Shutting down the coal driven power stations is a perfect example. Yes we can (and should) shut them down and stop the pollution but we don't have viable alternative energy sources to replace what is lost nor do we have a plan in place to produce those alternatives. In a society that is demanding more and more electricity (e.g. to charge EVs), shutting down polluting power stations and not replacing the lost electricity production is sheer madness. Its pretty useless to have an wonderful zero emmissions EV if you can't charge it.
Simon
Great post Simon, but probably too many inconvenient truths for the sheep to digest.
Shutting down our handful of power stations while exporting millions of tons of coal to China, which is building 2 new coal fired power stations EVERY WEEK. Derrrrr. Perhaps coal burned in China doesnt pollute?
Far too much thinking involved. Baaaaaaa Humbug! No Cheers here.
-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 17th of July 2023 09:25:45 PM
We were talking about Australia but don't worry, the same people trying very hard to leave us in the dark are also trying their best to shut down the mines...ironically including those that produce resources as Copper and Lithium which will be required to produce the EVs they are so proactively promoting and the batteries that need to store the energy to keep our energy hungry world turning.
Its very obvious that right here and right now there are no viable clean alternatives for producing enough electricity. Current Solar and Wind technologies have some serious technical limitations and anybody suggesting nuclear is a clean option needs to have a good long hard look at whats about to happen in the Pacific ocean as Japan releases 1.3 Million tonnes of contaminated radioactive water into the Pacific over the next 30-40 years.
China has taken a somewhat understandable approach of not destroying their economy (and by extension Australias) by shutting down coal powered electricity generation till there are alternative viable energy generation systems.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-16/living-in-the-70s-vintage-car-exhibition-gippsland/102603894
Powered by big engines for the day
-- Edited by Craig1 on Tuesday 18th of July 2023 01:50:18 PM
Just looking at the Falcon XA. It looks like a big car but I was surprised how small it was.
Sedan:
Length 4737mm
Width 1900mm
Height 1369mm
Leyland P76:
Length 4878 mm
Width 1910 mm
Height 1374 mm
Width 1,869 mm (73.6 in)
Height 1,417 mm (55.8 in)
Curb weight 1,362 kg (3,002.7 lb)
These are the XY, last produced 1971, so an XA looked Much Bigger, also inside with that huge dash.
Also how light weight the cars were back then.
Ad the old man's AP6 Valiant could go pretty well also. Left a bit of rubber behind in my day
Back years ago, I would hazard a guess that there was a larger number of big SUV's and muscle cars... um maybe more than these days in spite of populaion growth? I feel there has been a proliferation of little town cars in recent years.
Worry is those born lately, will take this as true and thus form a basis for their opinion and the required action on the ICE vehicles.
Biased reporting at its best.
The ABC needs to balance their reporting rather than push a politically correct position. (or what they think is)
www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-14/toyota-ev-solid-state-battery-explainer/102584144
Car giant Toyota claims it has discovered a "technological breakthrough" that will allow its electric vehicles to travel more than twice as far as current models.
As part of its claims, Toyota said advances in aerodynamics, design and battery technology would allow its EVs to cruise 1,200km on one charge, and recharge in 10 minutes or less.
Earmarking a 2027-28 commercial rollout, the company claims future research could push the cruising range up even further -- to 1,500km on a single charge.
Sounds like the R&D Lab results produced under ideal conditions have been hijacked by the maketing department and extropolated to produce some real world numbers out of nothing
I have taken note of the proportion of small & large cars in Ballarat recently since this thread began, particularly as we are thinking about buying a small runabout for local use, & have been surprised at finding a clearly higher proportion of smaller cars. This contrasts significantly to what we have experienced in remote & rural areas over the past few years.
What saddens me is that so many different brands & models all look so alike. I understand that a certain shape is more aerodynamic but one has to look for a manufacturers badge to know what it is you're looking at much of the time.
Only those of a certain political persuasion, or those who have little choice, would listen to and believe any of the one-sided rubbish sprouted on ABC. Sad. NO Cheers here.