According to a secret Toyota dealer memo, Toyotas new 300 series 3.3ltr diesel drinks oil like a sailor on shore leave. 1.7ltrs in less time than the standard service schedule allows, service it every three months perhaps...I can see another DPF comedy ( funny only because I don't own one ) coming.
Whenarewethere said
12:37 PM Apr 27, 2023
Only every had petrol cars. The last couple of cars never had to add any oil, previously next to nothing. Also don't have to add AdBlue.
deverall11 said
02:57 PM Apr 27, 2023
They had a similar problem with the first versions of the VDJ200. Without LCOOL hard to verify but from
memory had to do with a vacuum pump.
On a different car VT Commodore with the Gen II engine which came from the US Corvette, this engine
also had an oil drinking problem. 2.5 litres out of a 5 litre sump capacity in 2500km. At first they pointed
the finger at soft rings. The reasoning being that rings with less friction would reduce fuel consumption.
When I eventually took the car in to have the issue rectified at 40k km, they also replaced the pistons.
Very surprising that Toyota would suffer similar issues to the VDJ200.
Cannot wait to hear what the fix is.
PeterInSa said
05:35 PM Apr 27, 2023
Re (300 series 3.3ltr diesel drinks oil like a sailor on shore leave)
So a good reason to fit a Catch Can??? Would this avoid Warranty. ( Not that I will be buying one)
deverall11 said
07:23 PM Apr 27, 2023
Catch cab may not be the solution. Need to know where this oil is going.
If bypassing the rings, catch can won't help.
If to do with crankcase pressure catch can may catch the oil but you
still have an oil consumption issue.
Bow said
09:42 AM Apr 28, 2023
deverall11 wrote:
They had a similar problem with the first versions of the VDJ200. Without LCOOL hard to verify but from memory had to do with a vacuum pump. On a different car VT Commodore with the Gen II engine which came from the US Corvette, this engine also had an oil drinking problem. 2.5 litres out of a 5 litre sump capacity in 2500km. At first they pointed the finger at soft rings. The reasoning being that rings with less friction would reduce fuel consumption. When I eventually took the car in to have the issue rectified at 40k km, they also replaced the pistons. Very surprising that Toyota would suffer similar issues to the VDJ200. Cannot wait to hear what the fix is.
Toyota had to replace the pistons in my 200 series,oil consumption problem.
Cuppa said
11:42 AM Apr 28, 2023
My old clunker NISSAN Patrol '06 4.2 with almost 250k on the clock uses no oil at all between changes.
Just thought I throw that in for the Toyota owners.
(That said I have grown to like Landcruisers, there are things which I think they do better than the Patrol having used several during our couple of years up here on the Cape. 75 & 79 series).
-- Edited by Cuppa on Friday 28th of April 2023 05:03:57 PM
yobarr said
08:20 PM Apr 28, 2023
Cuppa wrote:
My old clunkerf NISSAN Patrol '06 4.2 with almost 250k on the clock uses no oil at all between changes.
Just thought I throw that in for the Toyota owners.
(That said I have grown to like Landcruisers, there are things which I think they do better than the Patrol having used several during our couple of years up here on the Cape. 75 & 79 series).
Great choice Cuppa. While I soon rejected Nissans when I was looking for a car to safely tow my 3500kg van, I must say that the model you have is indesputably the best Patrol ever built, with the 4.2 litre engine almost impossible to kill. Cheers
shakey55 said
07:44 AM Apr 29, 2023
Yes a great vehicle Cuppa, I have the 2005 4.2 STS with 270k on clock.
In the past six months I have been approached by strangers asking if I wanted to sell it.
I see there is one for sale for $80,000, which is considerably more, nearly double what I paid back in 2008.
While I soon rejected Nissans when I was looking for a car to safely tow my 3500kg van, I must say that the model you have is indisputably the best Patrol ever built, with the 4.2 litre engine almost impossible to kill. Cheers
I would have agreed with you until I recently purchased my Series 5, Y62 Patrol - Loved my old 6 pot oil burner BUT it couldn't compete with the new Patrols, size yes a little chubby but once you get used to it, just more comfortable. And, it is more economical to drive than any Land Cruiser.
I was initially disappointed when Nissan refused to import Deisel powered Patrols, but the raw power of these things is positively pure grunt.
deverall11 said
09:39 AM Apr 29, 2023
Possum3 wrote:
... And, it is more economical to drive than any Land Cruiser.
....
As well when towing a 2.5t+ caravan? Just curious. I do know that a lot of technological advancement
have been made regarding fuel efficiency and power. No comparison with carbureted engine. Especially
when you have the ability to change engine mapping, albeit only available on motorcycles as far as I know.
Maybe some high end/high performance european cars.
Petrol powered Land Cruisers are almost on par with diesel when not towing.
From comments/reports on LCOOL, one chap reported 44/100 owing with a petrol LandCruiser.
Possum3 said
09:54 AM Apr 29, 2023
Patrol definitely more economical than diesel (Towing 3+ tonne).
yobarr said
09:56 AM Apr 29, 2023
Possum3 wrote:
yobarr wrote:
While I soon rejected Nissans when I was looking for a car to safely tow my 3500kg van, I must say that the model you have is indisputably the best Patrol ever built, with the 4.2 litre engine almost impossible to kill. Cheers
I would have agreed with you until I recently purchased my Series 5 Y62 Patrol - Loved my old 6 pot oil burner BUT it couldn't compete with the new Patrols, size yes a little chubby but once you get used to it, just more comfortable. And, it is more economical to drive than any Land Cruiser.
I was initially disappointed when Nissan refused to import Deisel powered Patrols, but the raw power of these things is positively pure grunt.
The Y62 Patrol is an absolutely fantastic wagon, super comfortable with abundant power, and the ONLY Patrol that can tow 3500kg.
Friend bought one 4 years ago for $70k (Don't ask me to explain) and I was sorely tempted to also get one but I spend much time in the bush, on dirt roade and narrowish tracks, so I knew that I'd soon have it looking very 2nd hand, and I declined the offer. Maybe when/if I ever give up the nomadic lifestyle which is unlikely now that I've sold my houses. Cheers
That video makes me even more certain of my vehicle choice.
Companies should be prosecuted by ACCC for selling vehicles with known design faults.
Kebbin said
12:14 PM May 1, 2023
Bow I notice that your avatar has a striking similarity to Cadogan's face and as he spreads fertilizer for a living it's most appropriate. He is always talking with his wallet. He did have an affiliation with Mazda in 2016 when I was looking to buy a new Ford Ranger XLT, he and his team were offering to better anyone's prices on new vehicles
I wanted the Ford his team only wanted to supply a Mazda, in the end I told them to give me a quote on the Ford, the quote was $5,000 dearer than my own negotiations and the car was in Dubbo. So he just bags anything that his brokerage doesn't supply.
Craig1 said
02:27 PM May 1, 2023
"Bow I notice that your avatar has a striking similarity to Cadogan's face " wrote Kebbin
It is called " Zachery Disease " mate. Face is exachery same as " ............."
According to a secret Toyota dealer memo, Toyotas new 300 series 3.3ltr diesel drinks oil like a sailor on shore leave. 1.7ltrs in less time than the standard service schedule allows, service it every three months perhaps...I can see another DPF comedy ( funny only because I don't own one ) coming.
Only every had petrol cars. The last couple of cars never had to add any oil, previously next to nothing. Also don't have to add AdBlue.
memory had to do with a vacuum pump.
On a different car VT Commodore with the Gen II engine which came from the US Corvette, this engine
also had an oil drinking problem. 2.5 litres out of a 5 litre sump capacity in 2500km. At first they pointed
the finger at soft rings. The reasoning being that rings with less friction would reduce fuel consumption.
When I eventually took the car in to have the issue rectified at 40k km, they also replaced the pistons.
Very surprising that Toyota would suffer similar issues to the VDJ200.
Cannot wait to hear what the fix is.
So a good reason to fit a Catch Can??? Would this avoid Warranty. ( Not that I will be buying one)
If bypassing the rings, catch can won't help.
If to do with crankcase pressure catch can may catch the oil but you
still have an oil consumption issue.
Toyota had to replace the pistons in my 200 series,oil consumption problem.
My old clunker NISSAN Patrol '06 4.2 with almost 250k on the clock uses no oil at all between changes.
Just thought I throw that in for the Toyota owners.
(That said I have grown to like Landcruisers, there are things which I think they do better than the Patrol having used several during our couple of years up here on the Cape. 75 & 79 series).
-- Edited by Cuppa on Friday 28th of April 2023 05:03:57 PM
Great choice Cuppa. While I soon rejected Nissans when I was looking for a car to safely tow my 3500kg van, I must say that the model you have is indesputably the best Patrol ever built, with the 4.2 litre engine almost impossible to kill. Cheers
Yes a great vehicle Cuppa, I have the 2005 4.2 STS with 270k on clock.
In the past six months I have been approached by strangers asking if I wanted to sell it.
I see there is one for sale for $80,000, which is considerably more, nearly double what I paid back in 2008.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2005-nissan-patrol-st-s-gu-iv-manual-4x4-my05/SSE-AD-14541730
And several others ranging from $36k to $56k
I would have agreed with you until I recently purchased my Series 5, Y62 Patrol - Loved my old 6 pot oil burner BUT it couldn't compete with the new Patrols, size yes a little chubby but once you get used to it, just more comfortable. And, it is more economical to drive than any Land Cruiser.
I was initially disappointed when Nissan refused to import Deisel powered Patrols, but the raw power of these things is positively pure grunt.
As well when towing a 2.5t+ caravan? Just curious. I do know that a lot of technological advancement
have been made regarding fuel efficiency and power. No comparison with carbureted engine. Especially
when you have the ability to change engine mapping, albeit only available on motorcycles as far as I know.
Maybe some high end/high performance european cars.
Petrol powered Land Cruisers are almost on par with diesel when not towing.
From comments/reports on LCOOL, one chap reported 44/100 owing with a petrol LandCruiser.
The Y62 Patrol is an absolutely fantastic wagon, super comfortable with abundant power, and the ONLY Patrol that can tow 3500kg.
Friend bought one 4 years ago for $70k (Don't ask me to explain) and I was sorely tempted to also get one but I spend much time in the bush, on dirt roade and narrowish tracks, so I knew that I'd soon have it looking very 2nd hand, and I declined the offer. Maybe when/if I ever give up the nomadic lifestyle which is unlikely now that I've sold my houses. Cheers
Companies should be prosecuted by ACCC for selling vehicles with known design faults.
I wanted the Ford his team only wanted to supply a Mazda, in the end I told them to give me a quote on the Ford, the quote was $5,000 dearer than my own negotiations and the car was in Dubbo. So he just bags anything that his brokerage doesn't supply.
"Bow I notice that your avatar has a striking similarity to Cadogan's face " wrote Kebbin
It is called " Zachery Disease " mate. Face is exachery same as " ............."