An AFL ticket terms and conditions for entry, 6. not to: (a) wear or otherwise display commercial, political, religious or offensive signage or logos of any kind;
one would suggest that this a broad defination..... could almost refuse entry for almost any logo on clothing.
An AFL ticket terms and conditions for entry, 6. not to: (a) wear or otherwise display commercial, political, religious or offensive signage or logos of any kind;
one would suggest that this a broad defination..... could almost refuse entry for almost any logo on clothing.
"AFL is woke or just Stupid"? Seems about right. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 22nd of March 2023 01:45:17 PM
Craig1 said
02:38 PM Mar 22, 2023
But its ok to have the rainbow flag. --- And fly it at Vic State Parliament
Plain Truth said
03:02 PM Mar 22, 2023
If Harry Sheezal is a true Jewish believer, he would not be playing on the Sabbath.
Cuppa said
03:32 PM Mar 22, 2023
I am not a supporter of Israel & the position they take against the Palestinians, but I am not not anti Jew.
I see no difference between football fans flying a Israeli flag in support of one of their team's new player, any more than I would an Aboriginal flag, a Scottish flag, a Palestinian flag or indeed a rainbow flag. I think the issue here is a poor understanding of the issues by the AFL.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Thursday 23rd of March 2023 09:02:00 AM
Gundog said
03:34 PM Mar 22, 2023
Plain Truth wrote:
If Harry Sheezal is a true Jewish believer, he would not be playing on the Sabbath.
Thats a bit silly, you can be catholic and eat meat on fridays and good friday and not fish, this is not about Harry its about showing support for a young Jewish man playing football for the Kangaroos
Plain Truth said
04:03 PM Mar 22, 2023
Gundog wrote:
Plain Truth wrote:
If Harry Sheezal is a true Jewish believer, he would not be playing on the Sabbath.
Thats a bit silly, you can be catholic and eat meat on fridays and good friday and not fish, this is not about Harry its about showing support for a young Jewish man playing football for the Kangaroos
The only one being silly is you. Exodus 20:8-12
Possum3 said
07:10 AM Mar 23, 2023
Exodus 20:8-12
8 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
12 Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
Dougwe said
09:22 AM Mar 23, 2023
"AFL is woke or just stupid"
No no no. AFL stands for 'Australian Football League'. It's just a game of footy. Nothing more nothing less
Cuppa said
09:51 AM Mar 23, 2023
Whether (or how) Harry Sheezel practices the Jewish religion or not is his business, & his alone. Any questioning of his religiosity is quite inappropriate in the circumstances.
Basically if he was born into a Jewish family then he is Jewish regardless of whether he practices his religion or not.
The argument about whether or not an Israeli flag should have been used by a young boy to show support for a fellow Jew has absolutely nothing to do with how Harry Sheezel should or should not practice his nominal religion, in fact it has nothing to do with religion at all.
It has to do with someone supporting one of their own.
The only anti flag waving argument which has any potential validity is one along the lines of of Israel not being recognised as a country, with the right to have it's own flag. But here in Australia & across most of the non Arab world Israel is recognised as a state with it's own flag, making it as legitimate for the young supporter to wave as any other recognised flag.
I would understand the Israeli flag being seen as inappropriate on the grounds of it being seen by Palestinians as the flag of an occupying force, but I would still support their right for the flag to be waved, just as I would for supporters of a Ukranian or Russian player to fly their flags. That said, if flag flying is considered likely to provoke partisan violence, then I consider it reasonable on the grounds of public safety to proscribe the flying of flags when circumstances dictate. That was not the case at the footy with this Israeli flag.
Really the issue (in this thread) highlights the linking between the Jewish religion & a Jewish state, in that all Israelis are Jewish, but not all Jews are Israeli, but do (if I have this correct) have a right to become Israeli.
Biblical quotations in the context of this thread have only served to show a poor understanding of what it is to be Jewish. Quotations from the Quran would be similarly inappropriate if a new young player were Muslim & a Palestinian Flag were waved.
As I said earlier in the thread "I think the issue here is a poor understanding of the issues by the AFL". ...... something I suspect the AFL itself recognises & is thus choosing a 'blanket' approach in place of a more necessarily complex 'understanding' approach.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Thursday 23rd of March 2023 10:38:48 AM
deverall11 said
11:08 AM Mar 23, 2023
IMHO, the real stupidity is AFL having a different 'Off Field' time of 12 days,
NRL is 11 days for the same concussion event. Must be that AFL guys have
a softer head then NRL. Who knows?
Cuppa said
11:15 AM Mar 23, 2023
Gundog wrote:
An AFL ticket terms and conditions for entry, 6. not to: (a) wear or otherwise display commercial, political, religious or offensive signage or logos of any kind;
one would suggest that this a broad defination..... could almost refuse entry for almost any logo on clothing.
Including the wearing of team colours & logos. It cannot be argued that they are not commercial! Ha ha.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Thursday 23rd of March 2023 11:17:54 AM
Cuppa said
11:23 AM Mar 23, 2023
deverall11 wrote:
IMHO, the real stupidity is AFL having a different 'Off Field' time of 12 days,
NRL is 11 days for the same concussion event. Must be that AFL guys have
a softer head then NRL. Who knows?
Who is to know? perhaps it is the NRL who are stupid.
Then again perhaps they are each simply following medical advice.
yobarr said
11:23 AM Mar 23, 2023
deverall11 wrote:
IMHO, the real stupidity is AFL having a different 'Off Field' time of 12 days,
NRL is 11 days for the same concussion event. Must be that AFL guys have
a softer head then NRL. Who knows?
That'd be right. "Just stupid". Not tough enough to play real football. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 23rd of March 2023 11:24:48 AM
Aussie1 said
04:55 PM Mar 23, 2023
The way the AFL is going with legal actions pending over past head injuries it won't belong before they introduce "crash helmets and padded bra's". like our American cousins have in their funny game :)
Izabarack said
05:02 PM Mar 23, 2023
Possum3 wrote:
Exodus 20:8-12
10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God.....
, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Did they have 7 day weeks back when someone came up with the Exodus story? The Julian calandar came in about 45 BC and the Gregorian calandar was installed in 1582. Those calandars are now something like 14 days out of sync. in the Gregorian calendar, Sunday is considered the first day of the week. If the AFL wants to go Woke, maybe they should think about whay day to hold matches on.
Aussie1 said
05:29 PM Mar 23, 2023
Izabarack wrote:
Possum3 wrote:
Exodus 20:8-12
10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God.....
, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Did they have 7 day weeks back when someone came up with the Exodus story? The Julian calandar came in about 45 BC and the Gregorian calandar was installed in 1582. Those calandars are now something like 14 days out of sync. in the Gregorian calendar, Sunday is considered the first day of the week. If the AFL wants to go Woke, maybe they should think about whay day to hold matches on.
Nothing as humorous as one quoting from "fairy tales'
An AFL ticket terms and conditions for entry, 6. not to: (a) wear or otherwise display commercial, political, religious or offensive signage or logos of any kind;
one would suggest that this a broad defination..... could almost refuse entry for almost any logo on clothing.
Then we have this one !
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/afl-flag-north-melbourne-harry-sheezel-round-one/u8nc1sogrzsisoubmdxj8vyf?fbclid=IwAR0jw1ghJL2UOsuZ5kDZQezJsgsziDuRjfBJYo7xgv4LdV0KW8NQ3BBwZkY
But its ok to have the rainbow flag.
"AFL is woke or just Stupid"? Seems about right. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 22nd of March 2023 01:45:17 PM
If Harry Sheezal is a true Jewish believer, he would not be playing on the Sabbath.
I am not a supporter of Israel & the position they take against the Palestinians, but I am not not anti Jew.
I see no difference between football fans flying a Israeli flag in support of one of their team's new player, any more than I would an Aboriginal flag, a Scottish flag, a Palestinian flag or indeed a rainbow flag. I think the issue here is a poor understanding of the issues by the AFL.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Thursday 23rd of March 2023 09:02:00 AM
Thats a bit silly, you can be catholic and eat meat on fridays and good friday and not fish, this is not about Harry its about showing support for a young Jewish man playing football for the Kangaroos
The only one being silly is you. Exodus 20:8-12
8 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
12 Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
"AFL is woke or just stupid"
No no no. AFL stands for 'Australian Football League'. It's just a game of footy. Nothing more nothing less
-- Edited by Cuppa on Thursday 23rd of March 2023 10:38:48 AM
IMHO, the real stupidity is AFL having a different 'Off Field' time of 12 days,
NRL is 11 days for the same concussion event. Must be that AFL guys have
a softer head then NRL. Who knows?
-- Edited by Cuppa on Thursday 23rd of March 2023 11:17:54 AM
Who is to know? perhaps it is the NRL who are stupid.
Then again perhaps they are each simply following medical advice.
That'd be right. "Just stupid". Not tough enough to play real football. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 23rd of March 2023 11:24:48 AM
Did they have 7 day weeks back when someone came up with the Exodus story? The Julian calandar came in about 45 BC and the Gregorian calandar was installed in 1582. Those calandars are now something like 14 days out of sync. in the Gregorian calendar, Sunday is considered the first day of the week. If the AFL wants to go Woke, maybe they should think about whay day to hold matches on.
Nothing as humorous as one quoting from "fairy tales'