While the EU's 2035 ban on the sale of new ICE vehicles has grabbed the headlines (which has been temporarily put on hold following objections by Germany), less reported is the implementation of Euro-7 fuel standard which comes into effect in 2025.
Car manufacturers claim that it will not be economically viable to modify low-margin vehicles and low-volume vehicles to meet the new fuel standard.
It is reported that some vehicles will cease to be produced including; Hyundai I20, I30 and Kona, Ford Focus and Fiesta, Mitsubishi Mirage, Renault Megane, Toyota GR86 and Nissan Z.
Meanwhile, Australia continues to use the Euro-5 fuel standard.
Greg 1 said
02:36 PM Mar 5, 2023
Are you referring to the fuel standard or the emissions standard?
Australian is currently using Euro 5 emissions standard which is different to the fuel standards.
Europe is currently on Euro 6 emissions so I would think what is being discussed is the emissions standard which would make sense in terms of getting some ICE engines passed.
Whenarewethere said
02:37 PM Mar 5, 2023
My Land Rover uses 91 but pretty much always put 98 in it. The extra price is balanced out by the extra milage, actually I am just ahead unless the price difference is extreme. Also did this with my previous car which we had for 18 years.
Not to forget all fuels have an excise rate of $0.442 per litre to 29 Sept 2022, so you are actually paying a bit less tax as a percentage of your fuel using 98.
From 29 September 2022 to 31 January 2023 $0.46 & from 1 February 2023 $0.477 excise.
If you want to reduce your tax on fuel, then use aviation fuel $0.03556 for you model of transport.
I also fill up jerry cans when it is cheap (in England you are only allowed to fill up 2 cans, so you have to go around the block to fill up the next two)
We also use a range of fuel apps to get cheapest part of the cycle (a pointless Australian thing, not in Europe).
If we had RON102 in Australia I would use that if the extra milage was worth the price. In effect longer range fuel tank so you don't have to fill up as often.
Whenarewethere said
03:02 PM Mar 5, 2023
Not to forget that Euro 7 includes brake dust emissions & tyre wear for all vehicles including EVs, also electric car battery longevity.
Just hope Australia doesn't get the third rate EVs or we are forever chasing our tail like ICEs!
Greg 1 said
01:32 AM Mar 6, 2023
You can get RON 102 and some slightly better than that, but they are all race fuels and are very expensive. All contain some ethanol.
Whenarewethere said
08:57 AM Mar 9, 2023
I touched on Euro 7 which includes brake dust.
In NSW your car only needs to brake as well as the oldest road registered NSW car.
So things are fair for the oldest car. If you happen to have leather brake pads & the car stops then if your later than 1910 or so car stops then it complies.
I suppose leather brake pads are actually pretty compliant with brake dust!
Bicyclecamper said
09:10 AM Mar 9, 2023
I use ceramic brake pads, no dust at all and handle heat a damn sight better.
Craig1 said
09:57 AM Mar 9, 2023
How do they wear your discs though?
Whenarewethere said
11:23 AM Mar 9, 2023
Previous car once I had a used set of pads I got them reshoed with metal pads, they had bits of aluminium in them. They lasted a long time & were pretty much dust free.
Just haven't bothered with current car.
Cuppa said
11:35 AM Mar 9, 2023
We run EBC Yellowstuff pads on the front of our Patrol (with aftermarket dimpled/slotted discs). Virtually no dust & kind to the discs. Not ceramic, but use 'aramid' fibres (which I think is the same as Kevlar). Very effective compared to OEM discs & pads.
Possum3 said
11:45 AM Mar 9, 2023
Cuppa wrote:
We run EBC Yellowstuff pads on the front of our Patrol (with aftermarket dimpled/slotted discs). Virtually no dust & kind to the discs. Not ceramic, but use 'aramid' fibres (which I think is the same as Kevlar). Very effective compared to OEM discs & pads.
Aramid fiber is produced by spinning a solid fiber from a liquid chemical blend. This causes the polymer chains to orientate in the direction of the fibre increasing strength. Kevlar is expensive and dangerous to manufacture partly because it is dissolved in concentrated sulfuric acid.
Greg 1 said
05:25 PM Mar 11, 2023
The ADR's give the standards required for brakes and braking ability.
There are tests that all new cars must pass.
The comment about NSW cars only being required to brake as well as a 1900's vintage car are not correct.
These rules are legislated federally and are not something ruled upon by any State government other than they must uphold the ADR's.
While the EU's 2035 ban on the sale of new ICE vehicles has grabbed the headlines (which has been temporarily put on hold following objections by Germany), less reported is the implementation of Euro-7 fuel standard which comes into effect in 2025.
Car manufacturers claim that it will not be economically viable to modify low-margin vehicles and low-volume vehicles to meet the new fuel standard.
It is reported that some vehicles will cease to be produced including; Hyundai I20, I30 and Kona, Ford Focus and Fiesta, Mitsubishi Mirage, Renault Megane, Toyota GR86 and Nissan Z.
Meanwhile, Australia continues to use the Euro-5 fuel standard.
My Land Rover uses 91 but pretty much always put 98 in it. The extra price is balanced out by the extra milage, actually I am just ahead unless the price difference is extreme. Also did this with my previous car which we had for 18 years.
Not to forget all fuels have an excise rate of $0.442 per litre to 29 Sept 2022, so you are actually paying a bit less tax as a percentage of your fuel using 98.
From 29 September 2022 to 31 January 2023 $0.46 & from 1 February 2023 $0.477 excise.
If you want to reduce your tax on fuel, then use aviation fuel $0.03556 for you model of transport.
I also fill up jerry cans when it is cheap (in England you are only allowed to fill up 2 cans, so you have to go around the block to fill up the next two)
We also use a range of fuel apps to get cheapest part of the cycle (a pointless Australian thing, not in Europe).
If we had RON102 in Australia I would use that if the extra milage was worth the price. In effect longer range fuel tank so you don't have to fill up as often.
Not to forget that Euro 7 includes brake dust emissions & tyre wear for all vehicles including EVs, also electric car battery longevity.
Just hope Australia doesn't get the third rate EVs or we are forever chasing our tail like ICEs!
I touched on Euro 7 which includes brake dust.
In NSW your car only needs to brake as well as the oldest road registered NSW car.
So things are fair for the oldest car. If you happen to have leather brake pads & the car stops then if your later than 1910 or so car stops then it complies.
I suppose leather brake pads are actually pretty compliant with brake dust!
Previous car once I had a used set of pads I got them reshoed with metal pads, they had bits of aluminium in them. They lasted a long time & were pretty much dust free.
Just haven't bothered with current car.
Aramid fiber is produced by spinning a solid fiber from a liquid chemical blend. This causes the polymer chains to orientate in the direction of the fibre increasing strength. Kevlar is expensive and dangerous to manufacture partly because it is dissolved in concentrated sulfuric acid.