What a typical psychologist understands about autism wouldn't fill the back of a postage stamp. I had a personal experience with an autistic girl who was about Greta's age. I managed to connect with her in 2 minutes simply by allowing her to sense that I genuinely cared. Her psychiatrist didn't know where to start. If I were complaining about indoctrination of children by their parents, I would focus on religion. That's where the most parental damage is done.
RickJ said
03:35 PM Jan 13, 2023
I dont think you have to be a psycologist to work out the Greta situation.
Wasnt there a member on here just recently who indicated in his post, most of the information that was observed in that short movie. I was surprised that the information didnt include how she is reaping enormous financial benefit from her antics.
-- Edited by RickJ on Friday 13th of January 2023 03:36:32 PM
Imagine some retired psychologist who is prepared to say all the things that will get him an adoring social media audience of neo-conservatives by saying just what they want to hear, because few others are prepared to sell their souls for some sad form of fame. How gullible would you have to be to hold him up as anything but a sold out ex professional.
I have little doubt that the majority of psychologists with even a shred of integrity would dismiss him as nothing more than a dog whistler to his sychophantic followers.
The repeated accusation of Greta Thunberg reaping a personal fortune from her climate change stance does not hold up to scrutiny.
I add these comments not expecting for a moment that to do so will change anyones mind from what they already believe, rather just to add a little balance in another thread where grown men think it's ok to attack the girl rather than discuss the issues she raises in any form other than denial & accusation.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Friday 13th of January 2023 04:55:24 PM
Bicyclecamper said
04:41 PM Jan 13, 2023
"Hear, Hear" Cuppa
Mike Harding said
04:52 PM Jan 13, 2023
Without a shadow of doubt Jordan Peterson is one of the most intelligent, articulate and intuitive people it has been my joy to listen to and learn from in decades... perhaps in my entire lifetime.
Xyz said
05:05 PM Jan 13, 2023
Cuppa wrote:
Imagine some retired psychologist who is prepared to say all the things that will get him an adoring social media audience of neo-conservatives by saying just what they want to hear, because few others are prepared to sell their souls for some sad form of fame. How gullible would you have to be to hold him up as anything but a sold out ex professional.
I have little doubt that the majority of psychologists with even a shred of integrity would dismiss him as nothing more than a dog whistler to his sychophantic followers.
The repeated accusation of Greta Thunberg reaping a personal fortune from her climate change stance does not hold up to scrutiny.
I add these comments not expecting for a moment that to do so will change anyones mind from what they already believe, rather just to add a little balance in another thread where grown men think it's ok to attack the girl rather than discuss the issues she raises in any form other than denial & accusation.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Friday 13th of January 2023 04:55:24 PM
Well said Cuppa.
Probably best that I say no more.
Cheers for 2023
Plain Truth said
05:47 PM Jan 13, 2023
dorian wrote:
What a typical psychologist understands about autism wouldn't fill the back of a postage stamp. I had a personal experience with an autistic girl who was about Greta's age. I managed to connect with her in 2 minutes simply by allowing her to sense that I genuinely cared. Her psychiatrist didn't know where to start. If I were complaining about indoctrination of children by their parents, I would focus on religion. That's where the most parental damage is done.
Maybe you should send Greta an email. It is the misunderstanding of religion that causes problems.
RickJ said
06:30 PM Jan 13, 2023
I ask it is who? who is getting an adoring social media audience
*Imagine some retired psychologist who is prepared to say all the things that will get an adoring social media audience by saying just what they want to hear,*
From the web.
https://caknowledge.com/
Greta Thunberg Net Worth
As a matter of fact, Greta Thunberg has been a proponent and activist for climate justice since she was just six years old. She is just 19 years old. She has not even completed her regular high school degree, but she has already been awarded multiple PhDs by different universities in the world. Swedish activist Greta Thunberg has a net worth of $2 Million. According to various online resources (Wikipedia, Forbes, IMDB), the most popular Swedish activist Greta Thunbergs estimated net worth is around $2 Million.
Can anyone on here tell the forum of anyone else who has been awarded Multiple PhDs having not even completed a high school education.
Now I ask would anyone hold faith in the ravings of an uneducated child with fairy tale awards as opposed to a qualified Psychologist be it that he is retired or not.
I think this goes to show how gullible some people really are.
Plain Truth said
06:42 PM Jan 13, 2023
Just a sign of the times,how foolish people are becoming.The former Archbishop of Canterbury calls her a prophet.The poor girl has been used.
Thought this thread would be popcorn worthy! not disappointed.
DMaxer said
07:47 PM Jan 13, 2023
Ah yes. Good old Jordan. A Canadian who describes himself as a "traditionalist" and a "classic English liberal". Heard those phrases before? Have a read of his thoughts on women and feminism.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Saturday 14th of January 2023 10:22:00 AM
Plain Truth said
08:00 PM Jan 13, 2023
Santa wrote:
Thought this thread would be popcorn worthy! not disappointed.
So you you admit you are a Troll satan, opps santa. Wink.
-- Edited by Plain Truth on Friday 13th of January 2023 08:01:30 PM
-- Edited by Plain Truth on Friday 13th of January 2023 08:02:34 PM
Plain Truth said
08:10 PM Jan 13, 2023
Santa wrote:
Thought this thread would be popcorn worthy! not disappointed.
Greta Thunberg has a net worth of $2 Million. According to various online resources (Wikipedia, Forbes, IMDB), t
2 million eh? That's doubled since the last Greta Thunberg thread here ! And it is a highly contentious figure. Most estimates suggest 1 million, & the basis of those estimates is based upon prize money she was awarded. However she says she has donated all of that money to a variety of charities & causes fighting for causes to reduce global warming..... not to build her personal wealth.
One only has to look a bit further through the Google results to find that sort of information, alongside the reports which prefer to paint her in a bad light.
Picking the higher 2 million figure must have seen you scrolling through a few results for you to reject before settling on one which made her sound worse.
Bottom line is as I previously stated " The repeated accusation of Greta Thunberg reaping a personal fortune from her climate change stance does not hold up to scrutiny."
No-one actually knows what she's worth, but we know what she has said about it. Either you believe her or you don't. That is the most anyone can do. Not state beliefs (or estimates) as fact.
Personally, I see her integrity as central to her credibility & cannot imagine that she would risk that for money. What makes her so disliked by many is her integrity & her blunt unrefined honesty, so much so that trying to undermine her as a person is the best her detractors can manage, & that will never succeed, because the harder they try the more right she looks. And it simply displays two things 1. they don't like what she says & wish she would go away & 2. that by attacking her personally to try to undermine her in any way they can , that they have no reasonable ,nor logical argument to counter what she says. All the dross fails to reference the issues but focusses only on how this young girl presents herself. All in all a fairly clear way of showing they have nothing credible to counter the uncomfortable truths she tells.
RickJ said
11:04 PM Jan 13, 2023
Dont shoot the messenger.
Oh yes, I seem to remember that topic from last week. Wasnt that the topic where you bleated on an on until you finally realised that you were wrong and had to admit it and then to save face you had the entire topic removed by admin so your nonsense could not be seen by others.
Yes, there are many of us on the forums that wont forget that.
Oh yes, I seem to remember that topic from last week. Wasnt that the topic where you bleated on an on until you finally realised that you were wrong and had to admit it and then to save face you had the entire topic removed by admin so your nonsense could not be seen by others.
Sorry Rick, but this has to qualify for the forum's 'most bizarre response of the year'
Your apparent of memory of that thread is either plain faulty , or you have deliberately fabricated it to mislead. Hard to tell which. Either way it is totally incorrect .
Your assertion that I then had the entire topic removed by admin to cover up what you have suggested happened is beyond the pale. Why you would consider that I (or any forum member) might have superpower abilities to control what the forum admin do is bizarre.
It is hard to work out whether your assertions result from a delusional state, reading too many comics or are simply a nasty attempt to sling mud in a most unconvincing manner.
Maybe you need a good lie down.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Saturday 14th of January 2023 08:42:12 AM
Mike Harding said
08:38 AM Jan 14, 2023
86GTS wrote:
Yes... well... perhaps if you refrained from posting pictures of buckets of popcorn in order to encourage argument that would help....
86GTS said
09:06 AM Jan 14, 2023
Mike Harding wrote:
86GTS wrote:
Yes... well... perhaps if you refrained from posting pictures of buckets of popcorn in order to encourage argument that would help....
Maybe but I think that it helps lighten up things a little when things become serious. A few others like to do it as well. Good for a laugh.
As for yourself, for some strange reason you seem to enjoy turning every lighthearted thread into a serious debate.
Have a look through all the threads that have turned toxic & you are the common denominator.
I'm amazed that you haven't been removed by admin/mods.
Not just my thoughts but the thoughts of many on here.
DMaxer said
09:56 AM Jan 14, 2023
I don't know why but it seems that a certain group of posters have this morbid terror of any young woman who either has an opinion contrary to the one they hold or any young woman who gains recognition or success. Heaven help any young woman or any female who has the gall to allege a criminal act allegedly committed by a male.
Young people today are on average much more sophisticated, learned and opinionated than most of us at a corresponding age. They are now in a position to control what is happening as they are becoming the dominant age group with massive voting powers.
I don't really know what Greta has to say as I don't follow her press. I am aware she is very pro climate action and I think this is a good thing. I think the fact that any young person has an opinion and a cause to follow is good. As long as it is not unlawful or hurtful, what does it matter. You can either agree or disagree with the view but there is no need to attack the person personally because she disagrees with your opinion. Of course she has been influenced by others. Everyone is influenced by others as they grow up. It might be teachers, parents, peers or a personality. Just because someone has been influenced does not mean they have been indoctrinated. I admire people who are vocal about issues that they care about. I don't care if they are 18 or 108, male or female. Good on them.
I think Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud would enjoy some of the posts on this forum. I think they would analyse most as coming from a select group of males who would best be described as uxorius.
I'm wondering if any of you watched the video of Peterson? he was expressing concern for Greta along with the fact that she was being manipulated by others at a very tender age, not denigrating her.
Troll? nope, I posted the link in the hope that it may generate intelligent discussion, sadly not to be.
I'm wondering if any of you watched the video of Peterson? he was expressing concern for Greta along with the fact that she was being manipulated by others at a very tender age, not denigrating her.
Troll? nope, I posted the link in the hope that it may generate intelligent discussion, sadly not to be.
If you can watch that video & truly believe that that man has Greta Thunberg's best interests at heart & that really he is not denigrating her or using her to push his opportunistic, manipulative views to help validate those with unthinking populist leanings to have a pseudo scientific hook to hang their hats on then I suggest that you are precisely the sort of person the video was made for.
I don't think intelligent analysis played any part in the decision to post that video link.
RickJ said
11:29 AM Jan 14, 2023
DMaxer wrote:
I don't know why but it seems that a certain group of posters have this morbid terror of any young woman who either has an opinion contrary to the one they hold or any young woman who gains recognition or success. Heaven help any young woman or any female who has the gall to allege a criminal act allegedly committed by a male.
Young people today are on average much more sophisticated, learned and opinionated than most of us at a corresponding age. They are now in a position to control what is happening as they are becoming the dominant age group with massive voting powers.
I don't really know what Greta has to say as I don't follow her press. I am aware she is very pro climate action and I think this is a good thing. I think the fact that any young person has an opinion and a cause to follow is good. As long as it is not unlawful or hurtful, what does it matter. You can either agree or disagree with the view but there is no need to attack the person personally because she disagrees with your opinion. Of course she has been influenced by others. Everyone is influenced by others as they grow up. It might be teachers, parents, peers or a personality. Just because someone has been influenced does not mean they have been indoctrinated. I admire people who are vocal about issues that they care about. I don't care if they are 18 or 108, male or female. Good on them.
I think Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud would enjoy some of the posts on this forum. I think they would analyse most as coming from a select group of males who would best be described as uxorius.
* You can either agree or disagree with the view but there is no need to attack the person personally because she disagrees with your opinion.*
Hi Dmaxer
Before you wrote the post above did you take the time to read all comments.
If you had you would have noted that the second contributor (Dorian) proceeded to denigrate the Psychologist. Did anyone notice that this child does not even have a secondary education. Of course this is her choice but what sort of credibility does any University or Education facility has when they issue a PhD to her..
The video Santa put up was informative and actually did indicate that anyone viewing the clip should be concerned as to what is happening to her.
Dmaxer, even the rude and bombastic comments of another on here in support of her misguided and manipulated program of telling the world that we are all to blame for her twisted view of the world is only his comments, nothing more.
The same bloke bangs on and on and on about personal attacks.
Well I might just snip this sentence to see who is the guilty party really is with personal attacks.
Snip:
I have little doubt that the majority of psychologists with even a shred of integrity would dismiss him as nothing more than a dog whistler to his sychophantic followers.
I wont include any part of his personal attack reply to my post above ( you can all read again what I originally posted and not what he snipped) apart from to say that my content did not provide him any reply to feed his PD.
The bit he left out was:
Yes, there are many of us on the forums that wont forget that.
Dmaxer, I am sure Jung and Freud would have some very interesting comments. They certainly have great analysis of NPD.
A person with NPD has a great fear for and educated empath
Cuppa said
11:48 AM Jan 14, 2023
Well I might just snip this sentence to see who is the guilty party really is with personal attacks.
Snip:
I have little doubt that the majority of psychologists with even a shred of integrity would dismiss him as nothing more than a dog whistler to his sychophantic followers.
Just another little snip Rick.
This particular comment that you have bolded & suggest is a personal attack is a clear demonstration that you confuse criticism with personal attack.
DMaxer said
11:57 AM Jan 14, 2023
In case some are not aware who this character is and who are his followers perhaps this picture might assist.
-- Edited by RickJ on Saturday 14th of January 2023 12:00:04 PM
-- Edited by RickJ on Saturday 14th of January 2023 12:06:38 PM
RickJ said
11:59 AM Jan 14, 2023
Cuppa wrote:
Well I might just snip this sentence to see who is the guilty party really is with personal attacks.
Snip:
I have little doubt that the majority of psychologists with even a shred of integrity would dismiss him as nothing more than a dog whistler to his sychophantic followers.
Just another little snip Rick.
This particular comment that you have bolded & suggest is a personal attack is a clear demonstration that you confuse criticism with personal attack.
Clear as mud.
But the forum members do take note.
We cant go back through other posts as most of those topics have been deleted but I am sure that if we could, we may note that so many links indicating what were critical remarks, received a label of a personal attack.
Cuppa said
12:21 PM Jan 14, 2023
RickJ wrote:
Clear as mud.
But the forum members do take note. ______________________________________
As I suggested - I don't think you get it. I still think that you consider daring to disagree with your viewpoint, or worse still to criticise it is the same as criticising you personally. And at the same time you exhibit a willingness to throw parroted labels around which seek to attack me as a person, rather than to critique my views.
And yes I have no doubt that forum members take note - but what forum members take note of may well not be what you think. I expect some people's recollection will be based not on facts but on loyalties, alliances & side taking on what are often divisive issues, but I expect the majority will recognise when posters have crossed the line & become abusive.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Saturday 14th of January 2023 12:34:00 PM
Words of wisdom.
I dont think you have to be a psycologist to work out the Greta situation.
Wasnt there a member on here just recently who indicated in his post, most of the information that was observed in that short movie.
I was surprised that the information didnt include how she is reaping enormous financial benefit from her antics.
-- Edited by RickJ on Friday 13th of January 2023 03:36:32 PM
Imagine some retired psychologist who is prepared to say all the things that will get him an adoring social media audience of neo-conservatives by saying just what they want to hear, because few others are prepared to sell their souls for some sad form of fame. How gullible would you have to be to hold him up as anything but a sold out ex professional.
I have little doubt that the majority of psychologists with even a shred of integrity would dismiss him as nothing more than a dog whistler to his sychophantic followers.
The repeated accusation of Greta Thunberg reaping a personal fortune from her climate change stance does not hold up to scrutiny.
I add these comments not expecting for a moment that to do so will change anyones mind from what they already believe, rather just to add a little balance in another thread where grown men think it's ok to attack the girl rather than discuss the issues she raises in any form other than denial & accusation.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Friday 13th of January 2023 04:55:24 PM
Without a shadow of doubt Jordan Peterson is one of the most intelligent, articulate and intuitive people it has been my joy to listen to and learn from in decades... perhaps in my entire lifetime.
Well said Cuppa.
Probably best that I say no more.
Cheers for 2023
Maybe you should send Greta an email. It is the misunderstanding of religion that causes problems.
I ask it is who? who is getting an adoring social media audience
*Imagine some retired psychologist who is prepared to say all the things that will get an adoring social media audience by saying just what they want to hear,*
From the web.
https://caknowledge.com/
Greta Thunberg Net Worth
As a matter of fact, Greta Thunberg has been a proponent and activist for climate justice since she was just six years old. She is just 19 years old. She has not even completed her regular high school degree, but she has already been awarded multiple PhDs by different universities in the world. Swedish activist Greta Thunberg has a net worth of $2 Million. According to various online resources (Wikipedia, Forbes, IMDB), the most popular Swedish activist Greta Thunbergs estimated net worth is around $2 Million.
Can anyone on here tell the forum of anyone else who has been awarded Multiple PhDs having not even completed a high school education.
Now I ask would anyone hold faith in the ravings of an uneducated child with fairy tale awards as opposed to a qualified Psychologist be it that he is retired or not.
I think this goes to show how gullible some people really are.
Just a sign of the times,how foolish people are becoming.The former Archbishop of Canterbury calls her a prophet.The poor girl has been used.
Thought this thread would be popcorn worthy! not disappointed.
Ah yes. Good old Jordan. A Canadian who describes himself as a "traditionalist" and a "classic English liberal". Heard those phrases before? Have a read of his thoughts on women and feminism.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Saturday 14th of January 2023 10:22:00 AM
So you you admit you are a Troll satan, opps santa. Wink.
-- Edited by Plain Truth on Friday 13th of January 2023 08:01:30 PM
-- Edited by Plain Truth on Friday 13th of January 2023 08:02:34 PM
People like you spoil this forum
2 million eh? That's doubled since the last Greta Thunberg thread here ! And it is a highly contentious figure. Most estimates suggest 1 million, & the basis of those estimates is based upon prize money she was awarded. However she says she has donated all of that money to a variety of charities & causes fighting for causes to reduce global warming..... not to build her personal wealth.
One only has to look a bit further through the Google results to find that sort of information, alongside the reports which prefer to paint her in a bad light.
Picking the higher 2 million figure must have seen you scrolling through a few results for you to reject before settling on one which made her sound worse.
Bottom line is as I previously stated " The repeated accusation of Greta Thunberg reaping a personal fortune from her climate change stance does not hold up to scrutiny."
No-one actually knows what she's worth, but we know what she has said about it. Either you believe her or you don't. That is the most anyone can do. Not state beliefs (or estimates) as fact.
Personally, I see her integrity as central to her credibility & cannot imagine that she would risk that for money. What makes her so disliked by many is her integrity & her blunt unrefined honesty, so much so that trying to undermine her as a person is the best her detractors can manage, & that will never succeed, because the harder they try the more right she looks. And it simply displays two things 1. they don't like what she says & wish she would go away & 2. that by attacking her personally to try to undermine her in any way they can , that they have no reasonable ,nor logical argument to counter what she says. All the dross fails to reference the issues but focusses only on how this young girl presents herself. All in all a fairly clear way of showing they have nothing credible to counter the uncomfortable truths she tells.
Dont shoot the messenger.
Oh yes, I seem to remember that topic from last week.
Wasnt that the topic where you bleated on an on until you finally realised that you were wrong and had to admit it and then to save face you had the entire topic removed by admin so your nonsense could not be seen by others.
Yes, there are many of us on the forums that wont forget that.
Sorry Rick, but this has to qualify for the forum's 'most bizarre response of the year'
Your apparent of memory of that thread is either plain faulty , or you have deliberately fabricated it to mislead. Hard to tell which. Either way it is totally incorrect .
Your assertion that I then had the entire topic removed by admin to cover up what you have suggested happened is beyond the pale. Why you would consider that I (or any forum member) might have superpower abilities to control what the forum admin do is bizarre.
It is hard to work out whether your assertions result from a delusional state, reading too many comics or are simply a nasty attempt to sling mud in a most unconvincing manner.
Maybe you need a good lie down.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Saturday 14th of January 2023 08:42:12 AM
Yes... well... perhaps if you refrained from posting pictures of buckets of popcorn in order to encourage argument that would help....
Maybe but I think that it helps lighten up things a little when things become serious. A few others like to do it as well. Good for a laugh.
As for yourself, for some strange reason you seem to enjoy turning every lighthearted thread into a serious debate.
Have a look through all the threads that have turned toxic & you are the common denominator.
I'm amazed that you haven't been removed by admin/mods.
Not just my thoughts but the thoughts of many on here.
I don't know why but it seems that a certain group of posters have this morbid terror of any young woman who either has an opinion contrary to the one they hold or any young woman who gains recognition or success. Heaven help any young woman or any female who has the gall to allege a criminal act allegedly committed by a male.
Young people today are on average much more sophisticated, learned and opinionated than most of us at a corresponding age. They are now in a position to control what is happening as they are becoming the dominant age group with massive voting powers.
I don't really know what Greta has to say as I don't follow her press. I am aware she is very pro climate action and I think this is a good thing. I think the fact that any young person has an opinion and a cause to follow is good. As long as it is not unlawful or hurtful, what does it matter. You can either agree or disagree with the view but there is no need to attack the person personally because she disagrees with your opinion. Of course she has been influenced by others. Everyone is influenced by others as they grow up. It might be teachers, parents, peers or a personality. Just because someone has been influenced does not mean they have been indoctrinated. I admire people who are vocal about issues that they care about. I don't care if they are 18 or 108, male or female. Good on them.
I think Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud would enjoy some of the posts on this forum. I think they would analyse most as coming from a select group of males who would best be described as uxorius.
https://www.hig.se/Ext/En/University-of-Gavle/Arkiv/Externa-nyheter/2021-11-15-Five-characteristics-that-made-Greta-Thunberg-a-leader.html
I'm wondering if any of you watched the video of Peterson? he was expressing concern for Greta along with the fact that she was being manipulated by others at a very tender age, not denigrating her.
Troll? nope, I posted the link in the hope that it may generate intelligent discussion, sadly not to be.
Regardless, the thread has been entertaining.
If you can watch that video & truly believe that that man has Greta Thunberg's best interests at heart & that really he is not denigrating her or using her to push his opportunistic, manipulative views to help validate those with unthinking populist leanings to have a pseudo scientific hook to hang their hats on then I suggest that you are precisely the sort of person the video was made for.
I don't think intelligent analysis played any part in the decision to post that video link.
* You can either agree or disagree with the view but there is no need to attack the person personally because she disagrees with your opinion.*
Hi Dmaxer
Before you wrote the post above did you take the time to read all comments.
If you had you would have noted that the second contributor (Dorian) proceeded to denigrate the Psychologist.
Did anyone notice that this child does not even have a secondary education. Of course this is her choice but what sort of credibility does any University or Education facility has when they issue a PhD to her..
The video Santa put up was informative and actually did indicate that anyone viewing the clip should be concerned as to what is happening to her.
Dmaxer, even the rude and bombastic comments of another on here in support of her misguided and manipulated program of telling the world that we are all to blame for her twisted view of the world is only his comments, nothing more.
The same bloke bangs on and on and on about personal attacks.
Well I might just snip this sentence to see who is the guilty party really is with personal attacks.
Snip:
I have little doubt that the majority of psychologists with even a shred of integrity would dismiss him as nothing more than a dog whistler to his sychophantic followers.
I wont include any part of his personal attack reply to my post above ( you can all read again what I originally posted and not what he snipped) apart from to say that my content did not provide him any reply to feed his PD.
The bit he left out was:
Yes, there are many of us on the forums that wont forget that.
Dmaxer, I am sure Jung and Freud would have some very interesting comments. They certainly have great analysis of NPD.
A person with NPD has a great fear for and educated empath
Just another little snip Rick.
This particular comment that you have bolded & suggest is a personal attack is a clear demonstration that you confuse criticism with personal attack.
In case some are not aware who this character is and who are his followers perhaps this picture might assist.
A couple of good lookin Roosters there D.
You must have a great photo album.
-- Edited by RickJ on Saturday 14th of January 2023 12:00:04 PM
-- Edited by RickJ on Saturday 14th of January 2023 12:06:38 PM
Clear as mud.
But the forum members do take note.
We cant go back through other posts as most of those topics have been deleted but I am sure that if we could, we may note that so many links indicating what were critical remarks, received a label of a personal attack.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Saturday 14th of January 2023 12:34:00 PM