The Queensland government has proposed a scheme whereby it will fund the installation of engine immobilizers in vehicles in the high vehicle theft cities of Mt Isa, Cairns and Townsville.
The RACQ has spoken out against the proposal saying that modern cars are already fitted with immobilizers and vehicle theft is occurring because criminals are getting hold of keys - through housebreaking, through pick-pocketing and through grabbing keys when they're placed on a table / counter when dining or shopping.
I've long thought that vehicles could / should be equipped with PINs. A small keypad could be attached to the dash and a PIN would need to be entered before the vehicle could be started.
And, unlike ATM PINs, car owners could tell their PIN to their significant other, their sons and daughters, their best friend, etc whereby should they ever forget their PIN, a quick phone call would immediately resolve the problem.
rgren2 said
12:01 PM Jan 5, 2023
Then a quick knife to the throat of the owner of the vehicle. To me this seems to be an invitation to assault rather than a sneaky house break.
Mike Harding said
12:08 PM Jan 5, 2023
I'd say they have a social/cultural problem... not a technical one.
Possum3 said
12:18 PM Jan 5, 2023
For less than $100 you can buy a signal detector on e-bay - Sit next to vehicle you desire or have an "order" for, when owner activate fob copy signal and steal at a convenient time when vehicle is just standing.
No need for violent attack to get your vehicle.
The current breed of low life scumbags are too dumb to spend $100 (better spent on two hits of meth) and will bash/smash/kill for an old Holden Commodore.
Professional thieves targeting high-end vehicles on the other hand will have your vehicle in a container sometime before it is missed.
Mike Harding said
12:31 PM Jan 5, 2023
Possum3 wrote:
For less than $100 you can buy a signal detector on e-bay - Sit next to vehicle you desire or have an "order" for, when owner activate fob copy signal and steal at a convenient time when vehicle is just standing..
That was the case some years ago Possum but then "code hopping" systems were introduced which change the code every time the remote is used, the algorithm to do this is rather complex but it does eliminate "code grabbers".
Best one I heard of was a stolen Porsche; they backed a tow truck up to it, tipped a few litres of oil in front of the car then used a hoist to drag it onto the tow truck. Off to the workshop and sort out the immobilizer there :)
Bicyclecamper said
12:51 PM Jan 5, 2023
Even though my car is not a sort after vehicle to thieve, and has it's own antitheft stuff built in, I fitted my own engine immobilizer in an unique place , and do so every time I buy a new vehicle as added protection.
watsea said
03:01 PM Jan 5, 2023
On a previous vehicle, a Commodore, that had a key ignition, I had a hidden fuel cut-off switch. It detered one perpetrator when a daughter was using the vehicle. The vehicle was still in its parking spot, but with some minor damage to the key lock.
Mein said
03:41 PM Jan 5, 2023
Then a quick knife to the throat of the owner of the vehicle. To me this seems to be an invitation to assault rather than a sneaky house break.
I have not read ANY reports of vehicle owners being asked to hand over car keys at knife point. All the reports I have read involved car keys being covertly taken.
For less than $100 you can buy a signal detector on e-bay - Sit next to vehicle you desire or have an "order" for, when owner activate fob copy signal and steal at a convenient time when vehicle is just standing.
Vehicles needing a PIN in addition to a key with an embedded 'computer chip' that sends a static or changing code would overcome this problem.
Best one I heard of was a stolen Porsche; they backed a tow truck up to it, tipped a few litres of oil in front of the car then used a hoist to drag it onto the tow truck. Off to the workshop and sort out the immobilizer there :)
Many years ago, I had a brand new motorcycle tolen and the theft was witnessed by a neighbour. A ute pulled up, 3 men got out and lifted the bike onto the back of the ute. A neighbour challenged them and they said they were from the bike shop. They said the bike was under warranty, the owner (me) reported that the bike wouldn't start and they needed to take it back it back to the workshop to find out what was wrong with it. In the circumstances, the neighbour didn't bother noting the ute's registration number.
I fitted my own engine immobilizer in an unique place AND I had a hidden fuel cut-off switch
Same principle! A means of immobilizing the vehicle in addition to and independent of the ignition key.
Whenarewethere said
04:03 PM Jan 5, 2023
On my Peugeot 504 I installed a keyed one way valve on the clutch hydraulic line. Press the clutch once & it was disengaged permanently.
I suppose one could break the lock but with hydraulic fluid everywhere the clutch still won't work.
rgren2 said
04:13 PM Jan 5, 2023
I have not read ANY reports of vehicle owners being asked to hand over car keys at knife point. All the reports I have read involved car keys being covertly taken.
That is the point, if they cant pinch the keys, theyll resort to more desperate measures, once its done, others will follow.
Cupie said
05:23 PM Jan 5, 2023
My good old GQ (1995) Patrol is probably safe. Who'd pinch that.
Possum3 said
05:41 PM Jan 5, 2023
Mein wrote:
I have not read ANY reports of vehicle owners being asked to hand over car keys at knife point. All the reports I have read involved car keys being covertly taken.
There are many home invasions in Western Sydney where resident/s threatened and keys taken - BMW, Mercedes and 4WD are main target. There are many "carjacking" of SUV,s in WA.
Whilst I am unfamiliar with crime statistics in other States, I imagine that there are similar occurrences and particular vehicles of choice.
yobarr said
07:20 PM Jan 5, 2023
Cupie wrote:
My good old GQ (1995) Patrol is probably safe. Who'd pinch that.
Only people who understand what a great car they are. Cheers
Kebbin said
07:41 PM Jan 5, 2023
There needs to be some serious work done to come up with solutions with the youth in these towns, they need to be inspired to work with others to dig their way out of this problem.
The Land Councils aren't any help the way they are generally run by one clan and everyone else gets no say or help. So what is needed is a big stick in one hand and a way ahead in the other.
Mein said
08:40 PM Jan 5, 2023
That is the point, if they cant pinch the keys, theyll resort to more desperate measures, once its done, others will follow.
and
There are many home invasions in Western Sydney where resident/s threatened and keys taken - BMW, Mercedes and 4WD are main target.
I bow to your superior wisdom and knowledge.
Weary of Answering Numerous Kinds of Enquiries, Roger Sighed!
mixo said
08:42 PM Jan 5, 2023
what a waste of time. A long time ago, I owned a VL calais turbo, what a car.I put in extra alarm sensors, go near it, it would go off.
Well, one night my sister took her friends to the Palais theatre in St.kilda. When she got out the car was gone.No broken glass, with no evidence of foul play.
Police said it was probably on the back of a tray to a chop shop.
If someone wants your car, you got buckleys of keeping it.
mixo
-- Edited by mixo on Thursday 5th of January 2023 08:43:06 PM
Sarco Harris said
09:35 PM Jan 5, 2023
These days, don't want your car stolen, buy a manual, not an auto.
dogbox said
09:37 PM Jan 5, 2023
Cupie wrote:
My good old GQ (1995) Patrol is probably safe. Who'd pinch that.
they are worth more as spare parts
rgren2 said
10:46 PM Jan 5, 2023
Mein wrote:
That is the point, if they cant pinch the keys, theyll resort to more desperate measures, once its done, others will follow.
and
There are many home invasions in Western Sydney where resident/s threatened and keys taken - BMW, Mercedes and 4WD are main target.
I bow to your superior wisdom and knowledge.
Weary of Answering Numerous Kinds of Enquiries, Roger Sighed!
There is nothing wrong with coming up with ideas. Crims will always find ways to circumvent them.
smwhiskey said
08:38 AM Jan 6, 2023
Mein wrote:
Is it time for vehicle PINs?
2 things jump to mind.
1. Lets add more cost to to the price of cars. Might only cost a small amount to produce the unit but we all know that the manufacturers will charge like a wounded bull for it.
2. If you've ever had an immobiliser unit fail its not a particularly fun experience. Last thing I would want to happen in my 4WD when I'm some distance away from help.
Simon
peter67 said
09:25 AM Jan 6, 2023
Kebbin wrote:
There needs to be some serious work done to come up with solutions with the youth in these towns, they need to be inspired to work with others to dig their way out of this problem. The Land Councils aren't any help the way they are generally run by one clan and everyone else gets no say or help. So what is needed is a big stick in one hand and a way ahead in the other.
I'd imagine a quick dose of the cane would solve 95% of car joyriding problems instantly.
smwhiskey said
09:50 AM Jan 6, 2023
peter67 wrote:
Kebbin wrote:
There needs to be some serious work done to come up with solutions with the youth in these towns, they need to be inspired to work with others to dig their way out of this problem. The Land Councils aren't any help the way they are generally run by one clan and everyone else gets no say or help. So what is needed is a big stick in one hand and a way ahead in the other.
I'd imagine a quick dose of the cane would solve 95% of car joyriding problems instantly.
National Service?
dorian said
12:16 PM Jan 6, 2023
peter67 wrote:
I'd imagine a quick dose of the cane would solve 95% of car joyriding problems instantly.
Only if it's a rotan.
Whenarewethere said
12:53 PM Jan 6, 2023
A separate remote control to deflate tyres.
Derek Barnes said
11:10 PM Jan 6, 2023
Just one more password to have to remember! No thanks! What about a semi intelligent camera system which recognises the face of any approved driver and only lets those people start the car, and also looks out for people doing damage to or stealing the whole car on a tow truck! If we are going to get self drive cars soon they should easily have the technology to do the above features now.
Is it time for vehicle PINs?
The Queensland government has proposed a scheme whereby it will fund the installation of engine immobilizers in vehicles in the high vehicle theft cities of Mt Isa, Cairns and Townsville.
The RACQ has spoken out against the proposal saying that modern cars are already fitted with immobilizers and vehicle theft is occurring because criminals are getting hold of keys - through housebreaking, through pick-pocketing and through grabbing keys when they're placed on a table / counter when dining or shopping.
I've long thought that vehicles could / should be equipped with PINs. A small keypad could be attached to the dash and a PIN would need to be entered before the vehicle could be started.
And, unlike ATM PINs, car owners could tell their PIN to their significant other, their sons and daughters, their best friend, etc whereby should they ever forget their PIN, a quick phone call would immediately resolve the problem.
I'd say they have a social/cultural problem... not a technical one.
No need for violent attack to get your vehicle.
The current breed of low life scumbags are too dumb to spend $100 (better spent on two hits of meth) and will bash/smash/kill for an old Holden Commodore.
Professional thieves targeting high-end vehicles on the other hand will have your vehicle in a container sometime before it is missed.
That was the case some years ago Possum but then "code hopping" systems were introduced which change the code every time the remote is used, the algorithm to do this is rather complex but it does eliminate "code grabbers".
Best one I heard of was a stolen Porsche; they backed a tow truck up to it, tipped a few litres of oil in front of the car then used a hoist to drag it onto the tow truck. Off to the workshop and sort out the immobilizer there :)
Then a quick knife to the throat of the owner of the vehicle. To me this seems to be an invitation to assault rather than a sneaky house break.
I have not read ANY reports of vehicle owners being asked to hand over car keys at knife point. All the reports I have read involved car keys being covertly taken.
For less than $100 you can buy a signal detector on e-bay - Sit next to vehicle you desire or have an "order" for, when owner activate fob copy signal and steal at a convenient time when vehicle is just standing.
Vehicles needing a PIN in addition to a key with an embedded 'computer chip' that sends a static or changing code would overcome this problem.
Best one I heard of was a stolen Porsche; they backed a tow truck up to it, tipped a few litres of oil in front of the car then used a hoist to drag it onto the tow truck. Off to the workshop and sort out the immobilizer there :)
Many years ago, I had a brand new motorcycle tolen and the theft was witnessed by a neighbour. A ute pulled up, 3 men got out and lifted the bike onto the back of the ute. A neighbour challenged them and they said they were from the bike shop. They said the bike was under warranty, the owner (me) reported that the bike wouldn't start and they needed to take it back it back to the workshop to find out what was wrong with it. In the circumstances, the neighbour didn't bother noting the ute's registration number.
I fitted my own engine immobilizer in an unique place AND I had a hidden fuel cut-off switch
Same principle! A means of immobilizing the vehicle in addition to and independent of the ignition key.
On my Peugeot 504 I installed a keyed one way valve on the clutch hydraulic line. Press the clutch once & it was disengaged permanently.
I suppose one could break the lock but with hydraulic fluid everywhere the clutch still won't work.
That is the point, if they cant pinch the keys, theyll resort to more desperate measures, once its done, others will follow.
My good old GQ (1995) Patrol is probably safe. Who'd pinch that.
There are many home invasions in Western Sydney where resident/s threatened and keys taken - BMW, Mercedes and 4WD are main target. There are many "carjacking" of SUV,s in WA.
Whilst I am unfamiliar with crime statistics in other States, I imagine that there are similar occurrences and particular vehicles of choice.
Only people who understand what a great car they are. Cheers
The Land Councils aren't any help the way they are generally run by one clan and everyone else gets no say or help. So what is needed is a big stick in one hand and a way ahead in the other.
That is the point, if they cant pinch the keys, theyll resort to more desperate measures, once its done, others will follow.
and
There are many home invasions in Western Sydney where resident/s threatened and keys taken - BMW, Mercedes and 4WD are main target.
I bow to your superior wisdom and knowledge.
Weary of Answering Numerous Kinds of Enquiries, Roger Sighed!
what a waste of time. A long time ago, I owned a VL calais turbo, what a car.I put in extra alarm sensors, go near it, it would go off.
Well, one night my sister took her friends to the Palais theatre in St.kilda. When she got out the car was gone.No broken glass, with no evidence of foul play.
Police said it was probably on the back of a tray to a chop shop.
If someone wants your car, you got buckleys of keeping it.
mixo
-- Edited by mixo on Thursday 5th of January 2023 08:43:06 PM
they are worth more as spare parts
There is nothing wrong with coming up with ideas. Crims will always find ways to circumvent them.
2 things jump to mind.
1. Lets add more cost to to the price of cars. Might only cost a small amount to produce the unit but we all know that the manufacturers will charge like a wounded bull for it.
2. If you've ever had an immobiliser unit fail its not a particularly fun experience. Last thing I would want to happen in my 4WD when I'm some distance away from help.
Simon
I'd imagine a quick dose of the cane would solve 95% of car joyriding problems instantly.
National Service?
Only if it's a rotan.
A separate remote control to deflate tyres.