Agree. (Yes really!) I dislike the Americanisation of English speaking cultures around the world.
86GTS said
05:35 AM Oct 29, 2022
Its been commercialized by the Yanks but they didn't invent it.
We enjoy giving the kids lollies (not candy) if they turn up at our door.
There's so many negative events occurring these days, brightening up a few kids lives for a few minutes is a feel good experience all around.
PeterInSa said
11:06 AM Oct 29, 2022
Agree Halloween is an Americanisation of an ancient festival, but it brings joy to children in our suburb, and joy to Margaret in setting up the front veranda/door display.
The 40 or 50 kids that knock on the door to get their bags of goodies etc will probably remember their Halloween visits in their old age.
-- Edited by PeterInSa on Saturday 29th of October 2022 11:08:52 AM
Whenarewethere said
12:32 PM Oct 29, 2022
We don't agree with it, but due to politics in our block or units, just when along with in. The next years it didn't happen.
At least we didn't create landfill, just used what we had at hand. Also wound up the hi-fi with thunder & lighting sound track.
The kids were a bit nervous. A small boy from another Unit was very nervous. I did then briefly lift the sunglasses. Then he know who it was & was clearly relieved.
Other half did actually have a toe nail problem so the bandage was good timing.
Roy E said
12:56 PM Oct 29, 2022
86GTS,
Thank you for your informative notes on Halloween. Most of it was new to me. Like Ivan, I object to the American commercialization of what was originally a Christian(?) celebration, as with Mothers' Day and Fathers' Day. Where did Fathers' Day come from?
Cheers,
Roy.
peter67 said
12:59 PM Oct 29, 2022
Pssst! the plant to the right in the second picture looks a bit suspicious...
Whenarewethere said
01:04 PM Oct 29, 2022
Chamaedorea seifrizii
86GTS said
01:20 PM Oct 29, 2022
One year the young five year old boy across the road from us came to our door with his mum. He was dressed as a mummy, totally wrapped in toilet roll with lipstick as fake blood around his mouth. His mum told us that when she'd finished wrapping him up, she took him to a full length mirror to see himself. When he saw his reflection he scared the living crap out of himself. We gave him an extra few lollies for being brave
Ivan 01 said
01:41 PM Oct 29, 2022
During my youth I had seen reference to Halloween in American comics (this was the beginning)and probably a bit later on television.
The event was never celebrated in my community and never really mentioned or to be honest, even thought of.
My children grew up knowing (I guess) about Halloween but once again their generation did not participate or if some did it could have been rated in our community as a non event.
We have adopted so much unnecessary nonsense (my opinion) from the Good Ole U.S of A.
Lets all wear our hats backward and have our trousers down around our lower hips. It must be the correct way to dress.
I was at my daughters house one day when she had some younger mums visit from school. During conversation one of the *helicopter parents* referred to her child starting high school as *getting ready for middle school* Well that was enough to make me get my car and van and *cross state lines*
My original post was more about the stated 430 million dollars we will reportedly spend on the event that is not even ours. If a parent can fork out that kind of money on costumes lollies and toys then maybe all the Big Australians can withdraw their sponsorship and support for little Johnny or little Mary on the court or the pitch.
Halloween is Americanism at its very worse in this country but I agree that young kiddies do enjoy it.
Most of us love a bag of lollies.
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Saturday 29th of October 2022 01:43:05 PM
Ivan 01 said
01:44 PM Oct 29, 2022
Whenarewethere wrote:
Chamaedorea seifrizii
Looks a bit like the not so rare, Weedus Bongus.
Cuppa said
01:55 PM Oct 29, 2022
Roy E wrote:
86GTS, Thank you for your informative notes on Halloween. Most of it was new to me. Like Ivan, I object to the American commercialization of what was originally a Christian(?) celebration,
Actually those notes from 86GTS suggest it originated as a pagan Celtic new year celebration (Samhain), later 're-purposed' by Christians, as many pagan rituals & observances were.
In the UK (especially) pagan rituals & festivals have made a comeback, especially among the old hippies & alternative lifestylers, of recent decades. Many quaint village celebrations also trace their origins back to pagan times, even if some of the meaning has been lost, whilst continuing to be repeated. In primary school we were taught Maypole Dancing - today seen primarily as 'folk dancing', but originally a Pagan fertility ritual. All these rituals aid 'belonging' & 'sense of place'.
Sadly Halloween does indeed seem to have become very 'Americanised & commercially influenced over the course my lifetime . It's not something my wife & I have ever celebrated, nor even taken a lot of notice of.
Rob Driver said
01:57 PM Oct 29, 2022
Hi Ivan,
Seein it is Satidy I spouse youll be out and about *skirt chasin and a hell raisin*
Off to church tomorra
Whenarewethere said
01:57 PM Oct 29, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
Whenarewethere wrote:
Chamaedorea seifrizii
Looks a bit like the not so rare, Weedus Bongus.
Ivan 01 said
03:18 PM Oct 29, 2022
Rob Driver wrote:
Hi Ivan,
Seein it is Satidy I spouse youll be out and about *skirt chasin and a hell raisin*
Off to church tomorra
Hi Rob,
chasin skirt, now ya talkin!
Craig1 said
07:05 PM Oct 29, 2022
A most successful marketing campaign by Spotlight and assorted lolly companies
Ivan 01 said
08:11 PM Oct 29, 2022
Craig1 wrote:
A most successful marketing campaign by Spotlight and assorted lolly companies
At least we are keeping Chinas economy on the up and up.
Gundog said
08:38 PM Oct 29, 2022
Both Halloween and the equally stupid Valentines day are crap.
Although the fun police shut down good old Guy Fawkes night which would be held on the 5th of November Bon Fires and Cracker were fun.
Ivan 01 said
08:59 PM Oct 29, 2022
The younger ones seem to be the main supporters.
I suppose Valentines Day is good for the florists and greeting card people.
When my dear wife was alive she would always enforce that we didnt need to spend money on such trivialities.
I guess it comes down to a promise for life actually meaning something and being honoured for the rest of our lives.
Whenarewethere said
09:49 PM Oct 29, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
Craig1 wrote:
A most successful marketing campaign by Spotlight and assorted lolly companies
At least we are keeping Chinas economy on the up and up.
Swings & roundabouts.
I once asked a shop in Manly, do they have any koalas or kangaroos not made in China. They did have one which was really well made & looked good so I bought it, it was expensive.
He added to the conversation that he gets great satisfaction selling Chinese made koalas at greatly inflated prices to tourists from China.
dorian said
05:57 AM Oct 30, 2022
This is why I avoid crowds.
At least 120 killed in Seoul Halloween incident (stampede):
Reports from our own police is that they dread our Halloween celebrations.
Any wonder I suppose given we have created.a situation where children and lollies are mixing with unknown adults in masked costumes and knocking on doors of who knows who is in the house and those children are expecting lollies.
Mmmm! Not an ideal situation for the safety of our kiddies.
Possum3 said
07:55 AM Oct 30, 2022
Ivan 01 wrote:
Reports from our own police is that they dread our Halloween celebrations.
Any wonder I suppose given we have created.a situation where children and lollies are mixing with unknown adults in masked costumes and knocking on doors of who knows who is in the house and those children are expecting lollies.
Mmmm! Not an ideal situation for the safety of our kiddies.
Totally agree - Not a thing in my childhood, although there was a Church service to remember those that had passed on.
There have been many instances of baited lollies/candy actually causing serious harm to children - what a joke? Not.
Does America celebrate any Australian holidays such as Australia day. If so bet it's not to the
financial extent we celebrate American Halloween. Next they will ask for a public holiday.
Possum3 said
06:04 PM Oct 30, 2022
All Hallows Eve is best described as a Christian holiday that falls on the day/night before All Saints Day.
The holiday was the result of a blending of the Celtic celebration of Samhain with the Christian church's All Saints Day.
The result was a new religious holiday that could be embraced by both groups. This type of mirroring of what the Church considered Pagan holidays and celebrations was the grand solution for bringing these cultures into the Church's fold.
Although All Hallows Eve is still observed as a church holiday, the modern non-religious version is known as Halloween.
NOT American.
Aussie1 said
09:54 PM Oct 30, 2022
Went well in Korea eh. Bugger.
Mein said
01:15 AM Oct 31, 2022
You guys are so funny!
Santa Claus, a.k.a. St Nicholas, a.k.a. Sinter Klass (from New Amsterdam now known as New York city), a.k.a. Father Christmas, was commercialized and internationalized by The Coca-Cola Company in 1931.
There is a credible report that Father Christmas first appeared in Australia at a Sydney Christmas pageant in 1933.
Ivan 01 said
09:39 AM Oct 31, 2022
I suppose Santas knee could be a dangerous position for a child but I would trust many Santas before I would allow a child to go out knocking on strangers doors in the hope of getting a *treat*. The world is a different place these days.
I am waiting for a *google story* now, of a depraved Santa.
Whenarewethere said
10:23 AM Oct 31, 2022
Some of those easter bunnies can be pretty dangerous.
I hear we are spending $430,000,000 dollars on this in Australia this year.
That is a bloody lot of money.
Could we invest in something more related to Australia or is it fun to spend that much on costumes novelties and lollies.
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Friday 28th of October 2022 08:07:41 PM
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Friday 28th of October 2022 08:08:07 PM
Its been commercialized by the Yanks but they didn't invent it.
We enjoy giving the kids lollies (not candy) if they turn up at our door.
There's so many negative events occurring these days, brightening up a few kids lives for a few minutes is a feel good experience all around.
Agree Halloween is an Americanisation of an ancient festival, but it brings joy to children in our suburb, and joy to Margaret in setting up the front veranda/door display.
The 40 or 50 kids that knock on the door to get their bags of goodies etc will probably remember their Halloween visits in their old age.
-- Edited by PeterInSa on Saturday 29th of October 2022 11:08:52 AM
We don't agree with it, but due to politics in our block or units, just when along with in. The next years it didn't happen.
At least we didn't create landfill, just used what we had at hand. Also wound up the hi-fi with thunder & lighting sound track.
The kids were a bit nervous. A small boy from another Unit was very nervous. I did then briefly lift the sunglasses. Then he know who it was & was clearly relieved.
Other half did actually have a toe nail problem so the bandage was good timing.
Thank you for your informative notes on Halloween. Most of it was new to me. Like Ivan, I object to the American commercialization of what was originally a Christian(?) celebration, as with Mothers' Day and Fathers' Day. Where did Fathers' Day come from?
Cheers,
Roy.
Chamaedorea seifrizii
One year the young five year old boy across the road from us came to our door with his mum.
He was dressed as a mummy, totally wrapped in toilet roll with lipstick as fake blood around his mouth.
His mum told us that when she'd finished wrapping him up, she took him to a full length mirror to see himself.
When he saw his reflection he scared the living crap out of himself.
We gave him an extra few lollies for being brave
During my youth I had seen reference to Halloween in American comics (this was the beginning)and probably a bit later on television.
The event was never celebrated in my community and never really mentioned or to be honest, even thought of.
My children grew up knowing (I guess) about Halloween but once again their generation did not participate or if some did it could have been rated in our community as a non event.
We have adopted so much unnecessary nonsense (my opinion) from the Good Ole U.S of A.
Lets all wear our hats backward and have our trousers down around our lower hips. It must be the correct way to dress.
I was at my daughters house one day when she had some younger mums visit from school. During conversation one of the *helicopter parents* referred to her child starting high school as *getting ready for middle school*
Well that was enough to make me get my car and van and *cross state lines*
My original post was more about the stated 430 million dollars we will reportedly spend on the event that is not even ours.
If a parent can fork out that kind of money on costumes lollies and toys then maybe all the Big Australians can withdraw their sponsorship and support for little Johnny or little Mary on the court or the pitch.
Halloween is Americanism at its very worse in this country but I agree that young kiddies do enjoy it.
Most of us love a bag of lollies.
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Saturday 29th of October 2022 01:43:05 PM
Looks a bit like the not so rare, Weedus Bongus.
Actually those notes from 86GTS suggest it originated as a pagan Celtic new year celebration (Samhain), later 're-purposed' by Christians, as many pagan rituals & observances were.
https://historycollection.com/10-christian-holidays-beliefs-steeped-pagan-traditions/
In the UK (especially) pagan rituals & festivals have made a comeback, especially among the old hippies & alternative lifestylers, of recent decades. Many quaint village celebrations also trace their origins back to pagan times, even if some of the meaning has been lost, whilst continuing to be repeated. In primary school we were taught Maypole Dancing - today seen primarily as 'folk dancing', but originally a Pagan fertility ritual. All these rituals aid 'belonging' & 'sense of place'.
Sadly Halloween does indeed seem to have become very 'Americanised & commercially influenced over the course my lifetime . It's not something my wife & I have ever celebrated, nor even taken a lot of notice of.
Hi Ivan,
Seein it is Satidy I spouse youll be out and about *skirt chasin and a hell raisin*
Off to church tomorra
Hi Rob,
chasin skirt, now ya talkin!
At least we are keeping Chinas economy on the up and up.
Both Halloween and the equally stupid Valentines day are crap.
Although the fun police shut down good old Guy Fawkes night which would be held on the 5th of November Bon Fires and Cracker were fun.
I suppose Valentines Day is good for the florists and greeting card people.
When my dear wife was alive she would always enforce that we didnt need to spend money on such trivialities.
I guess it comes down to a promise for life actually meaning something and being honoured for the rest of our lives.
Swings & roundabouts.
I once asked a shop in Manly, do they have any koalas or kangaroos not made in China. They did have one which was really well made & looked good so I bought it, it was expensive.
He added to the conversation that he gets great satisfaction selling Chinese made koalas at greatly inflated prices to tourists from China.
This is why I avoid crowds.
At least 120 killed in Seoul Halloween incident (stampede):
https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/seoul-south-korea-halloween-deaths/index.html
Any wonder I suppose given we have created.a situation where children and lollies are mixing with unknown adults in masked costumes and knocking on doors of who knows who is in the house and those children are expecting lollies.
Mmmm! Not an ideal situation for the safety of our kiddies.
Totally agree - Not a thing in my childhood, although there was a Church service to remember those that had passed on.
There have been many instances of baited lollies/candy actually causing serious harm to children - what a joke? Not.
146 in Seoul
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-30/halloween-crowd-surge-in-seoul-kills-dozens/101594394
financial extent we celebrate American Halloween. Next they will ask for a public holiday.
The holiday was the result of a blending of the Celtic celebration of Samhain with the Christian church's All Saints Day.
The result was a new religious holiday that could be embraced by both groups. This type of mirroring of what the Church considered Pagan holidays and celebrations was the grand solution for bringing these cultures into the Church's fold.
Although All Hallows Eve is still observed as a church holiday, the modern non-religious version is known as Halloween.
NOT American.
You guys are so funny!
Santa Claus, a.k.a. St Nicholas, a.k.a. Sinter Klass (from New Amsterdam now known as New York city), a.k.a. Father Christmas, was commercialized and internationalized by The Coca-Cola Company in 1931.
There is a credible report that Father Christmas first appeared in Australia at a Sydney Christmas pageant in 1933.
I suppose Santas knee could be a dangerous position for a child but I would trust many Santas before I would allow a child to go out knocking on strangers doors in the hope of getting a *treat*.
The world is a different place these days.
I am waiting for a *google story* now, of a depraved Santa.
Some of those easter bunnies can be pretty dangerous.